Occupy Wall Street: Not on major media but worth watching!

[DiscoBiscuit]

Sure we can address one thing w/o the other. Multiple Tea Party rallies protesting gov't spending never addressed systemic risk. Abortion clinic protesters never address the fact that +97% of women who use their services never get an abortion. These clinics are the only ob/gyn they ever see w/o health insurance and a private clinic. Does a female abortion clinic protester never get a pelvic exam? They know what's happening but they only look at what they want to see.

If the WS protesters followed the Tea Party or abortion clinic protester model, they'd be blocking entrances and cursing Wall Street employees as they pass, trying to go to work.

This protest is peaceful. Their reasons are as bonafide as any protest in America. Me thinks you exercise double standard.

You're argument has one side to blame. The folks refusing to consider $1 of revenues for $10 in spending cuts. And Grover Norquist has the entire cast of would-be presidents raising their hands in solidarity.

You'll get your spending cuts and you'll raise hell when your Social Security and Medicare are affected. You might raise hell about revenue increases (and you have to say stuff like 5% to make it look severe, lol.) These people have more money than ever and we're talking about a 4% rate increase for christ sakes.

 

[In~Plain~Site]

Where did I throw my weight behind the Tea Party, or what's being proposed as compromise in Congress?

I said I thought it fair to have some taxes raised and accountability for spending.It you want to presuppose where my position lies in between, be my guest.

I still think their current path is tantamount to blowing down a barrel to stop a bullet.

But hey, as long as the Star Bucks is nearby, the day is not a total loss.

I'm sure it will all be somebody else's fault for the woes of the world,regardless of outcomes...country full of victims.

Where do you place blame for complacency?

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Where did I throw my weight behind the Tea Party, or what's being proposed as compromise in Congress?

Who knows. I made an comparison, not an association. I mention retirement benefits and you make like they're active lepers.

I said I thought it fair to have some taxes raised and accountability for spending.It you want to presuppose where my position lies in between, be my guest.

I make comparison of two most recent protests. 'Accountability for spending' is the same as 'spending cuts' (because we can't tax our way out of this problem) and that's where you come in. I mentioned your retirement benefits and the fact you may be disenchanted because of accountability in spending... due to the folks who refuse to raise revenues. Hell, they want to make offsets mandatory for disaster relief. Here's to hoping your weather isn't angry.

And it's nice to know you're for revenue increases.

I still think their current path is tantamount to blowing down a barrel to stop a bullet.

I agree. It ain't no Nile river and it damn sure didn't start with lake Victoria lol. It's a rather motley looking crew in some respects, they way they beat their drums and all. Come to think of it, they could don Colonial military garb and look pretty close to the Tea Party. Maybe they could call themselves the Tween Party and the two could have wrestling matches outside the stock exchange.

But hey, as long as the Star Bucks is nearby, the day is not a total loss.

Don't forget the whip cream, that shit is awesome.

I'm sure it will all be somebody else's fault for the woes of the world,regardless of outcomes...country full of victims.

Hey, the Tea Party is victimized by deficit spending.

Where do you place blame for complacency?

I'd use the word apathy and your comment of fault and victims is pretty close. I don't 'blame' you though. That would be an anti-social reaction. Even though I don't always agree with different perspectives, they exist and I have to live alongside them.

So we have this thing called democracy and the majority often steers policy.

This particular thread is about protest over a demographic of less than 0.01% of the country, responsible for crippling the global economy. All other earthly ails may have to be addressed respectively.

 

[Sgt.Stedenko]

Charles and David Koch have personally contributed over $100 million to right wing causes since the 1970s. Their father did the same in his lifetime. ALEC et al channel even more money into campaigns. Doesn't matter if there's limits to contributions. The rest of the money is used to fund Willy Horton ads and further corrupt the process.

Your boogeymen are only #82 on the 1989 to present top political donor list.
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php
I guess with your rose colored glasses all the blue donkeys on the top of the list look like red elephants.

Shhhh. No need to mention 6 of the top 10 political donors are unions who support dems.

You got a source for that $100M figure, or is that conjecture from your heros at PMSNBC?

 

[one Q]

my only issue is there are no clear goals. Just upset people collecting. I watched a ton of vids the other night, and just basically saw a crap load of youth yelling.

Now that there are Airplane Pilots, Unions, and other "important" and "professional" people involved, I expect for the coverage to become more broad. But still I ask,

What Is The Goal?

In my opinion, if there is no public to control and/or shaft, then "They" have no power. So why not commit Mass Suicide? Imagine, if 90-100% of the US population just unilaterally shot themselves in the head. WHos gonna fill the pockets of Wall St THEN?

I have alot of other thoughts that may or may not be useful. I just cant post them all on the internet and expect to be around much longer.

Having said that, just think about what they did to ALL of the worlds great LEADERS! Dr King, Malcom, JFK, the guys who built the engine that runs on WATER... Keep that in mind when this thing starts to form into an organized unit with structure.

 

[Sgt.Stedenko]

Why would I give my old lady more 'shopping' money when she's already shown she has no fiscal responsibility?

I'm all for fair share, but I want the spending of my money to be closely watched.It has not been.

For Christs sake, that 500,000,000 loan for Solyndra was endorsed/touted by Obama himself.Half a billion dollars...one pet company.

That shit has to stop, along with all this war spending...National Defense,my ass.

We need to look more closely at just who exactly are the recipients of these grab-fests, on both sides,and make them accountable.

You mean like Pelosi's brother in law getting a $737M fed loan for green energy?
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/09/30/...7-million-federal-loan-for-green-energy-firm/

 

[Sgt.Stedenko]

These protestors would get lost on their way to the bathroom.
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/10/01/...to-march-on-nypd-headquarters-crowd-get-lost/

 

[Sgt.Stedenko]

CRA was signed into law in the 70s. Government never forced lenders to lend to anybody. Government gave incentives to lend to minorities that could actually pay the loans they borrowed. Lenders invest due diligence to know who can and can't pay off loans. They didn't have to do their job when they packaged up bogus loans and sold em to somebody else. You really need some history on all this. There aren't enough people to tank the world w/o institutionalized lending fraud.

Perhaps you forgot about Janet Reno threatening prosecution of banks for not lending to deadbeats?

Selective memory is great when it suits your argument.

The CRA was the beginning of the current financial meltdown. Thanks Barney Frank, Maxine Waters and Chris Dodd. You guys rock!

For those interested, here's a summary of the CRA.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/what_really_happened_in_the_mo.html

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Oh my god, soundbite #2. I can sidestep a dog pile. But when the whole yard is 3 feet deep in shit, I just have to walk through it like everybody else.

 

[bentom187]

i wouldnt be so fast to jump on the protest bandwagon ,seeing how now its fine to assasinate our own citizens without due proccess, with a little fear mongering and propaganda,even timmy mcveigh got a trial and he actually killed people,so if your a buisness guy and you have no permanent residence but are still a US citizen and you talk bad about the US to other nations congrats you made it onto the hit list.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh9ZrJEHXEQ

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

i wouldnt be so fast to jump on the protest bandwagon ,seeing how now its fine to assasinate our own citizens without due proccess,

Hand me one of them mustard biscuits...

Uh... it's a protest, not a celebration.

with a little fear mongering and propaganda,even timmy mcveigh got a trial and he actually killed people,

Yeah, life was different then. Now, we have an entire party politic that refuses to close Guantanamo, refuses civilian trials in public court and instead releases 20 so-called enemy combatants for every one it runs through military tribunal.

so if your a buisness guy and you have no permanent residence but are still a US citizen and you talk bad about the US to other nations congrats you made it onto the hit list.

That's got to be one of the most divisive comments I've read at IC. Do you realize what you're saying, that a guy got killed because he's a capitalist?

Ron's really blown his gourd this time. Oh yeah, that and an illegal immigrant fence keeping us contained. Like we're all up for strolls across the Mexican border. The guy's gotta be off his rocker.

 

[bentom187]

it's a protest, not a celebration.

thats what i stated,thanks.

Yeah, life was different then. Now, we have an entire party politic that refuses to close Guantanamo, refuses civilian trials in public court and instead releases 20 so-called enemy combatants for every one it runs through military tribunal.

yup sure is,but is it right and should we continue oppressing people ?

"That's got to be one of the most divisive comments I've read at IC. Do you realize what you're saying, that a guy got killed because he's a capitalist?"

no he got killed because he excersized his 1st amendment rights and happen to be in yemen at the time.

how is it devisive to state fact? you may not like the facts but its better than a lie.

"Ron's really blown his gourd this time. Oh yeah, that and an illegal immigrant fence keeping us contained. Like we're all up for strolls across the Mexican border. The guy's gotta be off his rocker. "

dude its a common practice in the military to obey murphy's law -eliminate all ways in and youve simultainiously elimated all ways out.

not to mention this is another bridge to no where deal in the making, why would they put national guard troops on the border but not give them permission to shoot even though they are being fired on by cartels ? all they can do is call for border patrol wich is streched beyond its means.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO2RujOK43I


"go back to bed america" - bill hicks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR3KwODDzeY

 

[mrcreosote]

I just hope the Govt. gives me the opportunity to pay more taxes because I know they will take care of me because they love me and will spend the money wisely.

Really!

No kidding. These guys are geniuses and can fix anything.
Whats all the complaining about?
C'mon guys... Some of them even went to Harvard.

 

[InJoy]

Just a bunch of hipsters that need showers???

How bout some Marines in dress blues

http://www.in5d.com/occupy-wall-street-the-marines-are-coming-to-protect-the-protestors.html

 

[bentom187]

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[DiscoBiscuit]

Here's informative background on the drone strike victims and how we're handling terrorism today because we allowed leaders to scare us after 9/11. Had these two actually orchestrated or even motivated a domestic attack, the same person being vilified today would be crucified instead.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1..._n_990394.html

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I just hope the Govt. gives me the opportunity to pay more taxes because I know they will take care of me because they love me and will spend the money wisely.

Really!

No kidding. These guys are geniuses and can fix anything.
Whats all the complaining about?
C'mon guys... Some of them even went to Harvard.

Apparently you didn't. Lowest revenues since the 1950s... biggest income disparity since the 1920s...

Keep thinking the top cares whether you wither on the vine. You'd think folks would see today what's been happening the last 3 decades.

 

[SpasticGramps]

The system is busting at her seams with failure, it's not one-sided and quite frankly upsetting to see all the blame being placed as such,at times.

I feel your pain.

Well, to be honest, I take exception to what I perceive as an attack on high wager earners, as if they're the only ones to blame.That's a personal position.

I feel your pain again. What is misrepresented or misunderstood in the Occupy Wall Street movement, IMO, is that this is the 99.9 vs the .01. Not 95 vs 5%. The disparity between the two is critical IMO. It's the difference between targeting the kleptocracy that runs the country and the honest high wage hard workers is an important distinction. We can talk about taxing this and that all we what, but the truth remains that this only hurts the honest economy. Those with klepocractic ties and quid pro quo's fear not the increased regulation and taxes, but thrive on it. It's not high wage people. We are letting banks rule the world and control issuance of our currency. We will be slaves and live in a state of perpetual war until this practice stops.

The Unions seem to be moving in on this and just as the grass roots freedom message of the Tea Party was subverted by the Neo-Cons. I unfortunaltely see this grassroots movement (which shares the same core views of what the problem is) being subverted by the Neo-Liberal establishment.

“The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.”
― Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

I hope not, but I fear we are too easily swayed by the establishment, but perhaps not. It's what happens at a inflection point.

EDIT: I support the philosophic institution of unions. Their current manifestation today supports the corporate establishment IMO. Hence my concern. It's all corrupted IMO.

 

[SpasticGramps]

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