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[paulo73]

Oh yes!

Oh yes!

Diabetes is deadly and high-fructose corn syrup is possibly the biggest dietary contributor.

There are dozens of medical conditions related with the abuse of refined sugars and here´s a little teaser for some of you
Death by Soda?
http://www.alternet.org/story/45498/

I rather smoke a pack of any brand per day and having a balanced diet than not smoking and feed myself shit every day.
Of course that ideally i would not smoke, do exercise and have a healthy diet...working on that
DB bring on those pics when the kit arrives

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

What, you don't want a redneck video instead?

 

[HempHut]

Starting smoking is a bad idea.

If you do smoke and want to either quit or try a healthier delivery method look at an e-cig.

I smoked for 24 years, so I'm not going to beat anyone over the head about it, but I quit using an e-cig and it was easier than I ever imagined it could be. I quit cigarettes the day I got it, quit nicotine about a year after that and then quit the e-cig completely about 6 months after that. Three years without cigarettes, 2 years without nicotine and a year and a half without the e-cig now.

Here's probably the best forum for anyone looking for information:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/

 

[paulo73]

Not really

Not really

What, you don't want a redneck video instead?

I fail to see the funny charm of rednecks

 

[FreezerBoy]

while rolling your own saves cash . you end up smoking more. since rolling my own i am smoking more.i have several rolling machines none are electric tho. top makes a nice heavy duty chrome one and swift has a lightweight plastic one.when all is said and done its about 12 dollars a carton

My injector cut my smoking by over 50%. Cut my monthly spending 86%, from $202.50 to $27. Course, for all I know I'm smoking double the nicotine, no nic stats on the bag...

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

It's hard to have true win/win with cigarettes until I quit. Until then, I'm hoping to smoke less. Saving money beats the hell outta Marlboro Miles. My buddy wears a Marlboro jacket like his prize possession. Kinda sad.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I fail to see the funny charm of rednecks

Just kidding. Was a little surprised you mentioned pics.

 

[mrcreosote]

FreezerBoy,

Yup, same here. I smoke less too and perversely, enjoy it more. I'm getting into more tasty tobacco with blends rather than just 'utility' smoking.
I would bet you get less nicotine as small tobacco producers don't juice their product with additional nicotine like RJ Reynolds and the like do to cigarettes.
You certainly aren't getting the anti-burn chemicals they add as a firestop and what they add to burn faster while smoked.

I'm learning that pipe smokers are as fanatical about their 'strains' and blends as weed smokers are about theirs. Tobacconists cater to this connoisseur market with types from around the world.

If your gonna smoke, you might as well make it tasty and fun to explore new stuff.

As for the preachers...

Cauliflower causes colon cancer...Enjoy.

 

[headiez247]

I rather smoke a pack of any brand per day and having a balanced diet than not smoking and feed myself shit every day.

wow...

 

[walt cunningham]

haven't they found e-cigs to be pretty bad for you as well?

 

[walt cunningham]

so basically you are saying that you
1) are easily manipulated by basic marketing principles
2) you are possibly one of the dumbest people in the world for 'taking up' cig smoking
3) like the typical smoker, you try to justify it by saying that the brand you smoke is the 'healthiest' and that other brands are 'much worse'.

You are a genius.



ya man. i don't get why they focus on the hundreds of thousands that die yearly from cigs instead of the 0 that die from drinking soda. I hope you are under 18, that would be the only justification for you writing something as idiotic as you did.

why do you come here and post? are you lonely, or what? i am trying to save people a few bucks, thats all. if you want to analyze me based on what i type, you need a life dude.

 

[HempHut]

haven't they found e-cigs to be pretty bad for you as well?

No.

There was a study sponsored by the FDA that showed one sample contained tobacco specific nitrosamines and diethylene glycol -- that was checking one sample from one manufacturer.

They can contain tobacco specific nitrosamines if the nicotine used in the fluid is extracted from tobacco (most is, but not all) -- what they didn't say is that all nicotine replacement therapies also contain them (i.e. patch, gum, etc.) and that the concentrations are far less than from actually smoking tobacco.

The diethylene glycol they found in that one sample shouldn't have been in there and was due to a less than reputable manufacturer trying to cut costs. If you buy from a reputable reseller/manufacturer you will not encounter it -- most reputable places have lab analysis done and make the results available to the public.

Basically, in using an e-cig you are cutting out all combustion related harms as well as any additives the commercial cigarette companies add -- you're literally dropping out thousands of chemicals from the ingestion path. The big ones in terms of known harms -- tar and CO2 -- are completely eliminated.

There's a lot of bad info. going around about e-cigs because they threaten big tobacco, big pharma (they make huge coin off of nicotine replacement therapies) as well as governmental agencies who reap big coin from the "sin tax" on tobacco -- which doesn't exist on e-cigs. Thus, agencies like the FDA went after them big time with misinformation and scare mongering -- the FDA lost in court at least once.

The best evidence and reasoning suggests that they are orders of magnitude safer than cigarettes, but one cannot say they are completely safe as there's just not enough research or evidence to make such a claim.

They also provide a good path to quit nicotine and "the inhaling habit" if that's your desire as well -- they certainly did for me and I only intended to get off cigarettes. The only thing I inhale for recreation now is cannabis smoke/vapour.

 

[paulo73]

That excited ?!

That excited ?!

wow...

I don´t smoke ciggies btw , i am just one of those crazy Europeans that mixes the Evil Weed, !?where have i read this one in the past!?, with the Sacred One.
When you compare the thousands of deaths related with smoking baccy to the 0 deaths due to wrong dietary habits you say a lot about yourself and i am afraid are not all good things.
You better start reading a few things about the impact of what we eat in what we are
Your WOW so early in the morning made me go all warm and fuzzy inside, i´m smoking a pure one, not my usual, in honor to you because i believe that you really care for us all and if your opinions differ from mine that is just because we don´t share the same shoes.
One Love Many Hearts

 

[Max Headroom]

wow, a lot of hate towards tobacco.

and saying that nicotine is a deadly poison is just plain bull.

i think smoking has been made a scapegoat/catch-all for a lot of different health problems.
i mean, they say smoking is deady, but what about all the car exhaust, pollution from factories, radiation in the environment from thousands of nuclear tests, etc...? nope, if you get lung cancer it HAS TO BE from smoking.

sure, all the hundreds of chemicals that are added to commercial cigarettes are sure poisonous/addictive, but plain tobacco without any additives is far less dangerous that it's made out to be. in fact smoking has many health benefits as well.

After 40 years of scientific research on the effects of nicotine, researchers now say that they have sound scientific proof that smoking and nicotine have a significant positive effect on human brain performance.

The brain works better when it gets nicotine - almost like an optimized computer. Nicotine is a "work-drug" that enables its consumers to focus better and think faster. The brain also becomes more enduring, especially in smokers: Nicotine experiments show that smokers in prolonged working situations are able to maintain concentration for many hours longer than non-smokers.
[...]
Generally nicotine boosts the brain to work 10-30% more efficiently in a number of areas.

from: http://dengulenegl.dk/English/Nicotine.html

not to mention its antibacterial/antiviral properties.

i wonder why so many people see through the propaganda we're being fed about weed but think that they are being told the absolute truth about tobacco?

we are being fed with known poisons like aspartame, MSG or genetically engineered food, without much of an argument from governments. why on earth would they have our best interest at heart when it comes to smoking?
just a thought.

 

[FreezerBoy]

I would bet you get less nicotine as small tobacco producers don't juice their product with additional nicotine like RJ Reynolds and the like do to cigarettes.
You certainly aren't getting the anti-burn chemicals they add as a firestop and what they add to burn faster while smoked.

Quite possible, I just don't have any numbers.

Cig makers are always pumping something in there. I was a Viceroy smoker until they got caught developing a strain of tobacco 10x more addicting than normal. They claimed it was merely scientific curiosity and not planned for release. They already have us hooked. I was so incensed they would even think of such a thing that I switched to Marlboros that day.

My theory is the cig makers treat the tobacco with chemicals that go directly to the pleasure receptors of the brain, the same ones that are triggered by LSD, chocolate and sex. As a result, you pop cigs like candy for reasons that have nothing to do with tobacco. I smoke a Marlboro, I want a cigarette. I smoke half a home made, I'm done, I put it out.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Winchester smokes were banned in the 70s. They were cheap knock offs of spaghetti-western cigars. Turns out it was cigarette processed tobacco wrapped in leaves. I guess smoking cigs is far more addictive than cigars. My ex bro in-law's dad was a tobacco lobbyist. My seeter must have been an idiot for marrying his spawn.

Anybody try the smokeless cigs that came out around 2003 or 2004? That was some nasty stuff.

 

[Sgt.Stedenko]

I hate paying the prices, but I'm addicted. Non smokers...you're welcome.

It's lovely the govt makes money on cigs and death but refuses to allow cannabis and life.

 

[greenmatter]

I hate paying the prices, but I'm addicted. Non smokers...you're welcome.

It's lovely the govt makes money on cigs and death but refuses to allow cannabis and life.

if every one of us tobacco addicts could put them down and stop the govt would shit themselves!!!!! anyone out there have any solid numbers on how many tax dollars we donate while we poison ourselves? my guess would be at least a ten digit number.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

state cig tax data

http://www.tobaccofreekids.org/research/factsheets/pdf/0099.pdf

federal cig tax data

http://www.ttb.gov/main_pages/schip-summary.shtml


notice the federal cig tax is $10.06 per carton

pipe tobacco tax is less than $3 per pound

I was surprised to read that smokers fund health programs not associated with smokers. S CHIP for example makes up budgetary deficits with tobacco tax revenue. This is disproportionately levied on cig smokers more than other tobacco products. I guess heart and lung disease cost society more than mouth and throat cancers.

cancer.gov says the average cig has less than a gram of tobacco. Let's just round that to a gram each and compare apples to apples

carton of nails - 1 x 20 x 10 = 200 gr.

1 lb pipe tobacco = ~454 grams

Takes roughly 2.25 cartons to equal 1 lb of tobacco. So that's the same ~$2.85 tax for a pound of pipe tobacco vs ~$22.50 cig tax.


If the math is approximate, cig smokers get hit w/ sin taxes 8:1 over pipe smokers.

 

[greenmatter]

smokers pay $16.5 billion dollars in taxes a year? well now we know why tobacco is still legal............. and i still can't quit