Coco newbie lookin for some advice

[Scrogerman]

Substra, it hasnt been called that for a few years. is it out of date? i wouldnt use out of date stuff myself(not years out anyway) Its called Canna Hydro these days i believe(know!). ill be interested to see how you get on with it in Coco, doable with the right adjustment.

@75% off retail, id guess its pretty ancient stuff. what are canna's a+b, around £12 for 2 ltrs(a+b), its cheap enough imo.

 

[soaring]

It's actually Canna classic flores a and b.

I just try to keep my ec in range and it all looks great.

 

[Scrogerman]

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[Incognegro]

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[Scrogerman]

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[dansbuds]

sorry for the off topic Dan/Snow n Gang! great info in this thread, keep it coming guys!

no worries dude .... your just tryin to help & thats a good thing

 

[Incognegro]

This is worth remembering.... Canna A/B used completely by itself produces healthy plants and nice buds.

I second this!

I used pk13/14 via directions...didn't see a difference...but then again, new strains vs before, AND new location.

but Canna A/B will get you great results by themselves...but in my personal experience, you MUST do as the bottle says and use TAP WATER. I tried a couple weeks with RO....lol, let's just say I NEVER will again...thankfully they bounced back in a couple weeks... my avy pic is from using Canna A/B and nothing else but tap water!

One day I may do a side by side and add the amendments to the Coco, like the Boost, rootstuff and all that...one day...maybe next grow actually..lol

 

[dansbuds]

its been a month sense i started this post and i want to thank you again snowcrash and show you a few pics of the plants that have been taken care of with your advice. tthese girls have shown no signs of probs so far and i doubt they ever will if i keep to your recomondations.

the first set of pic is my indica bushes ...i have 9 in 1 gallon hempy buckets with perilite to the runoff hole and straight canna coco to the tops.they are the healthiest plants i've had in awhile.they are 3 weeks into veg and go into the flower room next week .

these next pics are of 2 silver haze that are in 2 gallon hempys 3 weeks into flowering ..... same thing ...... perfectly healthy .

snowcrash i can't thank you enough for guiding me in the right direction with coco.i learned a shitton of information from you and i'm very greatfull if theres anything you need brother .... just ask ..thanx again man ..


on a side note ...... i can't put my net over them till i put them into flowering cuz i veg in another cabinet . so that pic of the girls only 3 weeks time in the room and look at the growth rate in 3 weeks . holy shit right ?

 

[Snow Crash]

Looking great dude.
Watch your temps and make sure to keep them under 77, and over 70, for the best results. It looks like you're creeping up with the EC a little and you might just be on the verge of seeing some issues on your flowering plant giving the time of life.

Try to get a little less N/Ca and a little more P/K/Mg/Su in your next solution, then water it down to half strength and get a good amount of runoff. As you increase the EC of the solution the frequent and copious 1/2 strength rinsings will eliminate the chance that Potassium or Magnesium becomes unavailable now that the media has a complete calcium buffer.

Other than those little hints I can't think of what else you might need. Keep em coming.

 

[dansbuds]

Watch your temps and make sure to keep them under 77, and over 70, for the best results.

temps are good at 80 with lights on and 70 with them off .

It looks like you're creeping up with the EC a little and you might just be on the verge of seeing some issues on your flowering plant giving the time of life.

no , feedings have been kinda low or about where they should be . i'll put up a feed schedule later.

Try to get a little less N/Ca and a little more P/K/Mg/Su in your next solution, then water it down to half strength and get a good amount of runoff. As you increase the EC of the solution the frequent and copious 1/2 strength rinsings will eliminate the chance that Potassium or Magnesium becomes unavailable now that the media has a complete calcium buffer.

they got a transition dose when put into flower then a week later is when i started a low flowering feed schedule.i'll post my feed schedule later cuz my keyboard shit the bed and i'm using the on screen one .......what a PIA!!
i'll get back to ya with mote details soon .

 

[Jalisco Kid]

I could edit my above post but it got a little wordy and I wanted to talk about foliar spraying apart from all that.

When I began growing I didn't understand how to foliar. It took some time and this is what I have learned.

Always foliar feed just as the lights come on. The plant is waking up and taking in moisture. In nature, during the early morning the plant would be covered with a fine dew and over a few million years plants have grown to utilize the mist and the dew as a source of moisture. You are trying to exploit this natural process by including some of the food the plant will need, practically injecting it right to the site it is required at.

Water droplets can cause a prism effect focusing the light like a magnifying glass and burning small holes into the leaves. To avoid this issue you want to include a surfactant in the foliar solution, like a drop of Ivory dish soap, or something like CocoWet or Wet Betty, SM-90, and many others. Surfactants reduce the surface tension of the water. This means smaller droplets, or an even "sheet" of water over the leaf, rather than points of focused light. I find that 5 minutes or so after foliar feeding all the moisture is either absorbed or evaporated, depending on the Relative Humidity and temperature of course.

The parts of the plant that will be able to bring in the foliar spray are located on the underside of the leaves. To reduce waste and the risk of mold it is best to focus your foliar spray on the underside of your fan leaves. This also helps keep the amount of water which could form damaging droplets off the top of the leaves that face the intense light.

Always follow up a nutrient solution foliar spray with a "pure water" foliar spray (by pure water I will still usually add in a touch of fulvic acid for the pH drop). Salts can build up on the leaves which will clog stomata (the respiration system of your plants) so to help avoid this issue you'll want to use just some clean water (sometimes I'll turn the lights down around mid-day of a foliar and do my clean water the same day to reduce the potential of clogs). I really only have this problem when pushing a lot of Epsom Salt without Fulvic Acid. The Fulvic Acids seem to have reduced this issue to the point that I don't even really worry about it anymore.

My own foliar sprays may contain (depending on time of life or illness):
A cold pressed kelp extract
Epsom Salt
Uncle John's Blend or Snow Storm Ultra
Liquid Karma
Liquid Light Gold
BioBoost Accelerator
FlavorFul Fulvic Acid
Potassium Silicates
Ivory dish soap

I usually stick with Liquid Karma, Pro-Tekt, Fulvic Acid, Epsom Salt, and a drop of soap for veg. I add the resin enhancers and Liquid Light Gold for flowering. I'll foliar maybe 2x per week with nutrients, and 2x per week with water. Sometimes I'll mix in a Epsom Salt foliar (pretty much ES, Fulvic, Surfactant) the moment I see my leaf "meat" going yellow on me. Helps a ton to stop that issue for a day until the media gets the cation imbalance worked out.

I used to speak out against foliar feeding. Now I really like it. Especially for combating illnesses like Magnesium and Potassium deficiency.

Droplets,mist do not burn leafs it is a myth. Spray a leaf right next to a 1000w and check it out. JK

 

[down2grow]

Snow crash,

I got free samples of big bud liquid from the shop the other day. How much ml per gallon would it take to get to your suggested p level? I'm uncertain if I should even add anymore p after reading the "low p" thread because I'm using maxibloom as my base nutrient, which is already a little high in p. At 1.0-1.2ec of maxi I'm already getting a tiny bit of tip burn. On hand the booster products I have are pkb, liquid big bud, b'cuzz bloom stimulator(more of a kelp product), top booster & bud xl. Right I'm suplementing my base with 15ml fulpower( fulvics), 1-2 ml protekt, 2ml sm90 til it runs out & .4ml drip clean. Day 8 of 12/12 at the moment. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
d2g

 

[down2grow]

Oops.. "high p" thread. Duh!!!

 

[dansbuds]

Hey snowcrash how ya been brother ? qiuck question for ya .
I'm at the 37 day mark on my SSH , i didn't get the canna boost cuz i switched to the cns17 but mainly cuz i'm broke .

right now for these 2 girls @ 37 days , i'm running
ripe @ 25 ml .... last feed had 15 ml of bloom 10ml of ripe
calmag @ 2ml
epsom mix 100ml per liter @3 ml
LKB @ 2ml
hydroplex @2 ml
& silica @ 3ml

nows when you recommend to up the P & K (canna boost )
on another thread you say to up the hydroplex to 6ml instead of using cannaboost is that what i should do here ?
up the hydroplex to 6ml
up the LKB to 6ml
or add 1/4 tsp per gallon of powdered KB ???

thanx Dude , i'm leaning towards uppin the hydroplex .

heres that quote from another forum ....

PK 13/14 is a very simple solution of water and potassium phosphate. They don't list anything else, but we cannot be certain that is all it contains. I would think 1 year is about the shelf life after opening, but I cannot be certain. I have a liter bottle I've used maybe 50ml out of that has to be at least that old... I need to toss it...
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The proper time to use the stuff is between days 36 and 45 of flowering on a 60 day strain. This is a critical formative period where the plant is still in flowering. Adding the PK during this time stimulates that kind of stacking of flowers and will help the plant stay in flowering stage for a few extra days before switching into swelling and ripening. Since I have the Hydroplex around I just run more of that during this stage, like 6ml/gallon, to get the phosphorus boost I am after.

 

[IwannatokeNbone]

it looks to me that cns-17 has plants looking pretty healthy, the lowered P is unique as most blooms have a much higher one.

 

[dansbuds]

Hey snow hope your doing ok ... i did up the hydroplex to 6ml per for the last 2 weeks now i'm gonna start the flush ... any recomondations about what to use with the flush ? like a clearex or something maybe some enzymes cuz i'll probably reuse it eventually . water will be half tap & half RO as usual PHed to 5.8 ppms about 114 @.7

well here they are at 54 days .... will bring to 70 at least . the hydroplex showed very little burn & did plump things up abit so i doubt i went to high for these ladies . i still say these have been the healthiest plants so far in this cabinet .... beats the fuck outa promix

on with the pics & thanx again dude for your knowledge

its weird ..... i got a few foxtails on 1 branch only.

 

[Capt Cannabis]

This thread is packed with a ton of great information, I just started looking into coco and this thread is a great place to start. Thanks very much for all of your posts.

The Captain

 

[Mr Apricot]

bookmarked

 

[Caravaggio]

hey Dan whats the nute of choice you have ended up deciding on sticking with?

 

[dansbuds]

Wow ... this thread is old !!! lol

to answer your question ... i'm using the full line of canna coco minus the boost . A&B & rhizo for veg ... A & B & cannazyme for transition & flower .... PK13/14 at week 6 for the PK boost ..... its been working great !!!!

heres a headband that went into flower last night ... nice & healthy !!!!