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First Fully Adjustable Titanium Nail

AquaLabTech

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OrganicOzarks

What are the long term side effects from using titanium? Glass has no long term effects. I know it does not retain heat as well, but it will give you piece of mind.
 
huligun

huligun

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OrganicOzarks said:
So is there a double blind study somewhere that I am missing? One that specifically tests the safety of titanium for smoking purposes? Because non-stick pans are sold in stores, but there is no way in hell I would ever use one. :)
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You should do a little more research of your own before you ask questions. Do you know what inert means?
 
Hashmasta-Kut

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OrganicOzarks said:
So is there a double blind study somewhere that I am missing? One that specifically tests the safety of titanium for smoking purposes? Because non-stick pans are sold in stores, but there is no way in hell I would ever use one. :)
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pure titianium is not non stick, the non stick pans have stuff like teflon coatings on them, which are dubious. i have also seen something about ceramic-titanium compounds used, interesting.
 
QTS

QTS

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OrganicOzarks said:
So is there a double blind study somewhere that I am missing? One that specifically tests the safety of titanium for smoking purposes? Because non-stick pans are sold in stores, but there is no way in hell I would ever use one. :)
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Well, you could read the information linked to in that thread, including the Safety and Medical sections of the Wikipedia article, as well as the MSDS. You could also do your own research, but you'll find the same info I and others have, that titanium is completely inert and does no harm when it enters your body.
 
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OrganicOzarks

The non-stick pans was a reference to something marketed as safe that is clearly not safe. As far as research goes I specifically asked if there were tested done on Ti and smoking. None of the other research that you have posted applies. Inert is a relative term.
 
huligun

huligun

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inert means it is not chemically reactive in real world uses.

If you got TI hot enough to gas it would be many many many times hotter than what is required to smoke.

I would honestly say that it is unsafer using rolling papers.

TI is a very expensive super metal alloy that is better than stainless steel (less corrosive).
 
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OrganicOzarks

Inert is indeed relative. I would also like to point to the oil used in the machining process. Is that inert as well? Inert is a very relative term.
 
QTS

QTS

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OrganicOzarks said:
The non-stick pans was a reference to something marketed as safe that is clearly not safe. As far as research goes I specifically asked if there were tested done on Ti and smoking. None of the other research that you have posted applies. Inert is a relative term.
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As you can't seem to be bothered to look at the information you're asking for, I'll provide here what I posted in that other thread. In case you are unaware, MSDS stands for Material Safety Data Sheet. Hopefully it will clear up your inquiry:

Here is a MSDS on Titanium and Ti alloy that states this:
No toxic effects would be expected from its inert solid form or under normal usage such as forging and heating. Prolonged, repeated exposure to fumes or dusts generated during cutting, grinding, or welding may cause adverse health effects...
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The entire pdf can be found here: http://titanium.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Material-Safety-Data-Sheet.pdf
 
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OrganicOzarks

"No toxic effects would be expected from its inert solid form or under normal usage such as forging and heating. Prolonged, repeated exposure to fumes or dusts generated during cutting, grinding, or welding may cause adverse health effects... "

"would be expected" is not scientific terminology. There is nothing conclusive about it.

It then goes on to say that prolonged exposure may cause adverse health effects.

By trying to argue against me you are only proving more that we need to fully test these before they are used for "medical" purposes. From your own terminology the jury is out.

Also what about the oil residue left from machining? Are we now suppose to burn oil off of a medical device before we use it? Then what do you do with the burnt oil residue left on the Ti Nail?

"So I went in to get a new hip, but the doctor took a little longer than he thought. He didn't realize it was going to take so long to burn the oil off of my new hip.":)

Really?

Basically there are no test done with Ti used in this application, and people are using other information out there to make themselves feel good about using them in this application.

Asbestos will keep your house warm as fuck. :)
 
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QTS

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OrganicOzarks said:
"No toxic effects would be expected from its inert solid form or under normal usage such as forging and heating. Prolonged, repeated exposure to fumes or dusts generated during cutting, grinding, or welding may cause adverse health effects... "

"would be expected" is not scientific terminology. There is nothing conclusive about it.

It then goes on to say that prolonged exposure may cause adverse health effects.

By trying to argue against me you are only proving more that we need to fully test these before they are used for "medical" purposes. From your own terminology the jury is out.

Also what about the oil residue left from machining? Are we now suppose to burn oil off of a medical device before we use it? Then what do you do with the burnt oil residue left on the Ti Nail?

"So I went in to get a new hip, but the doctor took a little longer than he thought. He didn't realize it was going to take so long to burn the oil off of my new hip.":)

Really?

Basically there are no test done with Ti used in this application, and people are using other information out there to make themselves feel good about using them in this application.

Asbestos will keep your house warm as fuck. :)
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Ok so how about you convince the powers that be to do research on vaporizing an illegal substace off of a given material, then come back to us with what they say. Until then I'll reference redily available and industry accepted information that most closely proximates the use we intend. Any and all information that I've seen on titanium in any form, inside the human body, has stated it's inert properties and having no physical side effects from it being there. I beg you to please find something condradictory and post it here.

Here's a question: Do live in a medical state, and only smoke herb from clubs that have their products tested for molds, mildews, and left over ferts? If you grow, do you yourself have your products tested? Do you take so-and-so's word that what you're consuming was flushed properly, dried correctly, and carries no toxins or bug poisons? If you answered no to the first two, and yes to the third, then I'd care to wager you're taking more risk ingesting things you don't want in your body when smoking herb, than you would be vaping (known clean products) off of titanium.

The only valid point I've heard you make is with the machine oil. I personally have thoroughly heated up every piece of titanium before I used it, just for the reason you stated. It would be interesting to find if the companies that make these take machine oils into consideration before shipping them out. Also, people have been smoking out of those crappy brass and steel chamber pipes for years, makes me wonder about those too.
 
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Good_KarmA

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Right.... Back on topic. I'm considering getting one (first nail purchase) What are the advantages to longer length and it being adjustable.

I feel like such a noob when it comes to this stuff. Nobody smokes oil here.
 
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