NASA has Released Info on Brown Dwarf Star/Dwarf Planet Between Jupiter and Mars

[Anti]

http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=166406

Washington University anthropologist David Freidel says the Mayan prophecy is part myth and part misinterpretation.

"2012 represents a renewal date of the calendar. It doesn't represent the end of the calendar, just one more day in the calendar," Freidel says.

He says it's just like the end of a millennium, with many more to follow. Freidel says the Mayans believed the world is basically eternal. He thinks it's just our culture that is looking for trouble.

"The Maya were not worried about 2012. We're worried about 2012 because we believe in the end of the world," he says. "And we have predicted the end of the world over and over again in America."

For those that expect tidal waves, earthquakes or war to wipe us out, Freidel says December 21, 2012 will bring only disappointment.

"It's just going to be one big hippie circus down in Maya country in Yucatan. It's going to be a lot of partying down there," he says. "The world isn't going to end. People are going to wake up with hangovers."

And there's more to the myth: something called galactic alignment. It's the idea that in 2012, the Earth will align with the equator of the Milky Way. This part is almost true; however, experts say the Mayans were off by a few years. It already happened in 1998.
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So.... if my choice is believing Susan Joy Renisson or an actual ARCHEOLOGIST at a prestigious private university..... guess which I'm choosing?

Why do you put your faith in a woman with no credentials, but you dismiss NASA scientists, phds, archeologists who have studied and base their lives on a search for truth?

BTW - NASA is currently discussing solar flares and emissions in Washington DC as I type this. You can watch it live at: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html

My question to you is: why are you not researching this stuff yourself if you believe it?

 

[elmanito]

http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=166406

Washington University anthropologist David Freidel says the Mayan prophecy is part myth and part misinterpretation.

"2012 represents a renewal date of the calendar. It doesn't represent the end of the calendar, just one more day in the calendar," Freidel says.

He says it's just like the end of a millennium, with many more to follow. Freidel says the Mayans believed the world is basically eternal. He thinks it's just our culture that is looking for trouble.

"The Maya were not worried about 2012. We're worried about 2012 because we believe in the end of the world," he says. "And we have predicted the end of the world over and over again in America."

For those that expect tidal waves, earthquakes or war to wipe us out, Freidel says December 21, 2012 will bring only disappointment.

"It's just going to be one big hippie circus down in Maya country in Yucatan. It's going to be a lot of partying down there," he says. "The world isn't going to end. People are going to wake up with hangovers."

And there's more to the myth: something called galactic alignment. It's the idea that in 2012, the Earth will align with the equator of the Milky Way. This part is almost true; however, experts say the Mayans were off by a few years. It already happened in 1998.
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So.... if my choice is believing Susan Joy Renisson or an actual ARCHEOLOGIST at a prestigious private university..... guess which I'm choosing?

Why do you put your faith in a woman with no credentials, but you dismiss NASA scientists, phds, archeologists who have studied and base their lives on a search for truth?

BTW - NASA is currently discussing solar flares and emissions in Washington DC as I type this. You can watch it live at: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html

My question to you is: why are you not researching this stuff yourself if you believe it?

First of all the reading of Susan was at a Technical University in Delft where there are also teachings about Aerospace Engineering, Architecture etc and not in a health center, so with her scientific background as a quantum physicist she was a good match for the listeners.Second NASA is an organisation of the US government, so my question is, do you trust the US government.

[YOUTUBEIF]R6QNzH4x1rY[/YOUTUBEIF]

[YOUTUBEIF]JkIYpWtpLs8[/YOUTUBEIF]

Namaste

 

[Anti]

First of all the reading of Susan was at a Technical University in Delft where there are also teachings about Aerospace Engineering, Architecture etc and not in a health center, so with her scientific background as a quantum physicist she was a good match for the listeners.

Can you please point me to any of Susan's peer-reviewed published studies in the field of Quantum Physics (or any other field?)

Second NASA is an organisation of the US government, so my question is, do you trust the US government.

No I don't. Does that mean that every person ever employed by a government agency (my mother and father for example) are part of a conspiracy to prevent the spread of knowledge that is apparently very easy to find on the internet? NO.

Now that I've answered your question, care to take a crack at answering mine?

This isn't one you have to answer, but have you noticed that I post up links to the evidence that I present... while you post up links to stories that offer no evidence and lots of "suppose" "perhaps" "could be"?

BTW - That NASA.tv link for the live conference on solar emissions featured video, computer modeling and 5 scientists that EXCLUSIVELY study the sun. There was detailed description of the 17 different sun studying missions in progress (and a really cool one that is on course for launch in 2018 where they'll actually send an unmanned mission to the sun.)

 

[sunnydog]

Tyche's orbit would lie at approximately 500 times Neptune's; NOT between Jupiter and Mars.
Pesky details...

I was looking to see who would catch this first!

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Thanks for the science Anti. I guess I lack the faith that makes the Chronicles of Yosephus interesting. I'd like to experience faith for 5 minutes or so... long enough to understand why some prefer a narrative to science. I guess that's why they call it faith because it can't be proven.

 

[Anti]

Second NASA is an organisation of the US government, so my question is, do you trust the US government.

It's interesting to me that you asked the above question and then posted the following videos:

VIDEO #1
[youtubeif]R6QNzH4x1rY[/youtubeif]

Above, you'll see a former member of the US Military (an organization of the US government) discussing things he claims to have seen in a government installation. But of course we can't believe anything he says due to his affiliation with the US government, right?

VIDEO #2
[youtubeif]JkIYpWtpLs8[/youtubeif]

This video gets its own facts confused. When it starts, the video states that the woman is a NASA employee (you know, the one that you are arguing against?) but her own words on the video show that she was simply a civilian contractor working at NASA. The video itself is inconsistent and offers not a shred of evidence beyond her testimonial. Since she was working for NASA (a US government organization) we can't believe anything she has to say on the subject, right?

Also, she says that a guard (a NASA or military employee, therefore associated with the US government) was instructed to burn pictures without looking at them... and that a SECOND guard (also a NASA or military employee, therefore associated with the US government) was there to ensure that the first guard did as instructed. When he glanced at one of the photos (and saw a UFO) he was struck by the second guard.

My questions:

There's nobody IN or described in the two videos (that you posted immediately after questioning the veracity of NASA information) that did not work for or on contract to NASA. Therefore, by your own standards, we shouldn't believe anything in these videos as they are tainted by association with the US government.

Second... how much sense does it make to have a guard guard a guard? Why not just have the second guard burn the pictures himself? Was there a third guard guarding the guard who was guarding the first guard? (If so, who was guarding him?)

 

[wdcf]

Not that I am a conspiracy theorist, but did you know that NASA has publicized that the public can hear whatever the Astronauts are saying in space if they listen to whatever frequency, and that was the astronauts only means for communicating, when in fact they had some sort encrypted communication line as well.

There is documentation of Astronauts reporting things on the public channel and then NASA quickly interrupting telling the astronaut to use another form of communication.

Everything is censored.

The first man in 'orbit' even said in an interview that he saw somethings that he was not allowed to go into detail about.

Everything is censored.

The government is scared that if people realize there are other things out there, it will challenge their beliefs about God, and then people will stop believing and then lawlessness will occur.

It is not us who are retarded but 98% of the population are.

All in fun, and im probably to high for this conversation,
~WDCF

 

[elmanito]

It's interesting to me that you asked the above question and then posted the following videos:

VIDEO #1
[youtubeif]R6QNzH4x1rY[/youtubeif]

Above, you'll see a former member of the US Military (an organization of the US government) discussing things he claims to have seen in a government installation. But of course we can't believe anything he says due to his affiliation with the US government, right?

VIDEO #2
[youtubeif]JkIYpWtpLs8[/youtubeif]

This video gets its own facts confused. When it starts, the video states that the woman is a NASA employee (you know, the one that you are arguing against?) but her own words on the video show that she was simply a civilian contractor working at NASA. The video itself is inconsistent and offers not a shred of evidence beyond her testimonial. Since she was working for NASA (a US government organization) we can't believe anything she has to say on the subject, right?

Also, she says that a guard (a NASA or military employee, therefore associated with the US government) was instructed to burn pictures without looking at them... and that a SECOND guard (also a NASA or military employee, therefore associated with the US government) was there to ensure that the first guard did as instructed. When he glanced at one of the photos (and saw a UFO) he was struck by the second guard.

My questions:

There's nobody IN or described in the two videos (that you posted immediately after questioning the veracity of NASA information) that did not work for or on contract to NASA. Therefore, by your own standards, we shouldn't believe anything in these videos as they are tainted by association with the US government.

Second... how much sense does it make to have a guard guard a guard? Why not just have the second guard burn the pictures himself? Was there a third guard guarding the guard who was guarding the first guard? (If so, who was guarding him?)

A while ago NASA had an important announcement about a special bacteria found in a lake in Cali which uses Arsenic in its DNA, so those scientists of NASA were telling there is possible life on other planets with different environments.For a long time they know there is exterrestrial life out there.They have evidence but not telling to the public, because they aren't allowed to.

The disclosure project in 2001 was the reason to let the public know that the US government are hiding things about exterrestrial life, so if you still have answers, send an email to Steven Greer.

The only work of Susan J Rennison is her book, but like i said before it is a very interesting one and when you think it is mumbo jumbo, well that is your choice.

Namaste

 

[Anti]

The only work of Susan J Rennison is her book, but like i said before it is a very interesting one and when you think it is mumbo jumbo, well that is your choice.

I don't know whether it is mumbo jumbo or not. I asked you to post up relevant information from her book and you instructed me to go buy it. If you've already read it, I don't know why you can't just tell me what it's about, maybe quote some relevant passages from it that support your argument.

I've watched every video you posted, I've responded to every question you've asked.

You've ignored or dodged all of my questions.

Rational discussion among adults requires both sides to at least CONSIDER the argument of the other side before dismissing it.

 

[Anti]

BTW folks.. there are observatories all over the world. Many countries have satellites in orbit besides NASA.

Do you think there's a worldwide conspiracy that involves every single astrophysicist, heliophysicist and astronomer on the planet? NASA can't possibly be controlling all of them. Someone out there would talk. Their lives are dedicated to uplifting scientific knowledge.

 

[Sgt.Stedenko]

what should i be 'spectin?

All bud

 

[CascadeFarmer]

BTW folks.. there are observatories all over the world. Many countries have satellites in orbit besides NASA.

Do you think there's a worldwide conspiracy that involves every single astrophysicist, heliophysicist and astronomer on the planet? NASA can't possibly be controlling all of them. Someone out there would talk. Their lives are dedicated to uplifting scientific knowledge.

This is the thing I don't get. I mean the CometP/Shoemaker-Levy9 event on Jupiter was found out beforehand, tracked and there was a significant advance notice. So why isn't there more data/coverage about Elenin??? I'd think just about every amateur to professional would be looking for and cataloging this thing and it would be on credible websites all over the place.

 

[Anti]

So why isn't there more data/coverage about Elenin??? I'd think just about every amateur to professional would be looking for and cataloging this thing and it would be on credible websites all over the place.

Here's a credible website:

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May 04, 2011
You may have heard the news: Comet Elenin is coming to the inner-solar system this fall. Comet Elenin (also known by its astronomical name C/2010 X1), was first detected on Dec. 10, 2010 by Leonid Elenin, an observer in Lyubertsy, Russia, who made the discovery "remotely" using the ISON-NM observatory near Mayhill, New Mexico. At the time of the discovery, the comet was about 647 million kilometers (401 million miles) from Earth. Over the past four-and-a-half months, the comet has – as comets do – closed the distance to Earth's vicinity as it makes its way closer to perihelion (its closest point to the sun). As of May 4, Elenin's distance is about 274 million kilometers (170 million miles).

"That is what happens with these long-period comets that come in from way outside our planetary system," said Don Yeomans of NASA's Near-Earth Object Program Office at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. "They make these long, majestic, speedy arcs through our solar system, and sometimes they put on a great show. But not Elenin. Right now that comet looks kind of wimpy."

How does a NASA scientist define cometary wimpiness?

"We're talking about how a comet looks as it safely flies past us," said Yeomans. "Some cometary visitors arriving from beyond the planetary region – like Hale-Bopp in 1997 -- have really lit up the night sky where you can see them easily with the naked eye as they safely transit the inner-solar system. But Elenin is trending toward the other end of the spectrum. You'll probably need a good pair of binoculars, clear skies, and a dark, secluded location to see it even on its brightest night."

Comet Elenin should be at its brightest shortly before the time of its closest approach to Earth on Oct. 16 of this year. At its closest point, it will be 35 million kilometers (22 million miles) from us. Can this icy interloper influence us from where it is, or where it will be in the future? What about this celestial object inspiring some shifting of the tides or even tectonic plates here on Earth? There have been some incorrect Internet speculations that external forces could cause comet Elenin to come closer.

"Comet Elenin will not encounter any dark bodies that could perturb its orbit, nor will it influence us in any way here on Earth," said Yeomans. "It will get no closer to Earth than 35 million kilometers [about 22 million miles]. "

"Comet Elenin will not only be far away, it is also on the small side for comets," said Yeomans. "And comets are not the most densely-packed objects out there. They usually have the density of something akin to loosely packed icy dirt.

"So you've got a modest-sized icy dirtball that is getting no closer than 35 million kilometers," said Yeomans. "It will have an immeasurably miniscule influence on our planet. By comparison, my subcompact automobile exerts a greater influence on the ocean's tides than comet Elenin ever will."

Yeomans did have one final thought on comet Elenin.

"This comet may not put on a great show. Just as certainly, it will not cause any disruptions here on Earth. But there is a cause to marvel," said Yeomans. "This intrepid little traveler will offer astronomers a chance to study a relatively young comet that came here from well beyond our solar system's planetary region. After a short while, it will be headed back out again, and we will not see or hear from Elenin for thousands of years. That's pretty cool."

NASA detects, tracks and characterizes asteroids and comets passing relatively close to Earth using both ground- and space-based telescopes. The Near-Earth Object Observations Program, commonly called "Spaceguard," discovers these objects, characterizes a subset of them, and predicts their paths to determine if any could be potentially hazardous to our planet.

JPL manages the Near-Earth Object Program Office for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington, DC. JPL is a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena.

More information about asteroids and near-Earth objects is at: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/asteroidwatch , and on Twitter: @asteroidwatch .

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If you type "comet elenin" into google, that's the first thing that comes up.

 

[Space Toker]

thank you Anti, I was getting ready to give up on this thread with all the nonsense of late, but that is some real science research you posted there, excellent!

 

[Anti]

Here's another....

As you can see from this image, the perigee of elenin will be on October 16, 2011 where it will be 0.234 AU away from Earth.

0.234? Wow. That sounds DANGEROUSLY close, doesn't it?

Oh wait, an AU is the distance between the Earth and the Sun.

So 1 AU = 92,955,887.6 miles

Nearly 93 million miles!

So how close IS 0.234 AU?

21,751,677.7 miles

Just for perspective, how far from earth is the moon?

238,857 miles.

So at its closest approach to Earth, comet Elenin will be 91 times as far as the moon.*

* this information brought to you free of charge.

 

[CascadeFarmer]

http://spaceobs.org/en/tag/comet-elenin/* this information brought to you free of charge.

Ha ha...good stuff. I'm gonna claim a mulligan here. I saw that video that Elmanito threw up a few months ago and turned a geek friend onto it without really checking. After research my friend said it was not a NASA page. He was correct in that it was a video/site that used the NASA info for it's own purposes without verifying if it really came from NASA.

Seems it does, I'm a dork, whatever it is is coming but still why not more coverage on this by the independent astronomers?

 

[Anti]

Seems it does, I'm a dork, whatever it is is coming but still why not more coverage on this by the independent astronomers?

Ok... here's one from an independant astronomer in Australia:

http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/2011/04/comet-elenin-faq-for-worried.html

His link is FULL of links to other sites, so I won't reproduce the whole thing here as I'd have to fix 50 or more links to post it properly and I really don't have the desire to do so. Just click the link above if you wanna read the whole thing.

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Will it Hit Earth: No, its closest approach is 0.23 AU on Oct 16, 2011, where 1 AU is the distance from the Earth to the Sun. To put this in perspective, this is only a little closer than the closest approach of Venus to Earth, and roughly 100 times the distance from the Earth to the Moon. This distance is from the latest MPEC ephemeris which is based on over 100 observations from multiple observatories that have been continuously tracking the comet, so it won't change appreciably.

But its Earth MOID is only 0.03 AU! MOID stands for Minimal Orbital Interaction Distance. It is how close the orbits are together, not how close the objects are themselves. It's important for objects that have multiple return orbits, like potential asteroid impactors, but not for a one-off visitor like Elenin (well, you could wait for another 10,000 years or so). Earth and Elenin themselves never get closer than 100 times the distance from the Earth to the Moon.

Surely if Elenin Was Going to Hit the Earth NASA/the Government Would Hush it Up? Which government? The Australian Government, the UK Government? The Italian Government? The South African Government? Amateur astronomers world wide are following this comet and continually talking to each other. The have the programs to work out where the comet is going. If the comet was coming anywhere near us, the amateur community would be first to know, and there is no keeping them quite. Consider how wide spread the information is about Apophis, which is a real, if extremely marginal, hazard.

(This is only the tip of the iceberg of what you'll find on his site.)

 

[Anti]

http://spaceobs.org/en/2011/06/03/what-if-we-replace-comet-elenin-by-brown-dwarf/

The above link (quoted below in its entirety) was posted by Leonid Elenin - the guy who discovered comet elenin in december. (He's Russian.) The link and the video describe what would happen if we replace comet elenin with a brown dwarf.

What if we replace comet C/2010 X1 (Elenin) by brown dwarf with mass about 0.05 of Solar mass? This video demonstrate time interval from 2000 to 2020 years. As you can see, dramatic changes in the orbit of Saturn would have started 3 years ago. But at this time all planets are on it’s nominal orbits. I think myth about “brown dwarf instead comet Elenin” is debunked. You can see that by yourself.

Numerical integration was carried out by ORSA software using RADAU15-th order integrator.

Here's the youtube link to his video.

http://youtu.be/_S4T0wqrSzA
[youtubeif]_S4T0wqrSzA[/youtubeif]

 

[Anti]

Uh oh... I found something SCARY!

http://thetruthbehindthescenes.word...ufo-fleet-following-in-formation-in-its-tail/

This site says:

Based on reports published by China’s space agency, Sergio Toscano, director for Astronomical Research in Missions, said that behind the comet Elenin could be approaching a UFO.

“Behind the comet, discovered in December last year, Chinese scientists say that is something they called cluster, which means globular cluster, or perhaps alien spacecraft,” said Toscano.

According to the report quotes the astronomer mission, the space body would be found in the comet’s tail and was analyzed after the mysterious signals that came off of an unknown formation “strange and obscure.”

In the words of Toscano, the Chinese have said that the spacecraft is stationed in the same place for ninety days, ”before that looked like it was coming from an extraterrestrial civilization,” said Argentine scientist.

Oh wait...

THIS SITE has this to say about Sergio Toscano:
(http://paranormalutopia.com/2011/08/theres-no-ufo-fleet-following-elenin-get-over-it811/)

So I keep seeing all these articles popping up on blogs and rather questionable websites talking about a fleet of UFO following comet Elenin. Of course the names they are throwing around are people who don’t even exist in the structures of the agencies they’re talking about. Of course I spent a couple of hours digging and let me explain a few things and why this conspiracy theorists is getting a little tired of the paranoids making up doomsday stories.

For starters, this Sergio Toscano who is claimed to have been a director for Astronomical Research in Missions in the Chinese Space Agency, is actually not and never has had anything to do with the Chinese Space Agency. He’s a South American PR Journalist for NASA. Let’s clear that up. That’s assuming that this was a name pulled out of the air of astronomy and this isn’t completely a coincidence on a bunk story that was being created.

Another article claimed that this supposed UFO Fleet “was corroborated by Rosie Redfiel, the new director of the Program of NASA’s Astrobiology” but this is also a lie. There is no such person with any such title. Sure, there are plenty of Rosie Redfields and Rosie Redfiels but none of them said anything close to this.

Woo!

I was scared for a minute there!

 

[Anti]

I'd also like to point out that I'm not a big "space" buff. I'm interested in the subject, but I have never looked into this stuff at all until I started participating in this thread.

(All of the information I am providing could have been found by any of the true believers who were willing to fact-check the things they were reading on dubious "spiritual" websites about the end of the world.)