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*The K.I.S.S. Method*
- Thread starter Ioni Botani
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bruceinpacifica
Member
Hi dgr,bruce,
Are you saying you've ran all of those except for the koolbloom and they are looking fine and now you've added the KB and think, based on ppm, that it is too hot?
If that's the case, I agree. I also question why you want to muck with what is working for you
I was running the recipe with 1 tsp (greenspoon 5 grams dry weight) Maxibloom which seemed to be doing fine. I upped it to 1 1/3 tsp. of maxibloom per gal & it became too hot. Lack of exp. is why I decided to change & everyone says a tsp (7 grams dry weight) per gal. It's all evlme2's fault, lol just kidding of course. Just looking for the best possible recipe.
I will return to my original recipe.
Thanks for the responses.
Cheers,
bruce
maxibloom, promix, feeding schedule?
maxibloom, promix, feeding schedule?
I've read this entire topic and can't find what i'm looking for, so please help out. I need a baseline for feeding in promix. I suspect if I feed at 7g every watering I'll nuke my plants. I think I heard somewhere at this strength to feed/water/water. I'm hoping you can share with me your program, I really want to k.i.s.s, got enough other issues and really need to get this sorted. Thanks
maxibloom, promix, feeding schedule?
I've read this entire topic and can't find what i'm looking for, so please help out. I need a baseline for feeding in promix. I suspect if I feed at 7g every watering I'll nuke my plants. I think I heard somewhere at this strength to feed/water/water. I'm hoping you can share with me your program, I really want to k.i.s.s, got enough other issues and really need to get this sorted. Thanks
G
Guest 18340
For the past 3 months I've been experimenting with Promix and Maxibloom (and Liquid Lucas formula as well). I've fed the plants at every watering and have yet to burn them.
The longest I've done that for (feed with every watering) was 4 weeks. They were from clones.
By no means am I saying feeding with every watering is the way to go, just that i tried it for 4 weeks in a row and all was well.
I let the pot get light, then water slowly/thoroughly until run off.
Ironically, I didn't feed/water/water any of them so I couldn't tell you if their was any growth difference. Only that the plants were healthy and showed no signs of burned.
I'm almost certain though that I would see burns eventually.
*EDIT*
Wanted to add; this was all just an experiment for me. I use coco, not Promix.
I think they didn't burn because I watered to waste...
The longest I've done that for (feed with every watering) was 4 weeks. They were from clones.
By no means am I saying feeding with every watering is the way to go, just that i tried it for 4 weeks in a row and all was well.
I let the pot get light, then water slowly/thoroughly until run off.
Ironically, I didn't feed/water/water any of them so I couldn't tell you if their was any growth difference. Only that the plants were healthy and showed no signs of burned.
I'm almost certain though that I would see burns eventually.
*EDIT*
Wanted to add; this was all just an experiment for me. I use coco, not Promix.
I think they didn't burn because I watered to waste...
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bruceinpacifica
Member
Hi tester,
If memory serves me correctly there's only been one person who's reported having nute deficiency/burn due to incorrect spoon size & both Evelme2 & Ioni Botani have been adamant about suggesting the weighing the powder prior to applying also pounding the table about reading your plants. A very small issue in an overwhelmingly helpful thread. Due to inflation that's just my two bits.
Cheers,
bruce
If memory serves me correctly there's only been one person who's reported having nute deficiency/burn due to incorrect spoon size & both Evelme2 & Ioni Botani have been adamant about suggesting the weighing the powder prior to applying also pounding the table about reading your plants. A very small issue in an overwhelmingly helpful thread. Due to inflation that's just my two bits.
Cheers,
bruce
I've been using the kiss method for a while and love it! thanks evel & ioni for the great help. Recently I wanted to try the maxigrow and see how it would do.....well, it's not that good (imo). Massive deficiencies occurred and fortunately they've almost all recovered. This has taken three weeks to a month to fix, but now we're all back with the MB and life is good. Just wanted to let everyone know....who may be thinking of trying it out....don't do it. thanks guys!
I'm having issues with my Lucas...i did my entire last grow with maxi bloom at 1/4 to 1/2 tbs to the gallon and it worked just fine, any more than that and i saw burning...working with some very nute sensitive strains, or so i had thought.
my mothers are now in full gear and putting out lots of clones, however i can't seem to feed them enough to keep up with my output, they aren't huge moms so it is a significant amount of the plant being trimmed for clones...i need them growing as fast as possible but i'm getting nitrogen deficiency a bit, losing leaves rather rapidly, even at a full scoop per gallon. i'm not seeing anything yet but i am worried i'm going to get salt buildup pretty fast because of all the unneeded potassium and phosphorus i have to dump in the soil to get enough nitrogen to keep my moms from losing more leaf. this past watering i gave it a full scoop of maxi bloom to a gallon, watered as usual, and then added a dose of Mexican bat guano tea, that had been marinading for weeks...it was the closest thing i had to pure nitrogen.
i'm starting to think maybe lucas isn't the best formula for veg...and isn't that the point? that you can use the same formula for veg and flower? i don't know, it works for some people i guess...and even though i still plan to use maxi bloom exclusively for flowering, i just ordered maxi grow and i'll be using that for vegging from now on, which isn't really lucas at that point is it?
my mothers are now in full gear and putting out lots of clones, however i can't seem to feed them enough to keep up with my output, they aren't huge moms so it is a significant amount of the plant being trimmed for clones...i need them growing as fast as possible but i'm getting nitrogen deficiency a bit, losing leaves rather rapidly, even at a full scoop per gallon. i'm not seeing anything yet but i am worried i'm going to get salt buildup pretty fast because of all the unneeded potassium and phosphorus i have to dump in the soil to get enough nitrogen to keep my moms from losing more leaf. this past watering i gave it a full scoop of maxi bloom to a gallon, watered as usual, and then added a dose of Mexican bat guano tea, that had been marinading for weeks...it was the closest thing i had to pure nitrogen.
i'm starting to think maybe lucas isn't the best formula for veg...and isn't that the point? that you can use the same formula for veg and flower? i don't know, it works for some people i guess...and even though i still plan to use maxi bloom exclusively for flowering, i just ordered maxi grow and i'll be using that for vegging from now on, which isn't really lucas at that point is it?
IwannatokeNbone
Member
kiss just keeps reminding one to keep it simple but this year im running a grow nute also, currently my bloom nutes didnt have what was needed early bloom in the N department, i wasnt running maxi though, my nute has less N, but ive seen plants fed a two part and in veg they seem to respond better to a veg specific nute, i find a two part not bat shit, im just not into mixing 8 things every dam time, im going two part soon.
black_thumb
Member
that sorta looks like nute burn or a lockout of some kind...hard to say off two leaves but are you sure you aren't over doing it?
black_thumb
Member
4 foot tall in veg going on week 9. seems like after 6 weeks of vegging shit starts going down hill from that point on.
SirTOKESalot
Member
Only one problem with kiss, in two grows.
measurement
I left my bag open and it chunked up a little bit, That means I can never seem to get the same measurement and I have to test ph of every mix, Really killing the joy of this for me, and on two plants I have rank clawing of my top leafs, no deficiencies just some clawing on top and a little more work every mix. LEssen learnt although.
measurement
I left my bag open and it chunked up a little bit, That means I can never seem to get the same measurement and I have to test ph of every mix, Really killing the joy of this for me, and on two plants I have rank clawing of my top leafs, no deficiencies just some clawing on top and a little more work every mix. LEssen learnt although.
the_extremist
Member
Maybe too much K in Maxibloom for use in coir? An excess of K can lock out Ca and Mg.
G
Guest 18340
I don't know, I've been using Maxibloom @ 7 grams/gal for 2 years now, in coco, and never experienced problems.
How do the roots look on the plants those leaves came off of? What type of water are you using?
How do the roots look on the plants those leaves came off of? What type of water are you using?
Could be salt build up especially if your not watering to waste. I haven't anymore problems since I lifted my pots out of runoff
more info on How you grow would help
more info on How you grow would help
black_thumb
Member
my tap water comes out at 90 ppm so i have to add 5 ml of cal-mag per gallon of tap.
i just transplanted from 5 gallon buckets to 27 gallon totes and the roots looked nice and white.
each tote gets hand fed 4 gallons once a day with 1 gallon of run off per tote drain to waste.
once iv mixed the cal-mag and maxibloom i adjust the ph to 5.6 let it sit for about an hour recheck ph and feed.
how much harder does it have to be than that?
so could it be my tap water? or the coco im using?
im using botanicare coco 5 kg bails.
i just transplanted from 5 gallon buckets to 27 gallon totes and the roots looked nice and white.
each tote gets hand fed 4 gallons once a day with 1 gallon of run off per tote drain to waste.
once iv mixed the cal-mag and maxibloom i adjust the ph to 5.6 let it sit for about an hour recheck ph and feed.
how much harder does it have to be than that?
so could it be my tap water? or the coco im using?
im using botanicare coco 5 kg bails.
