My Tropical Outdoor

[motaloca]

hi bro. I'm at 13 north as well. I see lack of branching with my plants when i have 50/50 or more indica sativa and havent vegged long. As others have mentioned neville haze ssh and other longflowering sativa dominant strains will give you big plants with short or no veg time. Also i have found that indicas take on sativa apearance once put outside. If you're looking for cheap seeds for your situation have a look at the bay for hybrids from hell arnes amnesiated sssdh cheers mota

 

[kamyo]

Andy,

I think I will probably go with the concentrated nutes. Probably Ocean Forest for the first few months and then the liquid nutes once a week or so when the plants look like they're hungry. Quick question: because they'll be outside and prone to rain, how will the plants handle a feeding when the soil is already mostly full of water? I'd like to think they'll still get fed, but something tells me most of it will drain out.

Mota,

Thanks for the info. I've actually been looking into sssdh (any ssh, really) for quite a while now. I think something like that will give me enough veg/yield without taking forever to mature...and also be somewhat resistant to mold.

 

[Andyo]

Itl be ok

Itl be ok

Andy,

I think I will probably go with the concentrated nutes. Probably Ocean Forest for the first few months and then the liquid nutes once a week or so when the plants look like they're hungry. Quick question: because they'll be outside and prone to rain, how will the plants handle a feeding when the soil is already mostly full of water? I'd like to think they'll still get fed, but something tells me most of it will drain out.

Mota,

Thanks for the info. I've actually been looking into sssdh (any ssh, really) for quite a while now. I think something like that will give me enough veg/yield without taking forever to mature...and also be somewhat resistant to mold.

Kamyo itll still work fine,if you can ph the feed solution you make up then 6.2 will be ok
regarding EC levels if your approaching a dry spell drop ec to 1.0
if wet 2.0
If you can lay your hands on some dpta iron then a pinch of this once or twice will help as hydro nutes have etda iron in which is targeted at ph 5.0 to 6.0 and dpta iron is targeted at ph 6.0 to 7.0 which is the more ideal range for your soil .A

 

[kamyo]

Awesome, thanks. I'll definitely be testing the ph and ec of the nutes before feeding. Because they'll be outside, all other watering will be rain water.

Picked up a timer and switched the pc veg cab girls over to 12/12 today. My CS arrived a few days ago and the spraying will start soon (on only 1 plant...still not sure which). Maybe tonight or tomorrow...whenever I get some time alone with them. Also pinched the top (between 4th and 5th node, I think) of the plant shown on the left of the last veg picture. The shoots are coming out nice, but I need to train the shit out of her to keep her down in that cab.

Just got paid today, so I should be getting the plumbing finished and the cover for the greenhouse on soon. Will also order my drip equipment. Originally, I was going to run all drip lines to pots of coco with a fertilizer applicator. Now, I think I'll just use FFOF and hand fed nutes when they need it. Should be noted again that the greenhouse isn't for cannabis (not now, at least), but for other stuff we generally use at the ranch (hot peppers, cherry tomatoes, etc.). Using the soil for the greenhouse gives me an excuse to bring in a lot of soil without having to be all guerrilla about it.

 

[kamyo]

I was able to make it out to the spot this morning for just a few minutes. I was in the area yesterday, and it didn't look like it had been raining much. When I showed up today, there were HUGE puddles and I think it's safe to assume that we got a couple of inches of rain last night. Plant 4 (the one in the ground) was showing a little more progress, but I think the rain had an effect on the amount of visible trichs. The other plants are coming along nicely, specifically plant 3. She should be done by early-mid October. The others shouldn't be too far behind.

Plant 1 - Still barely showing pistils. No real sign of bud production on lower nodes, so I think it's safe to assume that she'll branch out a little before she starts packing on the buds.

Plant 2 - Showing a little more production than plant 1, but not much more.

Plant 3 - Really impressed me today with its bud production. Reminds me a little of a Skunk #1 (from Sam) that I ran a few years ago. Hoping she'll fill out nice and fat because I don't think I'll see any growth other than bud growth on this one.

Plant 4 - This is the plant that I put into the ground with maybe a litre of potting soil in the hole. Bud production is coming along, but I don't think the rain has helped her any.

All in all, I think they're doing okay for a hasty grow. I still have 4 seeds in the Feminized Mix that I haven't popped, plus the 3 in my pc cab that went to 12/12 a few days ago. Yesterday was my first spray of colloidal silver on the squat, skinny leafed plant (the middle plant pictured below). The next run will definitely be done with at least 1' by 1' holes and good soil/nutes. The current crop is just a little something to test out the spot and give me a small head stash for a month or so. Been really looking into Hybrids from Hell on the Bay lately. Their Erdpurt, although mainly indica, looks awesome. Being mold resistant, I can't help but want to grow that one.

PC Cab - Day 3 12/12. Spraying the middle one with colloidal silver for 2 days now. The one on the left hasn't really grown much, but the one on the right is showing awesome vigor. I actually pinched to top to promote the shoots to grow. out more. Debating on actually getting rid of the plant on the left and just letting the reversed dad pollinate the vigorous one and itself.

 

[Andyo]

learning curve

learning curve

Well its all a learning curve .
what ever you do ,it has value.
even learning from mistakes.

I have a lot of very vigoros haze hybrids i want to try out ,but on this new island i must be carefull ,i must wait for my freind to return ,he knows the area well has been here years.

Im hoping to find an area safe enough to develope for years
I wiil really enjoy trying different sats n sat ind hybrids.A

 

[kamyo]

Right on. I've definitely learned a lot about what I should and shouldn't do out here. Also hoping I'll be able to use this spot for quite a while. I plan on moving a lot of the stuff I've been keeping there (extra soil, bottle of water, etc.) to cut down on visibility. I know I shouldn't have it out there anyway, but oh well; it'll be gone soon. I'd love to run these plants with no fence, but with the pigs in the area, that's pretty impossible. I might plant a few outside the fence to see how they do.

Looking forward to my feminized seeds coming out in a month or 2. It sucks not knowing which genetics you're working with, but it's exciting at the same thing because I have no idea what to expect.

 

[kamyo]

A couple days later. I can't get a good shot, but it looks like the two on the right are barely showing preflowers. Seriously thinking about cutting down the one on the left. Looks like she's super lanky and not very fast (at least not with how I'm growing her). Plus, it'll give me more room for the other plants to do their thing. I'll probably need to tie down the one on the right soon before it gets too close to the lights. Starting to smell pretty good. A little sweet. Been spraying with CS since day 2 (I think), so last night would make it day 4 of spray.

Also picked up some plastic sheeting for the greenhouse the other day. Will get the cover on this weekend and probably run my micro sprinklers the week after. We don't have too many resources for that stuff, so I had to order it from an online supplier.

The greenhouse:

The pipe running along the left of this picture is just some extra pipe and isn't part of the water supply. All pipe is buried. The timer, filter, pressure regulator, and hose will all come off of this and go along the top(spine) of the greenhouse for the inverted micro sprinklers.

I also plan on redoing the current grow spot this weekend. Thinking about getting rid of everything except the plants (and the pots they're in). This includes the fence. While I might have a problem with the pigs, I'd rather lose 1 or 2 plants than give the spot away because I've got so much stuff there. Growing in the ground with no fence will be a challenge, but I'll see what I can come up with.

Anyone know of any good repellents for wild pigs?

 

[mrcreosote]

Tigers.

Looking good there Kamyo. I can see your girls smiling.

 

[Andyo]

pigs

pigs

well id keep the wire ,but cut some bushes further away and work them into your surrounding vegitation , not to obvious ,
Or grow somthing with thorns to stop people .A

 

[kamyo]

I went out there today and checked on them. I'll get pics up later. I ended up moving some of the plants to another spot. The spot is maybe 50 feet or so away, but gets much more sun and has some thriving small vegetation, so it doesn't look like pigs go through there too much. I ended up just harvesting (if you'd call it that) the small plant in the ground. No reason other than to test out the herb. I broke about a million "dude, don't do that" rules when it comes to growing cannabis, too. Went ahead and dried it in the microwave using damp paper towels. For half-dried 5 week buds, this shit is nice. I rarely smoke (haven't grown in a few years and I refuse to buy), so my tolerance is shot. Figured it'd be a fun way to celebrate the greenhouse progress. BTW, I'm baked right now.

 

[kamyo]

Update: Here are the pictures from yesterday. Like I already posted, plant 4 was harvested and the other plants were moved to various areas around the original spot.

Plant 1 - Still slowly showing flowering progress, but looking nice. Still a good 8 weeks ( I think) until she's done.

Plant 2 - The calyxes on this one are weird. You can't really see by the pics, but they look a little stringy. Not really a foxtail shape, but just stringy calyxes. Will be interesting to see how she develops over the next few months.

Plant 3 - Still the farthest along. She looks to be well into the 3rd or 4th week of flowering. I'll give her another 5 weeks or so(maybe a little more) before the chop. Will be fun to check back on her each week and see the increasing bud production.

Because they went straight from 24 hrs to 12/12, they aren't going to yield a lot. I'll be lucky if I see 1/4 oz from each plant. No worries, though.

The greenhouse is coming along nicely. My drip equipment and micro sprinklers will be arriving soon. Before I cant really put anything in here, I need to invest in a solar exhaust fan. The two 6x6 openings aren't really enough to get the air moving and it's REALLY humid in there right now.

(removed gh pics)

 

[Andyo]

sauna,lol

sauna,lol

Yer to be expected ,solar fans are not that powerfull
I built top vents into my uk 64 ft poly tunnel
even then the airflow inside was a problem (no electric)

Unless you get some truck batterys and some big solar panels both exspensive your going to get mold,.A



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[kamyo]

Sauna is the perfect description. I did notice that as it got later and there was no direct sunlight hitting the GH (maybe 5pm or so), it started to feel better. Still humid, but at least it felt better. I've been looking into an 800-1000 cfm solar attic fan. If I decide to not go with a battery, I'll only be able to run it during the day, so I should probably just do it right the first time and get bigger panels and batteries.

 

[Andyo]

positive attitude

positive attitude

Thats a very positive attitude.
Im assuming your humidity n temps are similar to mine @9 degs north .
The question is what do we achieve with a polytunnel in the tropics .
Heat and humidity excesses and less light.A

 

[kamyo]

I would say they're probably similar. Humidity usually stays around 70-80% during the day on average days. The main reason for the greenhouse was to see if I could build it and learn from everything I did, so that's working. I also wanted a way to maintain the same climate all year round. We already pretty much have that going for us, except for the rainy/dry seasons. I thought it would be cool to regulate precipitation year-round. Of course, I still want to use it, so I'll have to come up with a ventilation solution before I can do anything.

I appreciate everyone's input. It's definitely helping me realize what I need to do in the future.

 

[Andyo]

ok

ok

Where rain/precipitation is concernered i would use a frame with a sheet of polycarbonate with a 1 in 6 slope on top no sides,and remove it in the dry season.
My circumstance will not allow this .
So i have to select plants that dont mold . .
one fact of physics is that the higher the air temperature the more moisture it holds,another fact is that if you blow moist air around with fans it has a cooling effect to a point.A

 

[kamyo]

Small update (no pics)

Small update (no pics)

Andy, I went against your advice and removed the fence. Well, I removed it before you told me not to, but i should have known better. Pretty sure the pigs got to them (either that or dea; there were copters out a couple weeks ago). Plant 1 (the more sativa one) was a little uprooted, but I put her back and haven't checked on her yet. I will this weekend. The other two plants were gone. So it looks like I'll be putting the fence back up and grabbing some vegetation to help cover it. Will probably go straight into the ground on the next run.

The good news is that my feminized seed run in my pc cab is going well (not really an outdoor topic, I know). The CS worked perfect on what is turning out to be a very sativa girl. I'd say they're both just short of a week into actual flowering. Will probably let the reversed fem drop some pollen and then get rid of her to let the other finish up her flowering. I'll get pictures up soon.

Also working on a canopy-style greenhouse until I can figure out my other greenhouse's ventilation problem. It's actually okay when the sun is not bearing down on it (6pm-morning), which makes me think that I can probably get by with a solar fan with no need for a battery backup. We'll see.

Oh, and I've got some Jems/Purple Ryder (via Joint Doctor, but bred by Mossy) coming soon. I know my climate isn't really the best for autoflower because it sort of defeats the purpose, but I'd like to make some seeds with some of the smaller phenos. Figured a few hundred seeds of a very low profile auto would be fun to play with out here.

 

[Andyo]

solar n wind power

solar n wind power

Sorry to hear about plants dissapearing,sounds like pigs, what about an electric pig fence

Good to hear about the CS working ,hope you kept notes or remember timing.
Female tropical sativa seed is of value especialy if straight in the ground.

On the solar power angle my mate out here has just bought a solar/wind kit to produce 5 kw
Includes batterys inverter ,panels and wind turbines
So give me 6 mnths ill be an expert on this stuff.

Im still exploring the jungle,amazing terrain deep gorges giant boulders in the bottom where the waters washed the ground from them.

A lake high up with a resident fish eagle ,.A

 

[kamyo]

Germed the rest of the SB fem mix about couple of weeks ago (09/03) (paper towel) and put them in the ground after putting the fence back up. No problems with pigs when the fence is up. Had to move the girl/reversed girl outside last Saturday (09/10) to the plot because odor was becoming an issue and I didn't really have a lot of time to work on a carbon scrubber. That same day, I threw a bunch (~20) local bagseeds in the ground as well.

I'm a little suspicious of the bagseeds because logic tells me it probably is the result of hermies (genetic, not stress). Not too many people grow male/female out here that I know of (no known landraces), so I think most seeds passed around are from herms. We'll see, though. It's worth a shot.

Looking into picking up some Erdpurt and Golden Tiger in a week or so. The Jems order seems to have gone missing. Guess that's what happens when I stray from the 'bay (won't make that mistake again). I think the purt will do great for multiple harvests. Won't produce big plants, but that's not really my intention. Was looking into HFH Amnesia, but I'm not sure how the Afghani in it would affect the sativa characteristics that I'm looking for.

Will get pics up in a week or so when there's something to show. In the meantime, I also setup a new canopy-style "greenhouse." Not really a greenhouse, but rather a 20'x20' canopy with a clear tarp and 4 inverted micro sprinklers every 10ft(100sq ft.). I'll probably get the walls for it put up soon. Still have the hoop house, but need the ventilation.