ScroG - Super Cheese; stretch much?

[Scrogerman]

I think next grow will be a 250W HPS. There seems to be much love for this size bulb for scrog, and I can do more than one plant comfortably. I'm interested to see how much I get off the indica with the shorter flower time - the sativa was a bitch and took forEVER to flower... but, it was worth it

250w power, little 1 & 2 plant scrogs in a little farting cupboard of my buddies. Nivarna ICE, rocked it!



amazing what you can do with 1 & 2 plant scrogs & a 250 lol! (yielded over 12oz of primo not counting the swarf-DWC), 2 diff phenos, 2 diff scrogs. pics dont do the 2 justice, sorry 'D;'

 

[BET]

250w power, little 1 & 2 plant scrogs in a little farting cupboard of my buddies. Nivarna ICE, rocked it!



amazing what you can do with 1 & 2 plant scrogs & a 250 lol! (yielded over 12oz of primo not counting the swarf), 2 diff phenos, 2 diff scrogs. pics dont do the 2 justice, sorry 'D;'

Holy shit! They got better all the way through and I was spent by the last pic. Beautiful stuff.

The first plant I ever grew was ICE, outdoor and reached 6 foot. I got 8oz dry off her. That was over 10 years ago. I was 18. It was summer. I think that weight lasted me and about 5 friends about a month. Srsly happy days. I remember making pure 3 skin blunts that looked like bob marley tampons and not being able to walk afterwards without clinging onto the walls. My parents were seriously forgiving people.

 

[Scrogerman]

Lol, cheers(& thanks to MrD, you know who you are). pheno selection is everything, but so is how its done. people still asking for this plant now & again, i just laugh, she long gone! shame, pics of final product i dont have anymore. was in a sleepy daze for well over 6 weeks!

I will say those Scrogs was tight as fk & airflow may have been a little problem, so im not recommending you try to repliacte it without the right gear, like AC etc. keep it lose on ya first few runs, to be safe.!

 

[Canniwhatsis]

I can have them closer. MOAR LUMENS!

I also thought that about the 'more bud sites = smaller buds', at least in theory. I'm glad you back that up. I know people who have gotten greedy and gone all out for maximum bud sites and they ended up with airy buds that were not good at all. I want potency like week old road kill - in the summer

been there done that,.... actually made that mistake with my most recent one, getting TONS of basically larger popcorn buds, but they're at least tight frosty little nugs.

I try to get em looking about like so,..... white widow

 

[BET]

been there done that,.... actually made that mistake with my most recent one, getting TONS of basically larger popcorn buds, but they're at least tight frosty little nugs.

I try to get em looking about like so,..... white widow

Nice... very nice. My third grow when I was 19 (10 years ago) was outdoor white widow. Never finished it though as the old dears copped onto the fact that what I was doing was illegal, and I woke up at 11am to find 3 full black bin bags in the back garden. Serves me right for being a lazy student. Had I been an early riser I'd have saved them. They were about 5 weeks into flower as well. Gutted. I will never forget it. The cola's on your pic look great, really nice and swollen. I guess I'll have to see what this strain does. Afterall, thats why some swear by certain strains because you know how they behave.

cheers,

BET

 

[BET]

The screen is filling up much faster now that I've lowered the lights. My light box works well at removing the heat and is currently only 6 or 7" above the plants with sweet temps. However, I'm finding that the bud sites are basically where I want them to be, and they are still growing - I don't have much room to pull them back through anymore and they won't naturally bend that easily back into the screen because some of the stems are toughening up.

I have a question. Can you explain the whole 'working them back into the net' thing whilst they are in their first few weeks of flower? I can't see how I can do that as they are basically where I want them and have shot up since lowering the light. I can't see how I can work them much more e.g they look as though they are ready to be let rip exactly where they currently sit.

As they are a short to medium height strain, logic tells me that it isn't such a bad thing. Especially as I think the extra screen height meant a longer veg and therefore more foliage to work into the net, which I think is why I'm finding space issues already.

If I were to write an equation, it'd be something like this;

Height of screen x length of veg period = FK'in Jungle


I've pruned it back as best I can, but without placing the main shoots to the extremities of the screen, where light is going to be less intense that the central area, I don't think I've much more space to stick these. I already have about 25 bud sites - yup, 5 more in just 24 hours of the light being nearer. Don't want to push it and end up with endless pop corn buds because I have far too many bud sites competing for light.


Any thoughts would be great. I just don't see after this massive burst of growth that I can move them much more. They look like they wanna reach for the stars and produce some fat bud.


Cheers

BET

 

[Musicianized]

Don't... flip the lights and let her go!

 

[BET]

Don't... flip the lights and let her go!

thanks for stopping by

have you much experience with the scrog? I'm kinda in a different situation to some because height isn't a problem for me, so stretch isn't a worry, unless it will impact my growth potential in a negative way. I chose scrog because of the 150W HPS and wanting to make the most out of the lights penetration (or lack of...)

cheers

BET

 

[Scrogerman]

What he's trying to say is, when you flip, keep training through alot of or most of the stretch, your 150 would prolly serve you a little better penetration wise.

if you let em go now, then the Scrog/screen is nothing more than a support, not really the point of doing a Scrog. But as your set on keeping the colas position as they are, let them go n see how you get on. ill say you'll end up with 14-18" colas, which only the top 6" or so will be of any worth, if you get me. not much penetration. Do it n see how you get on. thats how i learnt bro!

 

[BET]

What he's trying to say is, when you flip, keep training through alot of or most of the stretch, your 150 would prolly serve you a little better penetration wise.

if you let em go now, then the Scrog/screen is nothing more than a support, not really the point of doing a Scrog. But as your set on keeping the colas position as they are, let them go n see how you get on. ill say you'll end up with 14-18" colas, which only the top 6" or so will be of any worth, if you get me. not much penetration. Do it n see how you get on. thats how i learnt bro!

Ah I see, well, in that case I'll see how well I can do it. My concern is that I am running out of space to train them unless I consider super cropping to drastically change the direction the stems are growing in. I already have some of the main stems at the edges poking up about 5", and they aren't easy to re-train. Maybe there isn't a magic fix lol, I expect the first thing I'll take from this grow is that for the 150W HPS, don't leave 15"+ of space between the screen and the medium because its basically had too much space to veg under there which is why I'm finding training tougher now.

I'm flipping to 12/12 tonight, and I'll do my best to keep training. If you have any tips on how to train the outter stems that n00b here doesn't think I can train much more, I'm all ears. You've been there and done that and I'm not naive enough to disregard your opinion, which is why I posted in the first place hehe. I'll do my best to train them, hell, I might even be able to just LST them a bit using some wire to keep the buggers down at a manageable height.

 

[BET]

...and I completely understand you when you talk about tall cola's but only the top few inches will be any good. That will also make them top heavy and possibly hard to keep standing upright under their own weight.

Something else I'd not considered until just now. . .

Q. Rather than pull back down and pop through another hole, can I bend the tip of the stem so that it stays under the screen and tie it in place, thereby forcing it to stay under the screen and grow at a different angle? That makes sense in my head. I like having to think about these things and trial and error is the best way to learn for yourself.


Cheers

BET

 

[BET]

DAMN YOU DOUBLE POST!!!!1

 

[Scrogerman]

pull the stems back under the screen through the same hole they grew up through(once there 2-4"(depends on screen hole size), re-positions to new hole further along & pull back up so the branch/lateral now sits @1/2(half an inch above), just keep rotating your training branches.
If you had a little most experience & your stems are a bit stiff & your worried about breaking them, then id rub the stem between my index finger n thumb(360@bend point), very vigorously, causing friction & helping to make the bend point a bit more playable(do it for a good few minutes), but that technique takes practice, but from what youve shown me it looks like it'll be ok. now your up & training under & into the screen.

im not the best at explainations at the best of times but i hope this helps. G'Luck~!

btw, fixing to the screen is fine(do it myself), just make sure you keep an eye when re-position. dont panik if you snap a couple i usually do!¬

 

[Scrogerman]

look @ this Scrog, screen was set silly high 18 or 22" lmao, still worked out ok! ish(wasnt my doing i was trying to teach a grow buddy)
ended up doing alot more than my fair share! as you can see it still gets the job done even set high, just lose veg time really, n theres other pros n cons too!




type stuff lol!

 

[BET]

pull the stems back under the screen through the same hole they grew up through(once there 2-4"(depends on screen hole size), re-positions to new hole further along & pull back up so the branch/lateral now sits @1/2(half an inch above), just keep rotating your training branches.
If you had a little most experience & your stems are a bit stiff & your worried about breaking them, then id rub the stem between my index finger n thumb(360@bend point), very vigorously, causing friction & helping to make the bend point a bit more playable(do it for a good few minutes), but that technique takes practice, but from what youve shown me it looks like it'll be ok. now your up & training under & into the screen.

im not the best at explainations at the best of times but i hope this helps. G'Luck~!

btw, fixing to the screen is fine(do it myself), just make sure you keep an eye when re-position. dont panik if you snap a couple i usually do!¬

Ah right, I get your explanation. Seems like I will be able to bend it around more then. Thanks for the info


Those pics are great, really bushy!


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[BET]

Just a quick update. The flip was on the 14th, Sunday, and all is going well. I've been able to still point the new growth places I didn't think I'd have space for. Because, the new growth is till supple and easy to move around. I did snap the main stems growth at the top 3 or 4" but I'm confident that it will heal in a couple of days time. Things are looking good, and smelling nice.

My camera ended up breaking. It really was on its last legs. For some reason the HPS messes with my phone camera and I get really banded pics. Any ideas on that? I may google ftw.

Cheers

BET

 

[LokiLoki]

Fix a new camera damnit!
I want those pictures

I just started a scrog right now so i'm learning a lot from this thread, thank you
And don't worry about breaking the stem, it be for the good!

I remember breaking a big bang when LSTing and that one produced a lot bigger buds then the rest.

Looking forward to the flowerpictures!

Happy growing!

 

[BET]

I'll get some up asap. Its looking pretty sweet so far. I have some Canna Terra Flores on order for the flowering as well

Thanks for stopping by.


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[BET]

I have new pics. Just downloading Gimp to process them in and resize. I usually use the remarkably useful MS Picture Viewer for that, but my laptop doesn't have it installed and I am not at home. But Galaxy S and Laptop mean I can up them from anywhere, so they will be posted shortly.


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[BET]

Nice even canopy.



Curiosity got the better of me. I super cropped. It really did help with the height of the outer branches, and since its recovered I've seen a massive increase in growth on those shoots. You can literally look at the growth above the screen and tell which branches were cropped.



Massive grow bucket. Probably over 10 gallons



Filling up nice



....nice!



Looking healthy



Light box nice and close



Box of nails counter weighing the light box by a few cm's, meaning that light is hitting the back of the cab as well. Previously it missed the very back because of where it is placed (slightly closer to the front of the cab).





Day 6 of flower, and I'm starting to see little white pistils already.

Will post moar soon. Still waiting on Canna Terra Flores to turn up so I can really get this girl moving.


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