A cut and past from the tea thread where I was getting little too far off subject...
I'll read Fukoka next week and try to grasp his rational.
If you're adding small amounts of poop you're still adding fertilizer. The chickens have to be feed. Sure they will eat the bugs flying in but then the bugs have to be feed as well. You are just not a completely closed system. If I bring in feed, I'm borrowing energy from another's land and paying it back to the cities. We both lose as they flush it out into the ocean or concentrate it underground.. Ultimately it needs replacement at the supply side.
Forgive me. I had to drive to the city and back yesterday putting my mind in a weird place.Originally Posted by h.h.![]()
Still you can't take out more than you take in. I said closed loop meaning if nothing goes out, nothing needs to come in. While monocropping is the greater culprit with just about everything going out it's not exclusive.
My definition of "fertilizer" includes anything that directly adds nutes, such as manure.
I guess I could include the whole universe in my concept except we have left relatively little in space while truckload after truckload of nutrition is removed daily from the soil and shipped to the infertile cities. We maintain the balance with chemical ferts. Only when we stop exporting off our land and balance out the nutrition load will we start to entertain the thought of easing our dependence.
Only when the cities have turned to compost.
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hh, you are confused. just because you don't add does not mean nothing is added. you are confusing nature and fertilizing. in nature farming, fertilizer is at an absolute minimum, for instance fukuoka throwing chicken poop here and there in his rice field.
it used to be that farming improved land year by year. There is enough fertility to support "infertile cities". __________________
I'll read Fukoka next week and try to grasp his rational.
If you're adding small amounts of poop you're still adding fertilizer. The chickens have to be feed. Sure they will eat the bugs flying in but then the bugs have to be feed as well. You are just not a completely closed system. If I bring in feed, I'm borrowing energy from another's land and paying it back to the cities. We both lose as they flush it out into the ocean or concentrate it underground.. Ultimately it needs replacement at the supply side.