*The K.I.S.S. Method*

[Guest 18340]

These guys got the simple stupid stuff wrong. 1270+ post of wrong info! Then insist it's correct to make it that much more difficult.

Nothing difficult in understanding that 7 grams of Maxibloom per gallon is near the equivalent of the Lucas formula. That is what this thread is about.
For me, when I use my teaspoon, a full level scoop is weighs 6.90 grams. As shwon in the pic
Whether your teaspoon or the one that comes in the bag weighs out to 7 grams or not, the point is that (once again) a powdered version of the Lucas formula using Maxibloom is 7 grams.
Nothing difficult.
If you want to use 5 grams, go for it.

 

[gdtrfb]

this all sorta seems tangential as hell, but...i also don't even use a measuring spoon.

i figure that's what the meter is for. i want the EC i'm after, spoons and scales really never entered into it.

 

[RebelGrow]

ditto gdtrfb....but it's good to know for those that may not use a EC meter.

 

[heatherlonglee]

What you have is a 6.9 gram spoon, rather useful. It may even say tsp but its wrong, please stop calling it a tsp and the confusion will be less.

 

[Guest 18340]

I just weighed 3 different tsp's, a KitchenAid brand, a Faberware brand and the green one in the Maxi bag.
KitchenAid, 6.48
Faberware (the one I always use), 6.90
Green spoon, 5.79.
Could it be the cheap plastic spoon is off?
Also the only thing I know of that weighs 5 grams in a tsp is water. Maxibloom is dense and will weigh more.

 

[tester]

FYI, the lucas website says to use 7 g of MB per G. I just level off my tsp with my finger and dump it in my jug. No problems.

Mate, if you do that you'll get about 5 grams instead of 7, that's what we're talking about.

Maybe if you heap it like hell then it might reach 7 grams, but a standard leveled teaspoon of maxibloom will never be 7 grams.

volume and weight are not one in the same in this instance. Meaning, if you weigh out 5.35 grams, then pour it into a tsp, it will fall short of physically filling that tsp.

Evlme2: I assume your friggin teaspoon is bigger than the standard man. I ask you for the 3rd time :
Please, could you check it?
Like fill it with water and weigh it, or use a syringe and check how many mls can it hold? Or how about an actual picture with that scoop filled with maxibloom on a scale to see how big is that heap?

These guys got the simple stupid stuff wrong. 1270+ post of wrong info! Then insist it's correct to make it that much more difficult.

Some guys might use 5 grams instead of 7g without their knowledge, thats all. This might or might not lead to nute deficiencies, and this "5 instead of 7 grams" could be an answer.

 

[heatherlonglee]

Gdtrfb thanks for the vocab word of the day! I love new words. Yes somewhat of a tangent. lol I do feel this is relevant to the 1270+ posts though. Very relevant in my opinion. These post are mainly about coco growing. Well under fertilizing every day or every other for 9 weeks will affect your grow, your loosing some of the main benefits of using coco if you underfeed every time. Also not trying to be rude or rock the boat here. Original poster on post #1 and #3 and evlme2 post #10 say on first page 1tsp gal. Thats wrong! I can't just be like it's cool the most simple method is wrong from the first post.

 

[gdtrfb]

Gdtrfb thanks for the vocab word of the day! I love new words. Yes somewhat of a tangent. lol I do feel this is relevant to the 1270+ posts though. Very relevant in my opinion. These post are mainly about coco growing. Well under fertilizing every day or every other for 9 weeks will affect your grow, your loosing some of the main benefits of using coco if you underfeed every time. Also not trying to be rude or rock the boat here. Original poster on post #1 and #3 and evlme2 post #10 say on first page 1tsp gal. Thats wrong! I can't just be like it's cool the most simple method is wrong from the first post.

i dunno, the level tsp that comes with the maxibloom at 1 per gallon is still way too hot by my standards (whether it weighs 5, 7, or eleventeen grams), but...then again, i'm also using DWC.

i guess if nothing else, that 'one size fits all applications' approach is as much a goal as it is a fantasy. i have plants in my singular garden who react different (in the same growing method) to differing nute strengths....to think that differing methods/plants/etc will all react to the same nute strength in different people's gardens....well, i guess i said what i really mean already. by my reckoning, a meter (and paying attention to what that meter and your plants tell you at the same time) is essential - i could see trying to get by without one, but i could also see a lot of other shortcuts that are more hassle than they're worth, too.

 

[Guest 18340]

 

[tester]

So do you say your scoops are standard 5 ml ones? Why don't you want to check it?

 

[heatherlonglee]

One of the first and main principles (posted by Lucas himself) of the Lucas Method is water with full strength nutes. Any chance moisture may have gotten in your bag of Maxi?

 

[smoke1sun]

evlme2 dont waste your time with this nonsense. I dont need to see your measuring spoon Ive seen your plants.

Have anyone who is questioning how many grams in evlme2's spoon, grown with this method?

Are evlme2's plants not healthy? They look great to me.

Think about it. Every person who measure's anything in life has the chance to get different amounts.

Keep growing evlme2, and let your plants keep doing the talking.

 

[Guest 18340]

So do you say your scoops are standard 5 ml ones? Why don't you want to check it?

Check what?
I've showed you pics yet still not good enough for you?
That last set of pics was taken 5 minutes ago. I stand by what I showed you.

 

[heatherlonglee]

A synopsis for all. It's 7grams Maxi Bloom per gallon. Not 1tsp per gallon! The tsp's seem to be of varying quality, and consistency? Be aware that yours may be wrong. The tsp that comes with the Maxi seems to be fairly accurate, so use it to check your other tsp's. Check with scale if you have one, if you have a 7gram spoon (it's not a tsp) thats actually great. The info regarding feeding levels starting on the first page and many hundreds of subsequent pages is wrong.

 

[tester]

Let's say a tsp of dry MB is 5.7g while the wet powder is 6.9g. This would be 21% higroscopic water and would look like a mush. It could be contributing to the difference, but this alone cant cause it.


Evlme2: fill spoons with water, check their weight or even better their volume with a syringe to close out the scale. Dgr's highest amount was 5.7 while the lowest was 5g with the same type of spoon (the one came with maxibloom) u measured 5.7, if we add a little hygroscopic water then thats about ok. The other 2 spoons might be off the scale. Even GH states that 1 tsp is 5g Mb.

 

[Guest 18340]

I will agree that my teaspoon may be off, compared to others.
So let's fore warn people to check what there particular teaspoon weigh's out.
We're looking for 7 grams per gal.
I never ever use the green spoon because it weighed out significantly less than my other spoons.
I agree that the green tsp weigh's out to 5.75, I weighed it myself.
7 grams folks, no matter what spoon you use, 7 grams.
Is this whole thread wrong? No. It's been mentioned throughout that it's 7 gram for the Lucas formula. What was wrong is assuming all spoons measure/weigh out the same or to 7 grams.

 

[stoney-trees]

Perhaps someones pebbles are smaller? lol Perhaps someone is Pushing them down a bit more? Perhaps more moisture in some?

Im going to be getting some this week some time and I will let yall know what My scale says. I suggest everyone do the same. Weigh it and dont ask.

 

[dgr]

Nice teaspoon evl. I tried my cheap walmart spoon. It came out at 6.4 g. For S&G, I floated a test tube with 5g of maxibloom in it. I floated the same test tube with 5 ml of water. The tube settled at the same height.

Can someone point me to a NIST traceable graduated cylinder marked in teaspoons? I want to get serious with this.

It's been mentioned throughout that it's 7 gram for the Lucas formula.
Yeah but it sure was a fun ride.

 

[SuperSizeMe]

Yeah but it sure was a fun ride.

That coupled with the fact that there are no 'turn-key' solutions to growing without experience, commonsense and understanding of the plant and it's growth cycles.

Another words, just because the method is easy, doesn't let anyone off the hook from doing their homework.

That being said, there is no easier method(once you've put in the work) that I've found for my style of growing trees

I think all this talk of micrograms is nonsense and a tad pointless really.Never been one to get caught in minor details,I'd rather hash it out during my grow so I can actually understand cause and effect....

 

[Green lung]

A scoop here, 2 scoops there seems to work for me