ancestry.cannabis.org, lol...
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There's a whole website of family trees like these for hundreds of strains, but I'm not able to post the link here.
You can track it down in google, and I think it's probably OK if I say that it is on an .eu domain.
thanks and yes i know about it. it is one of the resources i use to find this stuff.
working on it...
it's complicated
very complicated.
this is gonna make a nice poster to hang in your grow room jm420
good job your half way there ,i would like to add its "pinky's"cut and also a certaian breeder passed the project over to outlaw who came out with the sought after F3"s.I attempted to do what your doing and started here,was way to much for me .Good job .And you may be up for 1 if peeps keep throwing names at you
So tell me how do you know the lineage of JH??
and how do you know if the seeds that gave birth to Princess etc were F2s?? or hybrid ..or S1s??
and why icmag in the title????
anything i have posted here comes from the web, in this order...
1. a list i collected here on ICMAG. Over 1400 strains listed.
2. an unnamed web site w/database
3. other cannabis forums
4. seed retailers
you can remove the icmag part of the title if you like, it was just a joke...
So tell me how do you know the lineage of JH??
and how do you know if the seeds that gave birth to Princess etc were F2s?? or hybrid ..or S1s??
and why icmag in the title????
If you are referring to the C99 discussion with Jack Herer and Princes/Genius. The information is from direct posts of Mr Soul from Brothers Grimm explaining to his best the genetics behind it. It was Jack Herer bud bought from Sensi Smile coffee shop in the Dam, that they found the seeds. So it is the Sensi Jack Herer genetics most likely (You still sell Sensi's Jack Herer although it might be a different batch of seeds or parents. Of course this is second hand, but it is a verbatim quoting of the 1st hand perspectives take on the situation. +Respect =]
Here is the quote from the man himself, Mr. Soul of Bros. Grimm:
I’ve been seeing a lot of posts from people asking for the “Cinderella Story”, so here it is:
In 1997, I discovered a few seeds in a bud of Jack Herer I bought @ “Sensi Smile” coffeeshop in Amsterdam while there to buy seeds. I didn’t expect much when I grew them, but one of those seeds from the JH bud produced a very special female that I call “Princess”.
Therefore Princess’ mother was a Jack Herer (IF we can believe what Sensi Smile printed on the package) and her father is a totally unidentified mystery plant.
I also got 2 more females (Genius & Cafe’Girl) & several males from those seeds. I used pollen from one of the males on a heavy-yielding, dense, resinous ShivaSkunk (from Sensi Seedbank) female, then grew the resulting seeds to get males to produce pollen to cross Princess with, beginning the cubing process.
The first generation of seeds from Princess were called P.50 because they were 50% Princess. I used males from the P.50 generation to back-cross to Princess to get P.75 and again back-crossed with the P.75 pollen to get P.88 and again with the P.88 pollen to get P.94 which is “Cinderella 99″, a cubed version of Princess.
The name “Cinderella” was chosen because of the parallels between this story and the well-known fairy tale in which Cinderella becomes a Princess despite her humble beginning. It’s also VERY similar to the story of the “Morgan Horse”…go Figure
I ALWAYS see preflowers between the age of 4 and 6 weeks. Node 6 is commonly where they start, so I’d say you’re probably seeing them. The plants that show first are usually males. Look over each plant carefully, using a loupe. If you see a preflower at such an early age, it’ll most likely be male, but be SURE before culling it. If you can’t find a preflower on a plant, while most of the others HAVE shown… it’s most likely a female. Isn’t that uniformity NICE? Cinderella 99 is a STABLE strain. Cinderella 88 was close, but this generation is there.
(Cinderella needs odor control?) I don’t know if it helps you, but the scent is very sweet and fruity. It won’t “fool” anyone who’s familiar with MJ, but the average person might not recognize the scent as pot. They start to smell after 3 weeks of 12/12 and they’re harvested 4 weeks later, so the SHORT flowering cycle helps a bit by lessening the amount of time your garden “stinks”.
Yields are highly dependant on the methods used. Pruning style and number of plants/area make a BIG difference. I get about 2 lbs every 50 days under 2kW. I grow a combination of bushes and single-cola clones (about 12-20 of ‘em) in 2 gallon pots of organic soil, feeding them “teas” of dissolved worm castings, PSG, high phosphorus bat guano and kelp meal. My yields are average at best. Professional growers write me saying they get 2lbs/kW, which I’m sure is true.
The scent given off by Cinderella is NOT the typical “pot stench”…not at all skunky -she’s sweet and fruity. Someone passing by the flowering room MIGHT not recognize the scent as pot and mistake it for tropical flowers. When you rub the resin you can definitely smell it. C-99 is more “psychedelic”… I think that’s what you’re looking for eh? Just be sure to smoke a LITTLE, wait 10 minutes, then think about whether or not you need any more…it’s easy to over-indulge and become paranoid.
Haze is my favourite high. Very “trippy” C-99 is has more of the Haze type of high because the mother (Princess), has that kind of high and each time I back-cross to her the next generation gets a bit more of it. Smoking PURE Princess buds is a bit scary… it’s too “speedy” and paranoia-inducing for most people. But she’s so RESINOUS (see photo) and her flavour is just so delicious and fruity that I knew back-crossing her to her offspring over several generations would create a strain which is actually BETTER than the original mother in terms of a more PLEASING high. It was successful beyond my expectations.
The progression I went through was:
P.50 = Princess/(ShivaSkunk/Princess’Brother)
P.75 = Princess/P.50
Cinderella 88 = Princess/P.75
Cinderella 99 = Princess/Cinderella 88
Each generation exhibited a MAJOR jump in potency: P.50 was rather mellow, P.75 has a well-balanced body/mind high with a citrus flavour, Cinderella 88 is cerebral and paralyzing with a tropical fruit flavour, and Cinderella 99 is “TRIP WEED” with more of the fruity flavour and speedy effect from Princess.
C-99 will be a bigger yielder and faster finisher (than D/T) – which I personally think makes more sense to begin a grow with. If you’re growing under 1000W lamps, you should easily get a pound of C-99 per lamp after a 7 week flowering period. When you have all the weed you need and can take your time waiting for a long-flowering Sativa, THEN start those “extra” beans (included in your order)… I don’t know what the Bros Grimm sent you, but it’s NOT Durban/Thai. I’m still developing it, so they won’t see it for about 6 months.
Thanks for noticing her she IS beautiful! Cafe’Girl is a sister of “Princess” – Princess is the mother of the Cinderella series. Cafe’Girl smells like a combination of ginger, orange and cream… kinda smells like a “Creamsicle” -you know those ice cream bars? She has the highest YIELD of the 3 Sisters (Princess, Genius and Cafe’Girl). Cafe’Girl makes HUGE, DENSE, SPARKLING buds with a lovely high. A really sweet high, in that you never feel paranoid and it continues to “creep up” over the first 15 minutes after you smoke, leaving you feeling warm and at peace with life. Bros Grimm may offer an hybrid of Cafe’Girl when enough testing of her offspring has been completed.
Sure, I’d be glad to answer your q’s:
1. I flower clones when they’re about a foot tall and they double in height during flowering.
2. They clone SUPER EASY.
3. Crossing Cindy 88’s will you a variety of phenotypes… they’re not stable. Cindy 99 IS STABLE.
4. The seeds are small, tan in colour and “speckled” not striped. If you ordered from either Bros.Grimm or Heaven’s Stairway you WON’T get ripped off…but I’ll describe the plants: As seedlings they’re fast-growing, Indica-dominant with fairly wide leaves. They show preflowers @ 5-6 weeks old WITHOUT FAIL. They NEVER herm, so if the preflowers have pistils, it’s FEMALE forever. They flower RAPIDLY – you probably won’t believe how fat and dense and frosty they’ll be @ 4-5 weeks 12/12. The flower/leaf is EXTREMELY high; the tops of the colas go NUTS at about 5 weeks into flowering, sending braid-like floral cluster projections out in all directions without any leaves. Just before that happens, hundreds of SNOW WHITE pistils make the tip of the colas look like they’re wearing fur caps! The resin production is HEAVY (again, you won’t believe it), a HEAVENLY scent of tropical fruit and berries begins to fill the room @ 3 weeks of 12/12 and just keeps getting more overpowering ’til they’re done. The finished smoke is the type of high that keeps you UP; it’s very cerebral – the only body effect is the “jitters”. I certainly wouldn’t recommend it to anyone looking to “mellow out” on the sofa, BUT if you wanted to smoke before going running or cycling – PERFECT!
I smoked C-88 one eve after trying Silver Haze and the C-88 buzz cut RIGHT THROUGH the high of the Haze so badly that my wife asked me, “what did you do?… smoke too much?” The flavour is just like the scent; fruity and sweet…not at all hashy (not that there’s anything WRONG with that!…heehee.
Outdoors, Apollo 13 and Cinderella 88 will finish before October 15th at 43 degrees north lattitude.
If you liked NL#5/Haze, you’ll like C-99 too. It’s got a sweet, fruity taste and some of that “paranoia inducing” effect, very cerebral and speedy. The major advantages of C-99 over the old Haze x NL#5 from the original seed bank are rapid maturation and bigger yield. The highs and flavours are “different” but in the same class."
ok, no problem, please remove icmag from the title...
thanks
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That thread needs a revision imVho ...to much bs
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That thread needs a revision imVho ...to much bs
I agree there is a lot of BS and false genetic information on that list. Look at the Sour Diesel for instance, they wrote 5 different crosses and none of them are even close to accurate.
However, I'm not trying to say i support that big list and that it's the final word or objective truth of the matter on genetic accuracy. All I was commenting on was that princess, genius and cafegirl were found by Mr Soul from a bag of cannabis Labeled "Jack Herer" at the Sensi Smile Shop in dam. Maybe Sensi seeds mislabeled, mis-packaged, or mis-reprented what was in it. It's possible. They said the father that went into the Jack Herer was a "totally unidentified mystery plant". I'm just curious why Sensi would be selling a possible hybrid of JH as actual Jack Herer. I wonder if Sense Seeds ever helped clear all of this up, given the year it was bought?
You are right that the JH bud with the seeds could have easily been a F2, S1 or even a hybrid of JH with something completely unrelated - Sensi Seeds would have to be the one to clear that up.
Maybe the genetic listing should say "Assuming this was properly labeled Jack Herer" since it was nug purchased from from the actual breeding company themselves - which thankfully you stock on your shelves. The purchase I'm refering to couldn't be in the terms of any competition with icmag since the website does not sell bud - since its obviously illegal to mail it to almost any part of the world. But basically it is assumed to be Sensi Seed's genetic background for JH in the mix in some way, whether an straight JH Pheno, Bx, or outcross.
Maybe there should be a disclaimer on those genetic diagrams, explaining that it isn't always fully known the precursors of breeding that led to the seed which expressed a certain pheno. There is a grey area between the backcrossing/outcrossing that goes into a strain prior to it being found in a bud at a coffee shop under the same name as previous generations or versions of the same strain.
