Laboratory Grade Warehouse

[desertsquirrel]

Please tell me you are not using chemical nutes? I love seeing these "laboratory grade" grows, but then they use chemicals to grow them. I guess these really are "pharmaceutical grade" grows after all.

Every single "laboratory grade" grow I see in Colorado is done with chemical nutes. It is no different then the drug companies selling chemical drugs. I thought the point was a natural alternative medicine to big pharma's shit pills. I guess not. Colorado has come so far as to show us what the future really is going to be like. It is not going to be pretty. Grow your own! Fuck Chemicals.

The setup is done well. It is on par with a lot of what is going on up there. I hate the camera systems. It just doesn't make sense, but you do have to follow the law. Great looking grow.

Thanks for the kind words and thoughtful response. Im glad you brought up the subject.

At this warehouse we use both chemical and organic nutrient lines. Both have a place in proper plant nutrition. However the fact that they are organic or chemical is not of great significance to me seeing as plants can ONLY uptake Inorganic elements in their most simple ionic form. Organic nutes MUST be mineralized in order to be uptaken.

Which "chemical" is it that you are worried about having negative impacts on the health of the user? We are not providing any chemicals outside of the 18 essential plant elements, all of which are being uptaken naturally (inorganic as well as organic) in ecosystems all over the world.

Would it make you feel better to call them minerals rather then chemicals? I dont see why decomposed rock would be so much worse the decomposed organic material. Can you break it down for me please?

I am very interested in your response.

 

[desertsquirrel]

That's gotta suck weighin out lbs on that thing.

HAHA. you have no idea.

 

[ajc0k]

Very nice, major props! That live feed would make me feel uncomfortable and violated. Cops watching live, yikes! My grow room is my own little special place, i love the secrecy of it!

 

[Ty Hayes]

OH MY GOD.

 

[Slangheat]

Very nice, major props! That live feed would make me feel uncomfortable and violated. Cops watching live, yikes! My grow room is my own little special place, i love the secrecy of it!

Too true...

I think it's obvious not much can get this guy down though... must take some major determination to get a spot goin like that.

Major Respect DS!

 

[OrganicOzarks]

Thanks for the kind words and thoughtful response. Im glad you brought up the subject.

At this warehouse we use both chemical and organic nutrient lines. Both have a place in proper plant nutrition. However the fact that they are organic or chemical is not of great significance to me seeing as plants can ONLY uptake Inorganic elements in their most simple ionic form. Organic nutes MUST be mineralized in order to be uptaken.

Which "chemical" is it that you are worried about having negative impacts on the health of the user? We are not providing any chemicals outside of the 18 essential plant elements, all of which are being uptaken naturally (inorganic as well as organic) in ecosystems all over the world.

Would it make you feel better to call them minerals rather then chemicals? I dont see why decomposed rock would be so much worse the decomposed organic material. Can you break it down for me please?

I am very interested in your response.

I would be interested to see what you were using for nutes. Could you tell me what brand, and what products you are using? I would like to add that your argument sounds a lot like the Fed's argument for Marinol. If you truly believe what you say then there is no way that you can grow MJ because there is Marinol, and it is just as good as MJ. Maybe not. MAybe you are waiting for Sativex to hit the Market in the US, and then you will stop growing MJ. Maybe not. I talk with a lot of large growers in Co., and all of them use chemical nutes in Hydro. For some reason they say it is the only way to do it on such a large scale. Take a trip to your local garden center (which is a larger scale then most growers in Co), and you will see that it can be done organically on a massive scale. Or you can go to Northern Cali, and check out some of their large indoor grows. Organic works on a large scale. I will admit that I am biased to organics. I eat an all organic diet, and only smoke organically grown herb. I really am not trying to start anything with you at all. Your grow is set up amazingly. I just can't figure out why Co is going this direction with their grows. Honestly it scares me. What are the long term effects of smoking chemical grown nute laden buds? After 30 or 40 years will there be a mass problem with cancer, or any other diseases? I know for a fact that food has been grown "safely" for thousands of years using organic growing methods. I know for a fact that it is not necessary to introduce chemicals into a vegetable grow, or an MJ grow. We can both agree that these two things are true. Right? So why are people introducing chemicals where they are not needed? That is what I am trying to figure out. If you can sell me on that then I will convert to using chemicals. (not really. there is no way in hell I would ever do it) I really do love your setup, but it is true that this movement was about getting away from Big Pharma, and Co. is doing the same thing as Big Pharma. So waht was the point of this movement? Seems to me people just wanted get get high, and make money.

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

nice setup man what kinda cages are those??/ can you buy them or are they self made?

 

[gettogro]

Looks awesome... Where do you get the cage material for your UC's. I need something with larger openings for my trees. The only thing I could find at the depot has 3x5 openings.

 

[mr cheese]

I would be interested to see what you were using for nutes. Could you tell me what brand, and what products you are using? I would like to add that your argument sounds a lot like the Fed's argument for Marinol. If you truly believe what you say then there is no way that you can grow MJ because there is Marinol, and it is just as good as MJ. Maybe not. MAybe you are waiting for Sativex to hit the Market in the US, and then you will stop growing MJ. Maybe not. I talk with a lot of large growers in Co., and all of them use chemical nutes in Hydro. For some reason they say it is the only way to do it on such a large scale. Take a trip to your local garden center (which is a larger scale then most growers in Co), and you will see that it can be done organically on a massive scale. Or you can go to Northern Cali, and check out some of their large indoor grows. Organic works on a large scale. I will admit that I am biased to organics. I eat an all organic diet, and only smoke organically grown herb. I really am not trying to start anything with you at all. Your grow is set up amazingly. I just can't figure out why Co is going this direction with their grows. Honestly it scares me. What are the long term effects of smoking chemical grown nute laden buds? After 30 or 40 years will there be a mass problem with cancer, or any other diseases? I know for a fact that food has been grown "safely" for thousands of years using organic growing methods. I know for a fact that it is not necessary to introduce chemicals into a vegetable grow, or an MJ grow. We can both agree that these two things are true. Right? So why are people introducing chemicals where they are not needed? That is what I am trying to figure out. If you can sell me on that then I will convert to using chemicals. (not really. there is no way in hell I would ever do it) I really do love your setup, but it is true that this movement was about getting away from Big Pharma, and Co. is doing the same thing as Big Pharma. So waht was the point of this movement? Seems to me people just wanted get get high, and make money.

you obviously have no idea what it takes to run a show like this..
do you knw how much its cost to set up and what the running cost involved are? obviously not or you would never made your original comment.

as for saying go look at a garden centre to see it can be done organically, get a grip will ya,
for one most plants in a garden centre are low maintenance and 2 do you honestly believe garden centres only use organic feed? yer right.

now id also like to here your response to the question put to you about mineral vs organic feed??
as your argument doesnt hold up at all.. you say your worried what these " chem" feeds will show in 30 to 40 years.
well look at it this way, 40 years ago do you honestly believe the people growing commercially then were only using organic feed? of course they wasnt yet we have no reported cases of cancer from the oh so terrible chemical weed!

stricks me your just a tad jealous no??

like i say until youv ran a grow of this size dnt even bother saying youd only grow organically, as belive me it just isnt a viable option..
id also like to see some evidence that mineral feed is bad for us as im sure its not...

DESERTSQUIREL ... dont listen to the jealous haters, i knw exactly what it takes setting up a big show and let me tell you now your doing a sterling job! keep it up bud!!! all the best.. c

 

[Tactician]

NICE utility room, wish I was the sparky who built your lighting controllers and panels. Is there more pix of your electrical room.

 

[OrganicOzarks]

you obviously have no idea what it takes to run a show like this..
do you knw how much its cost to set up and what the running cost involved are? obviously not or you would never made your original comment.

as for saying go look at a garden centre to see it can be done organically, get a grip will ya,
for one most plants in a garden centre are low maintenance and 2 do you honestly believe garden centres only use organic feed? yer right.

now id also like to here your response to the question put to you about mineral vs organic feed??
as your argument doesnt hold up at all.. you say your worried what these " chem" feeds will show in 30 to 40 years.
well look at it this way, 40 years ago do you honestly believe the people growing commercially then were only using organic feed? of course they wasnt yet we have no reported cases of cancer from the oh so terrible chemical weed!

stricks me your just a tad jealous no??

like i say until youv ran a grow of this size dnt even bother saying youd only grow organically, as belive me it just isnt a viable option..
id also like to see some evidence that mineral feed is bad for us as im sure its not...

DESERTSQUIREL ... dont listen to the jealous haters, i knw exactly what it takes setting up a big show and let me tell you now your doing a sterling job! keep it up bud!!! all the best.. c

No one is jealous at all. Where I am everyone grows organic. It is a way of life. People do it on a large scale. Way bigger than this grow. I am not hating. I am not jealous. Don't be so quick to judge. I was not talking about food grown for the standard grocery store. 40 years ago there were many people growing organic food for consumer consumption. It might not have been at every grocery store, but it was available. I can take you to many organic farms within 5 miles from where I am right now. Some are certified organic, and others don't feel they need the certification. Some grow food, and some grow smoke. Again don't be so quick to judge. we are talking about different lifestyle choices. Me and my community have decided that it is important to stay away from Chemicals as much as possible. Especially when it comes to food, and smoke. I would also like to point out that America is one of the fattest most unhealthy Countries in the world. That is a direct relationship between us and our food. When mass adoption of "bad" agriculture, and farming practices became the norm, we ended up fat, and unhealthy. I choose to eat an all organic, vegetarian diet. So do a lot of the people in my community. Just like you choose to use chemicals to grow your plants with. If we look at the history of farming in America, and we apply that to MJ in 40 years, I do believe you will see what the end result is going to be. Only time will tell. I am not going to risk it. Again, when it is not needed why use chemical nutes? Yields, speed up growth, bug suppression? They all point to making more money, faster.

P.S. I do know how much it takes to run a show like that. That actually has nothing to do with what I am talking about though. I find it weird that money is brought up. I will point to my last sentence.

 

[desertsquirrel]

Im very curious which chemical you are worried about?

As i said before plants can only uptake inorganic elements in their most simple ionic form. Organic nutrients must be mineralized in order to be available at all.

Why is decomposed rock the devil?

 

[Shafto]

OrganicOzarks,

You're right about the food industry being completely fuct. That has absolutely 100% nothing to do with chemical fertilizer though. The only problems with chemical fertilizers is that they always end up leeching into the surrounding soil or water and create outbreaks of algae or some other flora which imbalances the surrounding ecosystem.

People don't even know what they're talking about when they say "organic", it's just a marketing term these days. The big deal is what pesticides and herbicides were used on the crop, and this is usually where the "organic" produce is a lot better. The genetic modification is scary too. Organics are also better for the surrounding environment and more sustainable, but definitely do make more any sort of "cleaner" or "chemical free" produce, this is where you're completely mistaken OrganicOzarks.

I would in fact beg to differ that crops grown with high quality pure salt nutes, or "chemical" as you call them, would be much more pure than a crop grown in some "organic" mercury filled fish emulsion full of tons of things that your plants don't need, some of them bad, like mercury. Pure salt nutes won't have anything bad in them, only the salts the plant is going to uptake, which are the same salts it will also uptake in an organic system, it will just have less access to them, you will have less control, and your plant will be sitting in 100's of unknown other chemicals littered in our environment like yummy mercury.

So I don't mean to be rude, but give your head a shake man, you're way off base here.

DS, looking good. I love how you spent the dough and went with digital ballasts. Nobody seems to do that here yet on the big ones.

 

[OrganicOzarks]

OrganicOzarks,

You're right about the food industry being completely fuct. That has absolutely 100% nothing to do with chemical fertilizer though. The only problems with chemical fertilizers is that they always end up leeching into the surrounding soil or water and create outbreaks of algae or some other flora which imbalances the surrounding ecosystem.

People don't even know what they're talking about when they say "organic", it's just a marketing term these days. The big deal is what pesticides and herbicides were used on the crop, and this is usually where the "organic" produce is a lot better. The genetic modification is scary too. Organics are also better for the surrounding environment and more sustainable, but definitely do make more any sort of "cleaner" or "chemical free" produce, this is where you're completely mistaken OrganicOzarks.

I would in fact beg to differ that crops grown with high quality pure salt nutes, or "chemical" as you call them, would be much more pure than a crop grown in some "organic" mercury filled fish emulsion full of tons of things that your plants don't need, some of them bad, like mercury. Pure salt nutes won't have anything bad in them, only the salts the plant is going to uptake, which are the same salts it will also uptake in an organic system, it will just have less access to them, you will have less control, and your plant will be sitting in 100's of unknown other chemicals littered in our environment like yummy mercury.

So I don't mean to be rude, but give your head a shake man, you're way off base here.

DS, looking good. I love how you spent the dough and went with digital ballasts. Nobody seems to do that here yet on the big ones.

Again I will beg to differ. The word organic is thrown around very loosely these days. I will agree with that. I have yet to meet an organic farmer that will use so much Fish emulsion that the mercury becomes a problem. Actually if you used that much the critters would be the problem. As they would be attracted to the smell, and eat your crops. Anything I say on here is from first hand experience from growing herb, food, myself, or from actually seeing it be done at many of the local organic farmers fields in my area. I am not repeating things that I have read only. Let me give you a run down of what you are dealing with.

I do not drink City water. I have a well. I will not use tooth paste with fluoride in it. I do not use a microwave oven. I do not eat anything with food coloring in it. I do not eat anything with high fructose corn syrup in it. I do not eat, or drink anything with caffeine in it. My one exception is the occasional chocolate. I do not eat any form of meat. I eat an entirely organic vegetable based diet. I have not eaten meat in 14 years. I have not had a Coke or the like in 13 years. I do not drink alcohol. I exercise daily. I only smoke herb with local friends that I know grow like I do. I try to eat very little dairy. when I do it is organic. I will not buy canned goods with a BPA lining. Only 1 Company in America has canned goods in a BPA free can. I have called most of the other organic Companies, and they admit that theirs has BPA in it. I try not to buy anything for growing premade in a bottle. I believe in using as many "raw" ingredients as possible. These could be guano's, worm castings, humic acid, alfalfa meal, DE, Perlite, green sand, lime, azomite, a bit of fish emulsion in my compost teas, mushroom compost, molasses, Mycho fungi, etc... The only thing i purchase that is premade is nitron a-35. I have personally spoken with the creator of it, and I know that it is completely organic. Other then that I mix my own soils, and make my own nutrients via tea's. I do not own a cell phone either. That one is hard for most people. I live what I say. I have been doing so for a long time. I do not just repeat things that I have read, or been told. The community that I live in is like me as well. To us all of these things are normal. We find it odd that you would want to put chemical nutes in your food or herb. If you look at the rate of disease in America you will find that it has steadily rose as we have been dumping shit into our food. Including animals. It doens't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. I will agree to disagree with you. As I believe we are both set in our ways.

I feel this thread has been steered away from it's original intent, and I apologize for this. This is a nice grow, and you obviously know what you are doing. I will keep looking at your posts, and updates. I will also quit posting in here as I have unintentionally taken over the thread.

 

[desertsquirrel]

Organic runoff is every bit as dangerous and as big of a problem as chemical run off.

but why do you keep ignoring my question? which chemical is it that is a problem?

BTW is the E (i assume by your post) you eat organic? I appologize if i am off base and very interested if one of my minerals is dangerous. however i have seen no data to indicate this.....

 

[OrganicOzarks]

Organic runoff is every bit as dangerous and as big of a problem as chemical run off.

but why do you keep ignoring my question? which chemical is it that is a problem?

BTW is the E (i assume by your post) you eat organic? I appologize if i am off base and very interested if one of my minerals is dangerous. however i have seen no data to indicate this.....

I can not answer your question unless you list what nutes you are using. That is why I have not answered.

When organic farming is done properly there is no dangerous levels of organic runoff. The only way that would happen is if you are using to many organic soil amendments. Also a 5 gallon bucket of properly made Compost tea can treat up to one acre of soil. There is no way that is going to have dangerous runoff.

 

[ninjagaiden]

edit: argue away!

 

[OrganicOzarks]

this really isnt the place to argue this boys both have their places and some areas grow more a certain way than others. it happens

I agree. It's like anything else in life; we are both right.

 

[mr cheese]

I can not answer your question unless you list what nutes you are using. That is why I have not answered.

When organic farming is done properly there is no dangerous levels of organic runoff. The only way that would happen is if you are using to many organic soil amendments. Also a 5 gallon bucket of properly made Compost tea can treat up to one acre of soil. There is no way that is going to have dangerous runoff.

lol.. so some "chem" nutes are ok then? if not surly it doesn't matter what brand he uses as you originally slated him for using "chem" nutes without even knwing what brand he uses. so by your argument all "chem" nutes are bad..

so the question still stands.. what are these "oh so terrible minerals"?? sorry chemicals??

you ask why it comes down to money? do i realy need to answer that?? what makes the wrold go around?? lol..

sorry for seeming harsh but you slated the guy for using mineral feed and provided not one reason why he shouldn't use them.. you say your worried about the health risks.. well name them.. fair enuf if hes using growth regulators like Ga3 ect then id agree but your stabdard mineral feed is not harmful at all.. unless you can show us otherwise??

 

[Shafto]

OrganicOzarks, I don't think you understand what organics really is, and are mostly just proud of yourself and a bit smug about how healthy and righteous you think you are for the way you live.

You remind me of a Christian missionary or something. Humans are omnivorous, we have sharp teeth for eating meet, that's how we have evolved, and the only reason why you can even subsist without meat is because of the modern world. This and the fact that you choose not to use a cellphone has absolutely nothing to do with anything, nor does your diet, so stop trying to convince us all how awesome you are please.

As soon as you understand that plants take up the same nutrients whether they're getting the salts from organic nutes, or you skip that step and just those exact salts straight in, makes no difference to the end product, except with organics there are also tons of other compounds present other than the ones the plants need, which could possibly pollute your end product. I know you like to ignore the mercury because it doesn't fit well with your mantra, too bad it doesn't work that way.