Donald Trump
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this pic is from member bob-hope with air pots using coco. after 2 weeks in these it's ready for a transplant. No problem.
Pot size and shape?
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im tellin you it has nothing to do with the shape of the pots, its just the fact that theres holes in the side for air pruning. same thing happens whenever a root is exposed to the air in any shaped pot.
Have you ever filled a hundred of them? And then emptied them when the grow was done?
Not everyone grows just a dozen or so plants...
yup I can imagine
In them air pots(just comparing) all you need to do is screw the green thing off. Very easy to transplant and clean.
Also - availability of air in smart pots doesn't seem as abundant as in air pots. I am sure that has some part to do in the rapidness with which plants grow in AirPots.
Don't get me wrong! Almost every pro in cali uses smartpots to grow his finest. Those are some great pots indeed!
Smart pots do seem to dominate the market, since the pots themselves(geo, smart,aero) have been on the market for a longer time, thus they are more popular.
Them air pots only came to the scene only maybe 4-7 years ago(not an exact estimate, but approximite), thus they are less popular.
Popularity however does not indicate most efficiency most of the time. Sometimes it does, but in my opinion(which is backed up by many sources of info) not in this particular case.
What size is the one in the pic?
Looks like about 3 Gallons?
On another note...why transplanting if using root pruning pots? Don't you think that kind of defeats the purpose of using root pruning pots!?
Well, I like to transplant my plants 2 times. That's due to my cycle setup.
I first plant my seeds/clones into very small plastic pots where they will have more comfort than in a bigger sized pot. Once they occupy those, I transplant them into my 1 litre air pots. After 1 liter it goes right to either 5 liters, or 12.5 depending on where the plant goes: scrog room or sog room of mine. I have 2 bloom rooms available currently(down from 4)
The reason I transplant to 1liter air pots first is because in my cycle schedule there is a time for the plant to get Defoliated heavily, yet grow vigorously untill getting transplanted and put to 12-12. Also my plants in those grow HUGE before getting transplanted and the time for all that does not take more than 2-3 weeks.
I first plant my seeds/clones into very small plastic pots where they will have more comfort than in a bigger sized pot. Once they occupy those, I transplant them into my 1 litre air pots. After 1 liter it goes right to either 5 liters, or 12.5 depending on where the plant goes: scrog room or sog room of mine. I have 2 bloom rooms available currently(down from 4)
The reason I transplant to 1liter air pots first is because in my cycle schedule there is a time for the plant to get Defoliated heavily, yet grow vigorously untill getting transplanted and put to 12-12. Also my plants in those grow HUGE before getting transplanted and the time for all that does not take more than 2-3 weeks.
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57x2 Gallon size nursery plastic pots:
HERE is the grow itself.
I don't remember exactly how many but almost 50x3 Gallon smart pots in the next pic.
NO PLANTS in any of the pics got transplanted.
BOTH type of pots have been giving TOTALLY AWESOME results (yields).
Plastic pots are sooooo much MORE CONVENIENT to deal with!
And the results? See yourself. 
HERE is the whole grow.
57x2 Gallon size nursery plastic pots:
HERE is the grow itself.
I don't remember exactly how many but almost 50x3 Gallon smart pots in the next pic.
NO PLANTS in any of the pics got transplanted.
BOTH type of pots have been giving TOTALLY AWESOME results (yields).
Plastic pots are sooooo much MORE CONVENIENT to deal with!
And the results? See yourself. HERE is the whole grow.
Donald Trump
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That is a 1 gallon air-pot.
you transplant them into a bigger air pot. the roots from the bottom of the original pot go into bigger air pots therefore you get more air pruned roots.
I would just plant straight into a 2 gallon though. But if going big trees you could transplant.
you transplant them into a bigger air pot. the roots from the bottom of the original pot go into bigger air pots therefore you get more air pruned roots.
I would just plant straight into a 2 gallon though. But if going big trees you could transplant.
Donald Trump
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I couldn't say as I don't weigh my buds. It depends if sog, no veg or 7 day veg, 1k, or 600 watt etc..
I was just hoping to know if say 1l air pot can hold anywhere as much as 12-15grams of dry weight of a good yielder. It sounds pretty much achievable, but I still have doubts. I am planning a 1kw per sqm of SoG with this purple pheno of super skunk from sensi.
gonna have somewhere around 50-70 of those little fuckers in that 1 meter.
I know it sounds weird, but this is exactly why I am going to try it I just want 12-15 grams colas and no side bud or fan leaves. Defoliation is to be applied. So is root prunning I am suspecting...
gonna have somewhere around 50-70 of those little fuckers in that 1 meter.
I know it sounds weird, but this is exactly why I am going to try it
I just want 12-15 grams colas and no side bud or fan leaves. Defoliation is to be applied. So is root prunning I am suspecting...
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Butte_Creek
50+ pots. It is more work to empty for sure. Plastic is quicker
I guess it's all preference. Honestly, in most situations plastic or fabric, won't notice much of a difference. But I will continue to use both, preferably the fabric variety pot, from what I've experienced and the idea that I won't run into root bound problems when vegging. I would still recommend smart pots to anyone.
Anyone running 100+ probably knows what they're doing, and has a specific way of doing certain things already.
I like them. But then again I don't spend a lot of time indoor every year.
It may not look like it if you check the links in my signature line...but I am a lazy person plus I do everything myself unless I am not on the island, then I have someone else keeping things alive.
It just horrifies me emptying fabric pots. What a PITA to do. lol
PS: And filling them, too!
Plasic pots? Scooooop and BAM- done! lol
haha those are just some tiny 1 liter pots, mate
emptying those will be a joy for me, because I LOVE DIRT! and I love dirty black hands !
B
Butte_Creek
It is sweet scooping with the plastic. All my 1gals are plastic for that reason!
Edit: Oh, and so transplanting into a larger pot is a breeze
Edit: Oh, and so transplanting into a larger pot is a breeze
I understand what you mean I personally am tired of those though. need something new 
@ strainhunter.
The pot in the picture is only a 3ltr AirPot.
The reason why i pot up, in a pot designed to root prune,is due to the vast amount of root growth.
Ime When the plants go into flower in a 3ltr AP it can need watering 2 sometimes 3 times a day, this is time consuming, causes a lot of run off,and is a hassle i don't need.
I also found that if i got caught out by this sudden drying out i then needed to flush a little due to build up of nutes.
So I then moved up to 6ltr AP and during 12/12 needed to feed around 1.5 ltrs a day per plant, this halved the time and plant number but still yielded the same,but i had to start veg 2 weeks earlier to hit the same weight.
Im now on 4 x 10 ltr AP as soon as these go into 12/12, I take clones and these are veg until the plants in 12/12 are done. (8/9 wks)
The 4 10ltr AP are being bottom fed only, and drink around 2 maybe 3ltrs a day, this takes minutes to do and is that easy Im waiting for something to go wrong.
You can fit 25x3ltr Ap in a 1.1m footprint,In the past i have grown 25 rooted clones of mrn critical mass under a 600w for 10 days,switched to a 1000w for 12/12 and happily got 20g a plant,but ive moved now and plant numbers is everything here, so im hoping my 4x 10ltr AP ,veg for 9 wks under 126w of t5,then put under a600w vert will yield about the same.
BoB
The pot in the picture is only a 3ltr AirPot.
The reason why i pot up, in a pot designed to root prune,is due to the vast amount of root growth.
Ime When the plants go into flower in a 3ltr AP it can need watering 2 sometimes 3 times a day, this is time consuming, causes a lot of run off,and is a hassle i don't need.
I also found that if i got caught out by this sudden drying out i then needed to flush a little due to build up of nutes.
So I then moved up to 6ltr AP and during 12/12 needed to feed around 1.5 ltrs a day per plant, this halved the time and plant number but still yielded the same,but i had to start veg 2 weeks earlier to hit the same weight.
Im now on 4 x 10 ltr AP as soon as these go into 12/12, I take clones and these are veg until the plants in 12/12 are done. (8/9 wks)
The 4 10ltr AP are being bottom fed only, and drink around 2 maybe 3ltrs a day, this takes minutes to do and is that easy Im waiting for something to go wrong.
You can fit 25x3ltr Ap in a 1.1m footprint,In the past i have grown 25 rooted clones of mrn critical mass under a 600w for 10 days,switched to a 1000w for 12/12 and happily got 20g a plant,but ive moved now and plant numbers is everything here, so im hoping my 4x 10ltr AP ,veg for 9 wks under 126w of t5,then put under a600w vert will yield about the same.
BoB
Bob the above symptoms are exactly the signs of plants being rootbound.
There is not enough medium (left?) for the water (and nutes) to be held.
That's also the reason you are experiencing the build up of nutes. They got no where to go besides running out of the container and leaving a residue within it.
I have air pots as well, they are the 3 Gallon ones. Look @ my "Mystery Grow" and you will see the grow where I use those.
You will also notice I yield over 8lbs (that's trimmed and dry!) using 4kw in light and a little under 50 plants.
I do all that w/o transplanting.
(besides from the 18oz cup the clone lived in 'till flowering finished, my Moms always are the existing grow).
My friend the key fixing your problem and making your (growing) life a whole lot easier (w/o doing all that crazy transplanting!) is to use adequate container size AND vegging time from the beginning.
Not to mention the highest quality chem nutes if and since you have salt build up.
There are ways to do it more efficient...or every commercial grower would have nothing else to do but transplanting 100's of plants all day long every day.
Now... (although trying my hardest) I am not "Mr. Supergrower"
lol and w/e I am telling you here you can take up on or ignore it but keep in mind you can do it a (much) easier way (like I do) or keep doing what you are doing.
