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What to do with people that do nothing??
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Sorry I thought The OP was talkin about, slack jawed,vacant starin,lyin zombie pinches of shit who say they are gonna do somethin then DON"T? My Bad..
superbolan
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you mean politicians?
Nah, don't even need them. Just politicize the thread.
BrwnStickyThumb
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So you really have all that welfare in USA?? Here a worker pays a lot of taxes to enjoy the so called "free" medical care (a shitty one, you better don't need it), unemployment aid if needed and ponzi style retirement funds, unless you are member of some ethnic minority, or a very poor one it's very hard to live just with what you can rob the government, and we are told ours is too generous, they need to cut here and there... They even tell us you can't live without a job in a "full capitalist" country like USA, that you just perish and no one cares about you, that that's why you have a nice economy and our is crap and that we need to give people less and let businesses pay less, guess they are talking the same bs in China or India...
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It ain't all it's cracked up to be, Americans don't like to lower their standard of living...earned or otherwise.
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whateverman
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Pretty much. That, interest on debt, and the P.I.C. Food stamps and lazy people milking welfare make up such a small piece of the pie it shouldn't even be in the conversation.most of our taxes actually go to military..........
Some fun charting:
simple green
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Pretty much. That, interest on debt, and the P.I.C. Food stamps and lazy people milking welfare make up such a small piece of the pie it shouldn't even be in the conversation.
Some fun charting:
First to the OP...sorry this has gotten political and will prolly be binned. Big difference between people that do nothing and people that lie. People that lie: avoid and/or seek gentle karma. People that do nothing.....to me it's almost a different real chill culture....I'm one of the hard worker types, could never change that and come accross a lot of people that don't do a whole heck of a lot. They're prolly not gonna really get you and you're not going to totally get them. You won't and don't need to change them unless you're like...their teacher or something. But limit your expectations and how much of your efforts are helping get them by....
but as long as we're bringing charts up ..... I'm not saying that we shouldn't be spending less on defense...I agree with that, but your charts don't really support your contention. Yes we spend too much on defense and there's been tax breaks for the wealthy. But the US also spends a lot on entitlement programs they also must be part of the conversation.
Here's the correct charts to support/oppose your argument.....
All I'm saying is that entitlements, medical spending, welfare...combined these are a significant part of the picture and should be considered...(along with reducing defense spending and raising taxes back to Clinton era levels on top earners)
I don't have the solutions but I think ROn Paul said it best when he said that we may have to change what we expect that government does for us....
Informative post. Ron also said it best when he acknowledged that criminal fraud lies just beneath the veil of laissez-faire. Oh that's right, Ron didn't say that. But he knows it.
thats a assrertion made by you, and if we went back to the original plan/constitution perhaps the veil will be lifted for the common folk or for the intelligent to see this or we can keep trying to balance the ponzi scheme that is our FED. and wich most dems, seem on supporting reguardless of reality as long as the social programs keep rolling in and pass the buck they will be fine and can make sound bites for the media and zombies to absorb.
im not saying ther'e arnt corrupt republicans you know who they are cause they are just as socialist and as much war mongers as all the rest and the media covers them frequently.
dont include Dr.paul with the rest of the morons pls. hes THE most intelligent out of both parties.
im not saying ther'e arnt corrupt republicans you know who they are cause they are just as socialist and as much war mongers as all the rest and the media covers them frequently.
dont include Dr.paul with the rest of the morons pls. hes THE most intelligent out of both parties.
Ah yes, we want the fed to wreck the train.
Take a look at the disparity of the voter segment that actually believes the Constitution is a static document. Then notice that each have a different idea of exactly what freedom entails. You'll likely have as many interpretations. Kind of like religion. All the denominational ministers get together and declare they're on page, then preach their differences to respective flocks.Neither am I, pointing the finger at a given stripe. IMO, humanity alone owns it's less-than-savory individuals and only enforced regulations will address these concerns.
IMO, socialism is no more a crime than other 'legal' forms of government. If economics alone doesn't persuade you that socialist government is the most practical, nothing I post will make any difference. If 90s, late 70s and early/mid 60s revenues vs spending didn't indicate success, neither did any period of lax regulation and/or tax cuts. If economics statistics mean nothing in the face of ideology, then ideology is all you embrace.
I don't knock Paul's education. I gather any doctor that's delivered 4000+ babies knows how to deliver a good baby. But ask him to point to a period of sustained, economic growth which most mimics his ideals of unfettered free markets. I bet we'd get uncomfortable posturing because all laissez-faire ever produced was monopolies, robber barons and record income-disparity.
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sandawg
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Disco, I was talking to someone other day who tried to defend laissez-faire capitalism to me. I was pointing out the ever-widening disparity and concentration of wealth, and the response was, "Capitalism is cyclical. There is a concentration of wealth, but then a depression occurs and levels the playing field. Its a cycle." [He went on to say how the libs have prolonged the next depression that was due by taking us off the gold standard and blah blah blah].
I don't know what y'all would have done if you had to look someone in the eye and listen to that. If you come across someone like that irl and you aren't attending a Republican National Convention, just walk away, dudes, just walk away. That's what I did. Tactfully. As I was taking a sip of my beer, I said, "Hmmm," as if I was pondering the profoundness of his postulates. But as I sipped my beer, I planned my escape. . . .
I don't know what y'all would have done if you had to look someone in the eye and listen to that. If you come across someone like that irl and you aren't attending a Republican National Convention, just walk away, dudes, just walk away. That's what I did. Tactfully. As I was taking a sip of my beer, I said, "Hmmm," as if I was pondering the profoundness of his postulates. But as I sipped my beer, I planned my escape. . . .
"Ah yes, we want the fed to wreck the train. Take a look at the disparity of the voter segment that actually believes the Constitution is a static document. Then notice that each have a different idea of exactly what freedom entails. You'll likely have as many interpretations. Kind of like religion. All the denominational ministers get together and declare they're on page, then preach their differences to respective flocks."
well no one said the voters knew what the constitution was or is and most dont take the time to find out. so theres the main part of the despairity. (and in my opinion most religions have the same tenants of peace and love and charity ,when not intermingled with politics or self absorbed theologians or worst the people who take it with no interpratation at all) .
"pointing the finger at a given stripe. IMO, humanity alone owns it's less-than-savory individuals and only enforced regulations will address these concerns."
so create the stereotype and than regulate it because we are some how not smart enough to phase out the harmfull by not buying their product or philosiphy?
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IMO, socialism is no more a crime than other 'legal' forms of government. If economics alone doesn't persuade you that socialist government is the most practical, nothing I post will make any difference. If 90s, late 70s and early/mid 60s revenues vs spending didn't indicate success, neither did any period of lax regulation and/or tax cuts. If economics statistics mean nothing in the face of ideology, then ideology is all you embrace.
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common disco i form my own opinions,and not let them be formed by the CBO and CBC.
meaning yeah i dont trust other sources of info, beside my own conclusions based on morals and deduction and cause and effect.
"I don't knock Paul's education. I gather any doctor that's delivered 4000+ babies knows how to deliver a good baby. But ask him to point to a period of sustained, economic growth which most mimics his ideals of unfettered free markets. I bet we'd get uncomfortable posturing because all laissez-faire ever produced was monopolies robber barons and record income-disparity."
so when you see these sort of things appear,you have a choice of not buying their product or philosiphy according to the free market and how its supposed to work.
the govt obviously props these people up reguardless of what we want.
and obviously the biggest divide and transferance of wealth/debt happened withing the last few years with the help of regulations.
well no one said the voters knew what the constitution was or is and most dont take the time to find out. so theres the main part of the despairity. (and in my opinion most religions have the same tenants of peace and love and charity ,when not intermingled with politics or self absorbed theologians or worst the people who take it with no interpratation at all) .
"pointing the finger at a given stripe. IMO, humanity alone owns it's less-than-savory individuals and only enforced regulations will address these concerns."
so create the stereotype and than regulate it because we are some how not smart enough to phase out the harmfull by not buying their product or philosiphy?
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IMO, socialism is no more a crime than other 'legal' forms of government. If economics alone doesn't persuade you that socialist government is the most practical, nothing I post will make any difference. If 90s, late 70s and early/mid 60s revenues vs spending didn't indicate success, neither did any period of lax regulation and/or tax cuts. If economics statistics mean nothing in the face of ideology, then ideology is all you embrace.
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common disco i form my own opinions,and not let them be formed by the CBO and CBC.
meaning yeah i dont trust other sources of info, beside my own conclusions based on morals and deduction and cause and effect.
"I don't knock Paul's education. I gather any doctor that's delivered 4000+ babies knows how to deliver a good baby. But ask him to point to a period of sustained, economic growth which most mimics his ideals of unfettered free markets. I bet we'd get uncomfortable posturing because all laissez-faire ever produced was monopolies robber barons and record income-disparity."
so when you see these sort of things appear,you have a choice of not buying their product or philosiphy according to the free market and how its supposed to work.
the govt obviously props these people up reguardless of what we want.
and obviously the biggest divide and transferance of wealth/debt happened withing the last few years with the help of regulations.
Well Wise and the many others Judgement types...
Did you ever stop to ask any of all the people who are waiting for something that isn't gonna cut it?
Stop and ask why those people don't work?
Or do you just ASSume they are lazy fucks?
When they say they have a fucked up back, do you sigh and say to yourself yea another lazy fuck milkin the government gettin my tax dollars?
i have met so many of you i just about stopped talkin to people
no fuckin compassion, all lookin out for number 1
Mind your own business coz not all people who don't work deserve this treatment.
would you treat a cancer patient that way, when they can't work anymore?
actually some are happy with gettin rid of all us useless types, and this is a Growers forum WTF???
here is another bit to ponder...
We don't all milk the government either we grow weed duh thats why we are here.
Maybe Everybody who doesn't work did NOT CHOOSE to be less active than you superior types!!!
IGNORANCE & JUDGEMENT
mind your own business
the way some of you are so upset is disgusting i'm an american who has lived outside the states for over 20 years who is gonna come home and not be able to work but i can still walk and i'm not retirement age. Nice attitude to face errrrr errrrr
can you imagine what you will think of me
the world isn't black and white or fit into tidy compartments yours or anybody elses.
OPEN your minds
Thats what Cannabis is supposed to do, what happened to you?
Try Shrooming in Nature a few times...
it will help to drop the judgement, or better yet turn it on your own self...
I'm curious about that now.
Are any of you haters into taking Shrooms and hugging big stones that are hot from the Power of the Sun or take off your shoes and Touch the Earth as you walk?
Pissed off!!!
NOJOY
depression occurs and levels the playing field...
Both my grandads were the same way. FDR saved one and LBJ saved the other, lol. Each boasted they never voted democratic.
Yeah, what's that ditty Churchill used to pipe? A young man that isn't liberal has no heart yet an old man that isn't conservative has no mind... something like that. Churchill forgot to add the old man that already has his cake, eats it too, while telling others to get out of his greedy way.
Cojito
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to those saying some people can't work because of handicaps...
though I agree to a certain extent, that's not entirely true. My pops has a very bad back and still works long hours as the CEO to a corporation. Never met a happier man.
if somebody were to tell me that they can't work because their back hurts, and instead collect on welfare...I'd probably think to myself, I'm sure theres SOMETHING you could do. seriously...you could get a sit down job at an office that doesn't require lifting. or you could learn how to play piano and play at country clubs. or shit, you can learn website coding and design websites.
Thats one of the reasons I love America...the possibilities are endless. I've met people who are paralyzed who still work jobs. IMO, theres a job for everyone.
all the same, if you're disabled, my heart goes out to ya - as I know its very hard. just keep hope alive, it makes you a stronger person!
though I agree to a certain extent, that's not entirely true. My pops has a very bad back and still works long hours as the CEO to a corporation. Never met a happier man.
if somebody were to tell me that they can't work because their back hurts, and instead collect on welfare...I'd probably think to myself, I'm sure theres SOMETHING you could do. seriously...you could get a sit down job at an office that doesn't require lifting. or you could learn how to play piano and play at country clubs. or shit, you can learn website coding and design websites.
Thats one of the reasons I love America...the possibilities are endless. I've met people who are paralyzed who still work jobs. IMO, theres a job for everyone.
all the same, if you're disabled, my heart goes out to ya - as I know its very hard. just keep hope alive, it makes you a stronger person!
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