anyone topdress organic dry nutes indoors and nothing else?
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I haven't used any bottled products (save fish hydrolysate and molasses which are ingredients in my ACTs) in over a year. I addition to mulching, I've top dress with N. guano, P. guano, kelp, and alfalfa. I've also re-amended my no-till tote by top dressing with lime and gypsum. I've been growing varied seed plants, so I'm not all that concerned about yield. This said, I don't think there are any large differences versus using bottles.
When I top dress N guano in small pots plants green up in days.
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I have no pics from any past grows and right now not growing...just composting wild herbs/weeds and building my own soil for this winter and next year and to feed worms. Pics might be here and there on some forums elsewhere. The proof is in the pudding so just try it yourself.
As for superior...they don't look much different. It's in the quality of the smoke IME. I've grown salt fert hydro to 100% organic in soil and everything in between. Best I ever had was the non bottle fed 100% organic plants.
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C'mon...you guys know what I was saying.
Why not? Part of that depends on what you top dress with. If you top dress with dried whole herbs they need time to break down. If you top dress with dried nutes, say like Fox Farm Peace of Mind 5-5-5, cover with mulch then water in...bam. Also at that layer you'll get nice increase in the microbial population quickly.
Top dress with earthworm castings like Hovz and fast acting.
Take a look at the many threads we have here on plants grown with organic and living organic soils for pics.
I think many people don't get, what most people claim on the net either. No one wants to be seen as lagging, so the bar keeps getting higher, but maybe not realistic. And most all good growers, me included, think their shit is the best. Human nature at work.
Yields come from many factors, and some folks regularly pull big yields, but that might not be the end all in every grow. I think the biggest factors for higher yields would be the light available, and genetics.
But i think taste and effect are more important to me, with yields important, but not the most important. I flower 4 plants at a time, and have plenty enough of aged, cured, primo smoke, to last me, even though I shut down my grow for a month or more every year.....scrappy
daheadies
poppin' outta control
As much as the nutes matter, I think growing technique matters just as much when trying to get good yield..
Trim your plants up EXACTLY how pinecone did! and make sure to use a good size pot/ whatever your root system can utilize.. Do this and you will be on your way to g/w
Trim your plants up EXACTLY how pinecone did! and make sure to use a good size pot/ whatever your root system can utilize.. Do this and you will be on your way to g/w
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Best herb I've ever had was grown by the REv aka Rolanterry, Nomaad's stuff absolutely rocks but most stuff out there is poorly grown IMO/IME.
Doesn't free up but fixes it. Also during lightning activity small amounts of hydrogen peroxide are created so outdoor plants get a dose of H2O2 during lightning storms. When I was a kid my dad told me about the lightning/N thing and lived in the Northeast with lots of summer storms. I started to watch how the grass responded after a good thunderstorm.
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I'd like to see people outdoors just grow with rainwater and any other nutes that fall from the sky...no top dressings, spikes, compost, wormcastings, dry nutes, collecting top soil, adding river sand, teas, peeing on plants, clearing out the cow barn or chicken coop, kitchen scraps, etc. Then grow in that same exact spot for a few years without adding back the excess plant material after trimming waiting for more nutes to rain upon you.
I think many get the point I was trying to make which is the dumping of concentrated nutes on plants mainly via bottles. It doesn't rain, or things drop from the sky, in any where near that concentration. I guess a wild animal could wander buy, crap or pee on your plant...maybe even repeatedly...or maybe even die right there on the spot and fertilize your plant.
Bunch of jokers...lol.
I think many get the point I was trying to make which is the dumping of concentrated nutes on plants mainly via bottles. It doesn't rain, or things drop from the sky, in any where near that concentration. I guess a wild animal could wander buy, crap or pee on your plant...maybe even repeatedly...or maybe even die right there on the spot and fertilize your plant.
Bunch of jokers...lol.
classic bogus criticism of nature farming: "things don't fall from the sky".
it's really just a diversion. Nature farming is not abandonment. In nature farming the human is both playing a role and manipulating the process a bit. Sure, this thing or that thing does fall from the sky, but you may need to use a bit of brawn collecting it and you might need a bit if brain to use it.
Here is some easy math - if I take only flowers, and return all my trim, stems, and roots to the soil, how much do I need to add back to keep things going? Are we taking more, or less than when we grow tomatoes?
Or howabout I remove all trim like you say, but I have other plants in the ground with the cannabis that are soil builders. And let's say I started things off with a biochar application, and I do some selective trimming of my companion plants to maximize their effectiveness - yeah, I think I could come up with a system that needs nothing but some timely and selective and minimal mowing.
Some options even include sowing seeds of things "too late" to mature before the killing frost, etc... seeds can fall from the sky, sprout, fix N from the air, and die back into mulch.
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You make a good point, not too many soils would excel year after year without grower inputs, but I think we want better than what mother nature would have provided, on her own, in that particular spot, don't we? Scrappy
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Thx man...at least you understand the points in general I was trying to make. Maybe we could get into nit picky semantic bullshit though in this thread?
so what exactly did you mean by that, since you brought up semantics?
we are after all talking about Cultivation, friends. Human invention. Not nature's
It's not like nature really needs to cover the whole surface with greens you know... So logically not all the soil should be all that good for cultivating. Plus adding to that the fact that there are dozens of plants that grow properly in different soils. And not all of those plants are to be cultivated. Only logical.
It's not like nature really needs to cover the whole surface with greens you know... So logically not all the soil should be all that good for cultivating. Plus adding to that the fact that there are dozens of plants that grow properly in different soils. And not all of those plants are to be cultivated. Only logical.
Are you just looking to argue? I see the whole point of these threads is to spread knowledge not to start shit. Relax, burn one, were all on the same side here. Your challenge is to disagree without being disagree- able, or to sway using logic, your a smart guy, it's not that hard.....scrappy
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Going back to the OP it's about using top dressings...and I've always had good results using this method and not just the time I mentioned. I've never used compost as a top dressing but cooking up a bunch now so we'll see how that works out during the winter. A decent part of the compost I make will be fed to worms for casting so will have compost and castings to play with. A bunch more of the compost will simply go into a custom mix and some of it will be used for teas.
oh right, someone comes on and calls everyone "a bunch of jokers", but it's pointing it out that starts shit.
I'm not a joker (well, depending on who is saying it maybe), and I'm not kidding - it's not that hard to come up with a guild to support a cannabis planting, even if you don't return trim.
So please don't encourage people coming on, being dead wrong, and insulting everyone.
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I've been top dressing with a fat handful of good ewc, and the root growth up at surface level is really amazing, especially when some sort of additional leaf mulch or clover canopy is added to retain moisture. guano is easily watered in. I'll be switching to dried powdered comfrey soon though.
I use fpe's, act, and very occasionally some liquid fish fert, but i rely on the top dress as the big feed.
I use fpe's, act, and very occasionally some liquid fish fert, but i rely on the top dress as the big feed.
oh and I meant to say - dried and powdered cannabis trim is very quick
