Signs that a collapse is under way.
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Yes, that was me referencing you, (third-party style.
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IMO, Jeffersonian democracy itself (Articles of Confederation) beget federalist control (Constitution). Some like to reminisce of the days prior to the states asking the federal government to arbitrate their respective grievances. What followed was law and some that don't agree with this outcome think of Jefferson's revolution every twenty years as palpable.
But getting down to it, one has to suspend the idea of majority rule our founding fathers intended, at least the majority of them.
But getting down to it, one has to suspend the idea of majority rule our founding fathers intended, at least the majority of them.
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Have to love Marbury v. Madison. The Supreme Court essentially said to Jefferson, "Congratulations, Thomas, we aren't going to force this Federalist judge upon you, but in doing so, we are giving ourselves the power to strike down laws as unconstitutional. Cheers."
Classic stuff.
Classic stuff.
Yes we do...replace unemployment and welfare with WORK projects. Instead of giving a few trillion to business...we should be paying people to work on things we NEED. Not just paying them to sit home and watch TV.
Have you SEEN the letters? I say it's a ruse to get us to agree. There are no letters.
It IS sitting there drawing interest! The PROBLEM is...we're broke and can't pay it back. We put the money in the bank...and then immediately took out a loan and spent it. The other problem is...we ADDED a whole lot of people to the SS roles that shouldn't be there. Why is disability in the SS system? Because it's expensive, we don't have the money to pay these people...and there's a TON of money sitting in the SS "trust fund".
That's NOT what they intended! They created a Constitutional, representative, republic. They wanted smart, educated, landowners to represent us. We/they entrusted the smartest amongst us to make the right decisions for everyone else.
It's gotten WAY carried away.
Maybe it IS time to do a governmental reset. Pull them ALL out and start over with all new people? One thing Jefferson was right about...the political party system...it has enslaved us...it did to me anyway. What REAL freedoms do we have? Freedom of association? There are more "discrimination" laws than any other I'm aware of. Freedom of speech? Right...people get banned HERE for saying the "wrong" things. Freedom to make my own choices? Like growing/smoking an herbal medicine? I don't even get to keep all the fruits of MY labor! I'm FORCED to "split it" with others. I'd rather have more anarchy and freedom...than to have my "prison" get any smaller so we can "all have the same things and be equal".
Middle Ages or today me and you are still peasants. And no I'm not your mother. I'm your daddy.
According to Wikipedia I'm in the top 5% of earners. If you don't believe me look through my attic buildout. That was money spent just for fun. Gotta love working in the oil and gas industry and being one of the best at directional drilling MWD management. So maybe I'm petite bourgeois. As much as it saddens me to see this country go down the shitter. I'm pretty sure my job will be secure if only to serve the war machine later. So this is somewhat of an ivory tower through which I denounce corporate feudalism, but at the same time benefit from it.
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I'm all for repair of infrastructure.
I guess ratification means little to the static purist but that's another majority rule aspect you refuse to consider.
With the exception of war, I'm not sure that rule-of-law constitutes collapse. You're free to judge for yourself. Don't forget your taxes also go toward your better standard of living. You wouldn't enjoy paying a profit for all the services you receive at cost.
When folks reference republic these days they forget that the omitted, key-word democratic means majority rule. All republic means is no royalty.
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Not many businesses are successful with the throw-out-the-baby approach. But when enough folks like your solutions, you may get the opportunity to ratify us all back to the 19th century.
mob rule, lol
unless of course one considers ratification.
mule rob, lol
We were supposed to be a Constitutional Republic. That died long time ago.
At the very least we are a representative democracy. I'd argue totalitarian democracy.
Democracy was once thought by many to be the worst form of government. Two wolves and a sheep trying to decide what to eat for dinner. Now it's cheered as the greatest form of rule around the world.
Proletariat cheering for their own destruction?
Seems to be a common theme throughout history.
At the very least we are a representative democracy. I'd argue totalitarian democracy.
Democracy was once thought by many to be the worst form of government. Two wolves and a sheep trying to decide what to eat for dinner. Now it's cheered as the greatest form of rule around the world.
Proletariat cheering for their own destruction?
Seems to be a common theme throughout history.
The empire dies with our dying currency. They say 25 years. I give it less than 10 and that's if we're really lucky.
Dollar seen losing global reserve status Financial Times
Dollar seen losing global reserve status Financial Times
We were supposed to be a Constitutional Republic. That died long time ago.
At the very least we are a representative democracy. I'd argue totalitarian democracy.
Democracy was once thought by many to be the worst form of government. Two wolves and a sheep trying to decide what to eat for dinner. Now it's cheered as the greatest form of rule around the world.
Proletariat cheering for their own destruction?
The other side of the argument is we are a constitutional republic (no king.) IMO, the argument lies in the static vs living context. Looks like democracy to me. The winning vote receives elective office. Working majorities control legislatures. Majority rule resides with SCOTUS. Doesn't mean the majority always gets their way but by-and-large the laws that are written are voted by a majority of lawmakers and in some cases voters.
Democracy was once thought... Caricature perhaps? I'd venture every system has it's detractors. So pointing out what appears to be oversight or afterthought says I'm cheering for destruction?
I can't consider our current political system anything more than an abject failure. Our currency is failing, our economy is failing, and our political system is failing. One big Epic Fail.
The party started to wind down IMO when the masses figured out how to vote themselves money from the state coffers (welfare and entitlements).
No cheerleaders here. I'm just debating what we actually have.
If I'm not mistaken, Ban Franklin believed that too much freedom itself would be our undoing. People can't handle too much freedom or something like that.
IMO, if you didn't have democracy you'd seek some form of arbitration for commerce, crime, fraud and a host of other ills that human nature provides.
IMO, if you didn't have democracy you'd seek some form of arbitration for commerce, crime, fraud and a host of other ills that human nature provides.
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