Canadian Government to Privatize Medical growing (news link)

[ManitobaMedical]

sounds to me like if you are just a grower with no education. you wont be able to get a comm.prod licence , time to go to botany class.
however imo this is how things like tobacco get alot shit added to them, regulate them means add poisons to the product so it can be proven dangerous in the future .......
i can see it now....... medical marijuana causes cancer
MM

 

[myc]

And what is stopping you from producing cannabis while licensed in the private sector.

Also, notice the "Sources say." What sources? Are they reliable sources? Is it your grandmother's bridge club? Why aren't they named? What would be the harm?

Get yourself a real education and grow bud professionally. How would that be a bad thing? Sure, it's different, and we all know how scary something like change can be. But this doesn't need to be a bad thing even as an individual who is in this as a business. There's no talk about the price of the medicine, but as far as I know, medicine in Canada isn't exceptionally expensive. I don't see why prescribed cannabis would be different when they remove the "street value" aspect from the economy.

Wow. You sound like someone that voted Conservative.
Yea, nothing stopping us from becoming licensed commercial producers.. We've all got hundreds of thousands of dollars to do that. Not like we're sick patients that can barely afford to grow our own.
And the source is the Health frikken Canada..
Have you bothered reading anything here? Or do you just wander around and shoot off your mouth as you've been directed to without actually thinking about anything?

 

[MoeBudz^420]

The best source is one's own self. Cost is everything, and a garden is near free if outdoor.

I'll use myself for an example of their "risk factors".

Mold? - Not here, I use a tent, not a room.
2) Quality - I can do this just fine as well.
3)Selling it - Something I DO NOT do.
4 Stealing power - O gee, I'd better, for my 1 600 is so expensive to run...

Well, since I fit none of their criteria of "risk" then I'll keep my ppl, thanks. gee, I'm so greedy that I asked for 1 whole g/day. People with ppl's aren't the problem, as their numbers are low. (1 5g/day = 1-5 outdoor, 4-20 indoor). It is designated providers that are growing hundreds of plants.

So, if anything, modify those rules, not the personal ones...but no mods are best imo.

Is this really doing so much harm???




Edit: It is NOT about providing safe medicine. It is about making us pay for it, ie) All about the Money, just like everything else. First Class BS...

2nd edit: And yes, I am more than willing to admit that I do not handle BS well...

Peace

 

[whodare]

i never got the logic behind promoting smoking anything for medical purposes, it should be in reliable measurable doses in pill, topical, or aerosol form...

which means you'd need a grow and a lab, all which would be overseen by the gov...

if you weren't stacking chips to be ready to pay for upgrades and licenses that was bad planning on your part, and if your a personal grower you shouldn't have to worry as they aren't gonna harass a 600 or 1k grower.

i dont even smoke anymore and if im not on edibles ill vape, but i usually just eat 100mg of hash cooked in coconut oil and put into a pill. and let me tell you it is way better than smoking and it last 6-8 hours easy and you cant eat away the buzz, it also is better for pain.

 

[OneTokeOver]

It's about the money. They can't tax it if you grow it.

Want to bet there is a Cannabis tax applied as well as HST if this actually happens?

 

[B. Friendly]

Well said.
I'm in the same boat.. I never thought i'd say it, but I'd rather be in the USA where people seem to still have some sort of shadow of rights.

are you guys saying this bs, are bat shit insane
we have an mmar program
it has been around for over a decade now
it is not going anywhere
bill s-10 went nowhere
you need to understand what politics are and how the game is played
for example, Harper had no intention of building more prisons or getting s-10 through or doing a thing about immigration reform or getting 30bill in military jets... having said all that he sure got those votes from the fools that thought he was being serious... lol

this link and any like it are simply politics
the courts are all that matters in a civilized country which this is

so if you know the recent verdicts handed down by JUDGES in our Supreme Court of Canada then you'd see the real trend...
the average joe will smoking 3 meters from a door in 20 years with no health card, and that same dude will be allowed 5 plants i bet to personally grow.
shit all the link is saying is that criminals have manipulated the system. guess what, that's what criminals do. you people really think the courts and health canada did not know that would happen when the program started... shit were money is to be made people will make it. that does not mean you send an innocent person to jail to keep the others off the streets. in fact in this country the opposite is true...

zero worries about my mmar license or the future of it

 

[VagPuncher]

Hahaha, BFriendly;

You are in a for a rude awakening. The MMAR program is toast. Just hope that the current cardholders put up enough f a fight to have there cards grandfathered.

 

[myc]

are you guys saying this bs, are bat shit insane
we have an mmar program
it has been around for over a decade now
it is not going anywhere
bill s-10 went nowhere
you need to understand what politics are and how the game is played
for example, Harper had no intention of building more prisons or getting s-10 through or doing a thing about immigration reform or getting 30bill in military jets... having said all that he sure got those votes from the fools that thought he was being serious... lol

this link and any like it are simply politics
the courts are all that matters in a civilized country which this is

so if you know the recent verdicts handed down by JUDGES in our Supreme Court of Canada then you'd see the real trend...
the average joe will smoking 3 meters from a door in 20 years with no health card, and that same dude will be allowed 5 plants i bet to personally grow.
shit all the link is saying is that criminals have manipulated the system. guess what, that's what criminals do. you people really think the courts and health canada did not know that would happen when the program started... shit were money is to be made people will make it. that does not mean you send an innocent person to jail to keep the others off the streets. in fact in this country the opposite is true...

zero worries about my mmar license or the future of it

Wow. Just wow.
Things went nowhere because there were people in the house able to vote against the dumb shit.
The new S-10 will be passed shortly after the summer break.
With the new guidelines coming in, you will fall under the mandatory minimum category and they know exactly where you bloody live.
Enjoy your zero worries. Did you have zero worries about harper getting a majority too?

edit: and someone's already mentioned that there are several empty spots on the supreme court that harper will get to fill. I'm sure his hatred of "activist" judges won't come into play at all.

 

[apartmentblower]

It's about the money. They can't tax it if you grow it.

Want to bet there is a Cannabis tax applied as well as HST if this actually happens?

some people are going to get really rich off this. People are going to lose their right to produce their own medicine which is unfortunate because it is a sign of our culture and times. Self reliance in this country is a dead virtue and along with bigger issues such as food production, utility privatization (some communities already have private water services) and an overall shift from individual self-recognizance, the change in the MMAR to remove individual grower's rights is another blow to freedom. People will be getting raided for their grows while the licensed warehouse rakes in the profit.

 

[apartmentblower]

P.s. How come the the great near-republic of california can do it right ? Previous and ingrained history of individualism missing in canada. The states may be a nation with problems but individual state powers are held to a higher degree of respect than provinces are given here. Canadians as a majority tend to accept autocratic notions left over from colonial days.

 

[CareFreeLivin]

If they had the best interest of the patients in mind they would create two grades of production licenses. Allow patients to grow their own, but instead of limiting plant numbers they should limit lights. For example, If you're a patient and choose to grow your own in a residential setting your limit would be 1.2k for flower and half for veg/clone. Allow people who want to go big do so in a commercial setting and have them qualify for a different grade of production license.

 

[deepcover]

Health Canada's decision to take away my right to grow and consume my own medical produce is an affront to my individual sovereignty and natural right to cultivate and ingest a specific medically approved and recognized substance that benefits and maintains my health.

It is apparent that this shift from private individual producer to licensed large-scale companies or corporations is another facet in the already overwhelming system of corruption, poor quality product, and market-oriented economics that envelop most aspects of the food and pharmaceutical industry in Canada today.

I have worked hard to find a specific strain, environmental condition, and growing style which produces a high quality organic and self-produced dried medical cannabis flower that plays an essential role in maintaining my health and preventing any further degeneration of my Category 1 condition. Health Canada's politically mandated motive to take this right away from me is a direct attack on my health and overall well-being.

I grow a long flowering sativa, a strain I researched and obtained myself from a landrace collection, and further, bred to produce my desired medical characteristics in a purpose built room that would be impossible to replicate in a market-oriented and mass-production focused grow environment. I have invested substantial resources, financially and time-wise, into setting up and maintaining my medical grow room, and in addition, have made major building code specified modifications to my home in order to satisfy regional fire and building requirements. Furthermore, I have invested much of my time in researching and learning growing methods, including taking classes at a reputable post-secondary institution in basic horticultural practices to ensure that I have the training and experience to produce medicine which I can confidently ingest daily.

It is obscene and offensive that a federal body feels it has the authority to take away my right, and as a result, my personal investment in, to grow my own medicine due to the inability of another federal body, the RCMP, to provide me with adequate protection from criminal elements. That the maintenance of this criminal element depends on existing prohibitions, prohibitions based on generations-old and racist notions of inequality, as well as the inadequacy of local police forces, is a fact that is conveniently ignored by Health Canada-- and the blame is conveniently placed on individual growers and patients.

Instead of making moves to address the issues at base, Health Canada is opting for another band-aid solution, similar to the previous court ordered changes forcing Health Canada to amend the MMAR rules on a number of occasions. The difference is that this time the decision is greater in scope and has the potential to very negatively impact the lives of thousands of self-producers.

I have lost faith in the system. I have been waiting four months for a renewal and daily dosage increase to be processed by Health Canada. It took eight months for my initial application to be approved, a time during which I was forced to associate with criminal elements to obtain my medicine. Furthermore, I have been assisting a terminally ill patient in trying to obtain his license to possess along with my application to be designated producer for him, an application which has been in limbo for four months due to Health Canada's refusal to amend specific problems with the designated grower application process. He will probably die before any license is granted.

It is unfortunate that we are paying with our lives for a corrupt and mismanaged system. Transparency International has ranked Canada at the bottom of the list of G7 nations willing to fight corruption, year after year. This fact makes it even more obvious that the new Health Canada regulations have little to do with protecting individual growers and patients and more to do with appeasing ill-informed and career-minded municipal politicians and fire and police chiefs.

I will be retaining the counsel of an attorney specializing in constitutional law in order to secure and maintain my individual right to produce medicinal cannabis for my permanent and degenerative Category 1 condition. Furthermore, upon the implementation of regulations banning the individual licensed cultivation of medical cannabis, I will be moving to seek financial damages from Health Canada for the significant costs and hardships I have endured as a result of setting up a functioning medical cannabis grow room only to have Health Canada render that investment nil in their upcoming regulation change. Such costs will include all of the material and labor costs as well as the significant educational, time, and effort based investments that Health Canada forced me to make in order to produce my own medicine as an alternative to the medically ineffective gamma irradiated ground up stem, leaf, and flower matter produced and sold as a monopoly by Prarie Plant Systems.

I will be contacting my elected representatives as well as major media outlets in order to raise awareness in this very important issue. Whether officials at Health Canada choose to acknowledge it or not, this is an issue with roots in basic notions of individual freedoms and the even more basic right to health and self-determination. As already stated, Health Canada's continuing unconstitutional policies (as proven by judgments at all levels of provincial and federal court of law) are direct attacks on my health and freedom. I will suffer because of these regulations even more than I do now. I will do everything in my power to ensure that this issue is brought to light and the real undercurrents at play here are exposed.

As a patient who has dealt with the failures of Health Canada and its' biased policies towards medicinal cannabis and its legitimate users for an extended length of time, I find it laughable that officials at Health Canada purport to make policy decisions with the aim of helping sick people. It is clear that from the beginning, this court ordered program has not been designed to help, but rather to cover up for inadequacies in federally legislated and politically motivated prohibitions.

 

[VagPuncher]

Haha. You're just pissed you threw all your money in to a 16k warehouse and now are ass up.

 

[deepcover]

Got that from a buddy I didn't write it

 

[deepcover]

Oops dbl post

 

[deepcover]

Vag u thrive on pissing on other people, take a look at your character. And maybe you will see you are trying to make yourself feel better by taking other people down. You remind me of a couple bullies I had after me when I was a kid.

 

[deepcover]

hOw do I add someone to my ignore list? Can't find it

 

[bloodwash]

deepcover, that was a great read man. you have great arguments that would do well in court. i hope you succeed with your plans and future endeavours.

 

[iSMOKE.KUSH]

Haha. You're just pissed you threw all your money in to a 16k warehouse and now are ass up.

way to support your fellow grower buddy...

 

[Savage Seeds]

you really are in it for the money eh? people like you make me sick..

Awesome!

I'll get a commercial production license no problem.

I hope they end the program tmrw.

Its ok VagPuncher he never bought it to smoke ever. He never would have grown It and sold It illegally either If he could either I swear

And for the record people I am really not a asshole my bad if I come off as one!