Florida to drug test Welfare recipiients.

[DiscoBiscuit]

OGXHASHYGUY, I sure hope your wife is doing well and I hope that her assistance isn't adversely altered again. Sounds like you've gots a good mate and you certainly are a standup man. It's encouraging to hear from the perspectives I can't see with eyes but understand with reasoning.

Part of assistance programs is viability and I understand that fraud is an issue we can't underestimate.

My seester is on full SS for mental disability. Poor girl got it together and got a part time job that fell out when a coworker tried to strike up a personal relationship to put it mildly. That situation has her back home and not working. I'd like to talk some sense to that guy about mental illness and the shit he did but he may be challenged as well.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

holy shit hell just froze over!!!!
i've been called alot of things but civil?!?!?
wel sir i never!!!

note the use of the sarcasm font

civil and relevant but we won't tell anybody....... oops

 

[OGXHASHYGUY]

OGXHASHYGUY, I sure hope your wife is doing well and I hope that her assistance isn't adversely altered again. Sounds like you've gots a good mate and you certainly are a standup man. It's encouraging to hear from the perspectives I can't see with eyes but understand with reasoning.

Part of assistance programs is viability and I understand that fraud is an issue we can't underestimate.

My seester is on full SS for mental disability. Poor girl got it together and got a part time job that fell out when a coworker tried to strike up a personal relationship to put it mildly. That situation has her back home and not working. I'd like to talk some sense to that guy about mental illness and the shit he did but he may be challenged as well.

we just need to put our selves in those peoples shoes not having options like use abled body do... and my wife is good she is always giving me the support i never had till i was blessed with her always jabbing me with lines like "i wish i could go to work" when im tired..... i say yeah right but in my heart i know its true. as for your sis give her support help her get back to where she got always make her feel useful cause its horrible feeling alone in the world where no one really cares about anyone but them selves ...bless all of you !...now i really need to smoke peace

 

[Billy Jack]

Haha Dag, I've closed more "Florida Growers" windows because of your posts than anyone else I can remember but this doesn't mean I don't appreciate your sarcasm......sorry. I mean opinion (notice the lack of bold face font here).

One of the points I was stabbing at is that this legislation has already been found to be unconstitutional in four states, how much of our taxpayers dwindling resources will be wasted so RS can gain back a disenfranchised voter base? And at the cost of our child's or grandchild's future?

“Never judge a man's actions until you know his motives” was something my dad used to say a lot. Previous motives of Scott have been proven and found to be illegal I believe. How can this not be about "the man" at this juncture? Where exactly does the turning point begin then I ask?

We stand to lose more than we gain...all of us except for Tricky Rick.

I just feel this is a huge step backwards in so many ways........but I'm too stoned already too carry on tonight.

Goodnight, and may you're Wednesday morning be the best one ever if not the best one this week.

 

[Rednick]

And at the cost of our child's or grandchild's future?

If Welfare is the future, we need to sit down as a COUNTRY and figure this fucker out!

I just feel this is a huge step backwards in so many ways........but I'm too stoned already too carry on tonight.

Goodnight, and may you're Wednesday morning be the best one ever if not the best one this week.

Big Step Backwards! Agreed.
But a challenge to the Status Quo.

Just like all them racist fucks in Arizona complaining about that Immigration issue.

I know I come off like a complete Dick and AssHole, but...
Let us not forget the lessons learned through years of being marginalized ourselves.

I do not feel Welfare in any capacity contributes to our being a strong, non-marginalized society.

I feel it creates a 'Stigma' that is not only hindering to 'beta workers', but also to the marginalized segment of society that feeds off of it.

Teach a man to fish!
And don't just teach a man to grow weed...
Teach him to grow really, really good weed.

 

[Strainhunter]

Test should include, ALL MEDICAL, POLITICAL, FIRE, POLICE, ANY AND ALL STATE WORKERS, WHO GET PAID FROM STATE OR FEDERAL FUNDS...OTHERWISE IT'S BLATANTLY DISCRIMINATORY...!!!!




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[Bazarocka]

I new we would meet up eventually, "SNOOK"

I new we would meet up eventually, "SNOOK"

It all is a matter of perception. Which side of the fence are you on? You work, scotts not so bad, you do not work scotts a bum. Shit, taxes go up, welfare and unemployment goes up and Scott is the bad guy? He was elected on these promises. He said he was going to do it, along with having public (re: govt) workers contribute to their own retirement. They dont like that either, and there is more to come. Drug testing for people who should be spending what little money they have on necessities for themselves and their children, not drugs, seems, to me, just. You do realize that the money is YOUR tax money. the unemployment mess was created by the Fed Gvt and thier corruption of the free market. Fanny & Freddy and the like. Paying for oversite that never happens. Not the states govenors. Some have gotten too happy with the 'free lunch'.

SCOTTS a Bum and a criminal not yet caught. How about blowing or testing the Alcoholics.......DRUG SCREENING I understand. FOR DRUGS. But we ALL know what this is about. "PERSONAL GREED". FLORIDA IS THE WORLDS PILL MILL, and EVERYONE knows it.

I SEEN 1st hand whats going on in Florida for 15 years. Drug Peddling on the TV, Drug Peddling On The Streets. PAIN CLINICS on every corner dispensing the scripts like candy.

What color pill for the Matrix today my friend: AND BTW: I don't do pills------A.N.Y.K.I.N.D or ANY C.O.L.O.R. But thats just me.

AND THATS WHY I GOT THE HELL OUT OF THAT POLICE STATE.
(PS:I DO NOT NOR WILL I EVER HAVE A CRIMINAL PAST AND OR CONVICTION)

 

[hazy]

But the govt is paying them to buy food and housing, not luxury items like drugs...
Its a shitty situation all the way around.

There's very little left over for drink and drugs from the pittance most get. How do you know the guy who tests positive used his gov money for his weed? Maybe he did a little side deal so he could smoke at no cost?

EDIT: this is a part of a song by James McMurty called We Can't Make It Here. You can find him on youtube, he's worth looking up.

The bar’s still open but man it’s slow
The tip jar’s light and the register’s low
The bartender don’t have much to say
The regular crowd gets thinner each day
Some have maxed out all their credit cards
Some are working two jobs and living in cars
Minimum wage won’t pay for a roof, won’t pay for a drink
If you gotta have proof just try it yourself Mr. CEO
See how far $5.15 an hour will go
Take a part time job at one your stores
Bet you can’t make it here anymore
...

Now I’m stocking shirts in the Wal-Mart store
Just like the ones we made before
‘ Cept this one came from Singapore
I guess we can’t make it here anymore

Should I hate a people for the shade of their skin
Or the shape of their eyes or the shape I’m in
Should I hate ‘em for having our jobs today
No I hate the men sent the jobs away
I can see them all now, they haunt my dreams
All lily white and squeaky clean
They’ve never known want, they’ll never know need
Their shit don’t stink and their kids won’t bleed
Their kids won’t bleed in their damn little war
And we can’t make it here anymore

Will work for food will die for oil
Will kill for power and to us the spoils
The billionaires get to pay less tax
The working poor get to fall through the cracks
So let ‘em eat jellybeans let ‘em eat cake
Let ‘em eat shit, whatever it takes
They can join the Air Force, or join the Corps
If they can’t make it here anymore

So that’s how it is, that’s what we got
If the president wants to admit it or not
You can read it in the paper, read it on the wall
Hear it on the wind if you’re listening at all
Get out of that limo, look us in the eye
Call us on the cell phone tell us all why ...


To all the pro-drug testing folks here:
Maybe we should test all the folks who are getting SS retirement benefits, those guys might be using their gubmint money to buy pot. Well, if there's any left after they buy their oxy.

Heck, anybody getting gubmint money, ie federal reserve notes, at their job, is robbing the country of tons of productivity, so everybody should get tested, then we can fix this economy right??

 

[paladin420]

Drug testin is just WRONG... for a job, for school,for any reason

 

[ShroomDr]

Social Security is your retirement fund, its suppose to be money you have saved (or money the govt has taken from you, in order to force you to save). I see no reason to drug test someone for access to their own money.

Unemployment has been my major subject in this thread, and ill say it once more, unemployment is money that is paid to you to look for a employment. Its not suppose to be a free handout.

If you have income, you dont get unemployment. So if your getting unemployment, and using drugs, you are almost certainly using money from unemployment, or you are scamming the system.
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And FWIW, im less interested in saving the money, as i am interested in directing towards where it should go. This is the base of my outrage. Scamming the system doesnt just hurt tax payers, it hurts those who really need the help. Children with cancer, people with real disabilities, etc.

 

[ShroomDr]

Drug testin is just WRONG... for a job, for school,for any reason

This is ludicrous and clearly short sighted.

Air traffic controllers, heavy machinery workers, chemical engineers, there are a million jobs that need completely clear headed individuals.

Landscapers, bar tenders, store clerks, there are a million jobs that it is completely unnecessary too.

Call me crazy, but im glad they drug test people whos careers directly involve the safety of many others.

 

[supermanlives]

unfortuantly coke dont stay in your system long and in florida crack is a problem. so it wont really do that much to weed out the worst addicts. you will get some junkies and potheads and the crackheads get to continue sucking off the system

 

[crazybear]

This is ludicrous and clearly short sighted.

Air traffic controllers, heavy machinery workers, chemical engineers, there are a million jobs that need completely clear headed individuals.

Landscapers, bar tenders, store clerks, there are a million jobs that it is completely unnecessary too.

Call me crazy, but im glad they drug test people whos careers directly involve the safety of many others.

When they come up with a test that tells them if your high right now yes, but who should tell you what you can do when not at work???????

 

[superbolan]

The people who are doing the real scamming and ripping off the system, are wearing suits and sitting behind desks, not some unemployed guy smoking a joint with his friends

 

[dubwise]

I wholly believe that if an elected official is behind it...he's going to make a buck off of it. And as much as that is wrong, it is what it is. Gone are the days of Washington & Lincoln. That being said....I work every day in a very high crime, low income area. The people I come in contact with (every day) have no problem getting one by on the ol' system. They buy groceries with ebt and beer, cigarettes, weed, and big ass tv's with cash. The social services division in which I work, pay for "less fortunate" people to have a roof over their head, phone service and cable television. It makes me sick to my stomach. I am all for feeding the hungry, no one should starve in this day & age. The thing is...in my humble 10+ year career...almost all of the younger folks (18-40) who are on welfare don't give a damn that they are abusing the system. The older welfare folks (40-70) honestly cant make it...albeit because when they were younger they too abused the system as well as their bodies and are now sick and in need of care. Most of the people I come in contact with (the younger ones) don't care because it is how they were raised. They see nothing wrong with having multiple children out of wed-lock, having multiple fathers for their children, all the while doing nothing to make the world a better place. Just sucking off the gov't tit and complaining about their lack...and that the gov't should be doing more and more. It's 10,000% insane. It's upside down, backwards and broken.
Let's take this drug testing one step further...let's test the politicians as well! Surprise testing to those bastards as we the employed people who get randomly tested to meet a quota.
If we're going to fix it.....which I believe we will not....let's actually fix it!

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Social Security is your retirement fund, its suppose to be money you have saved (or money the govt has taken from you, in order to force you to save). I see no reason to drug test someone for access to their own money.

Unemployment has been my major subject in this thread, and ill say it once more, unemployment is money that is paid to you to look for a employment. Its not suppose to be a free handout.

If you have income, you dont get unemployment. So if your getting unemployment, and using drugs, you are almost certainly using money from unemployment, or you are scamming the system.
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And FWIW, im less interested in saving the money, as i am interested in directing towards where it should go. This is the base of my outrage. Scamming the system doesnt just hurt tax payers, it hurts those who really need the help. Children with cancer, people with real disabilities, etc.

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I know what you mean. And I also agree that public safety has to address folks working under the influence of any debilitating substance. Hell, I worked in a machine shop and understood that health insurance wasn't as expensive because everybody was subject to random. Top to bottom, not because executives were risking safety behind a desk but (apparently) law dictates randoms as such. They pull a name out of the hat and the chief pees if his name comes up. That's the spill but I can't prove it went that way.

Any other circumstance that transgressed the protocols got a respective test as well.

That said, there's something in your post that suggests supposition, That's not unlike hypotheses where professionals (in this case, scientists) seek to substantiate whether proven as fact or leading toward.

IMO, Scott needs statistics to show his law not only addresses practical, aka real transgressions, he needs to show his law saves taxpayer money.

I know that national conservatives and a few conservatively governed states are pushing real austerity measures. But they've yet to prove their economics are numerically and statistically sound. I'm not knocking conservatism but the numbers don't lie.

Not unlike CBO, states have non-partisan bean counters who's day job is to report economic success or less than. Lawmakers review and sign off on these numbers before they're purported as legit.

(After that, you get a little noise here and there that numbers are the other side's way of pandering principles. They just don't tell their constituents their leaders signed off on the numbers.)

IMO, Rick is pandering to the tea party and like-minded budget warriors. But if they really knew what they were doing, if they really wanted to save money, they could take a civics 101 class and learn how we've appropriated money ever since collective assistance was instituted.

In close, Scott has neither the proof that state workers are wasting funds nor does his law even suggest it'll save money. IMO, he's hitting the folks that are easiest to demonstrate a get-tough approach with no clue how to execute it.

If Scott went after anybody up the economic chain, he'd have lawyers suing him on constitutional grounds.





Lets forget for a moment that the whole law smells of unfair application and unsubstantiated speculation. (I gather you feel it's reality but IMO, that's debatable and unproven.) The real kicker for me is the guy defrauded the nation and his solution is every bit as ethically challenged because it goes his private business.

Cheney had to separate himself from Halliburton and signing his checks over to Liz or making Liz a (Dick) mouthpiece in his absence would have been enough to raise his removal from office.

Otherwise, he wouldn't have waved goodby to lots of money.

 

[fukndenny]

It's obvious there's a problem with people taking advantage of government handouts, why not try to make it fair? What other method do you suggest?

 

[superbolan]

There are many ways the system could be improved. Stop the use of EBT cards for soda candy, potato chips and other crap. Saw a lady at a 7/11 buying red bulls with her card, ridiculous. Could also allow people to actually earn the money by performing various community service functions that are needed. The system does indeed need an overhaul, but this is not really about fixing the system its about securing another revenue stream for a corrupt politician

 

[Aeroguerilla]

welfare. lol

 

[imnotkrazy]

fare thee well, free munny! heh