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Landmark Case Could Stymie Legal System
Written by Debra Siddons Friday, 27 May 2011 07:51
If everyone began using this defence tomorrow, in all of the Commonwealth courts and in the United States, the entire legal system could be brought to its knees in a matter of weeks if not days."


For those of you who have been following the John Anthony Hill (JAH) Case, it is great to be able to share that he was acquitted, on the 12th of May 2011, of the ridiculous and politically-motivated charge of attempting to "pervert the course of justice". For those of you less familiar with this landmark case, John Anthony Hill is the Producer of the documentary film "7/7 Ripple Effect". For more details about this extraordinary case and the trial itself, please visit the following links:-
http://mtrial.org
http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com
http://terroronthetube.co.uk/2011/05/12/muaddib-acquitted/

There are two very important precedents that were established with this case that need to be studied in detail. There was a preliminary argument presented to the court to challenge both the jurisdiction and the sovereignty of Elizabeth Battenberg/Mountbatten, which was based on two distinct points. The first point being she was knowingly, and with malice aforethought, coronated on a fake stone in 1953 and thus has never been lawfully crowned.
There are those who may wish to argue that this point is irrelevant, as Judge Jeffrey Vincent Pegden did at the trial, wrongly thinking the Coronation is just a ceremony because she has been pretending to be the monarch for over 58 years. In actual fact the Coronation is a binding oath and a contract, requiring the monarch's signature. Which brings us to the second point.


At that Coronation ceremony, Elizabeth signed a binding contract, before God and the British people, that she would do her utmost to maintain The Laws of God. This she solemnly swore to do, with her hand placed on the Sovereign's Bible, before kissing The Bible and signing the contract. Please note well that in The Law of God, found in the first five books of The Bible, man-made legislation is strictly prohibited.


The very first time that she gave "royal assent" to any piece of man-made legislation, she broke her solemn oath with God and with the British people and she ceased to be the monarch with immediate effect. To date, she has broken her oath thousands and thousands of times, which is a water-proof, iron-clad, undeniable FACT. She is therefore without question not the monarch, but instead is a criminal guilty of high treason among her other numerous crimes.


All of the courts in the U.K. are referred to as HM courts or "her majesty's" courts, which means every judge draws their authority from her. All cases brought by the state are "Regina vs. Xxxxxxx", which means they are all brought in the name of the queen. So if she isn't really the monarch, then she doesn't have the authority or the jurisdiction to bring a case against anyone else. And neither do any of "her majesty's" courts or judges.


Bearing in mind the legal maxim that no man can judge in his own cause, it should be crystal clear that no judge in the Commonwealth could lawfully rule on a challenge to the jurisdiction and sovereignty of the monarch. It is a question of their own authority, so they are obviously not impartial to the outcome. That is why the ONLY way the question of jurisdiction can lawfully and impartially be decided is by a jury. And that is exactly why John Anthony Hill requested a jury trial to decide his challenge to the jurisdiction and sovereignty of Elizabeth.


No judge under any circumstances can deny someone their right to request a jury trial. No judge can lawfully rule in their own cause. That doesn't mean they won't try, it only means that when they do, they are committing a criminal act (just as Judge Jeffrey Vincent Pegden did at John Anthony Hill's trial) and that their decision is immediate grounds for an appeal and for a citizen's arrest. The fact that the court and its corrupt judge tried to ignore this particular point is proof that they are well aware they have no lawful authority. That is one of the reasons why this is a landmark case. If everyone began using this defence tomorrow, in all of the Commonwealth courts and in the United States, the entire legal system could be brought to its knees in a matter of weeks if not days.


The signed by E2 coronation oath (Exhibit 1) and the Bible she swore on at that Coronation (Exhibit 2) clearly orders judges and lawyers to obey the Laws of God.


These two factual pieces of evidence ought to be presented at the start, as defence in every single victimless case, or those in progress, where you have been wrongfully charged, and to proceed forth Lawfully.


To make this perfectly clear, the way is available with the two pieces of evidence to shift the cases to begin to use only God's Laws which demands a trial by jury, to proceed forth maintaining only God's Laws with judges roles clearly defined.


Whilst E2 is committing treason, explained in full detail in the Lawful Argument, the signed oath orders obedience to all subjects to maintain only the Laws of God.
Judges/lawyers have taken an oath (B.A.R.), thus ordered to comply to Exhibit 1, and Exhibit 2 (Bible), and it is as simple as that. People lacked awareness of that which was in place, and there for people to use, but didn't know. We know now.


For those of you in the United States who may be thinking "hey, we aren't a Commonwealth country, why would this affect us?" all you really need to know is that these three little letters:- B.A.R., stand for the British Accreditation Registry. It doesn't matter whether it is the Australian BAR or the Canadian BAR or the American BAR association; they ALL report to the British monarch, who is the head of the BAR.


So thanks to John Anthony Hill and this amazing precedent, we now all know a peaceful way to bring the system down. If enough people ACT and use this simple, bullet-proof defence, we can put an end to this insanity and injustice. All that is required now is for YOU to spread the word to as many as possible so that this peaceful rebellion can begin immediately. Or you can watch the last remnants of your freedoms swept away as the Global Elite plunge the entire world into bankruptcy and WW3 to usher in their "New World Order".


For additional details about this bullet-proof defence, please visit: http://jahtruth.net/britmon.htm#crimes


By now some of you may be beginning to see the Light at the end of this very dark tunnel and are so enthusiastic about putting this simple plan into motion that you may have forgotten there was a second precedent set during this landmark case.


While the official reason for this trial was to address this trumped-up and frivolous charge of attempting to "pervert the course of justice", the real reason for this trial was so the authorities could punish John Anthony Hill for making the "7/7 Ripple Effect" which, in less than an hour and using strictly mainstream media reports, completely dismantles the official government conspiracy theory. The film is so credible that even the prosecution at the trial, after showing it in its entirety to the jurors, admitted that the film was made in such a way that it "changes the minds of people who see it." That's how powerful the truth really is.


This was the first time this information was shown at an official proceeding and the results were impressive. At least 83% of the jurors felt the film accurately depicted what happened in London on July 7th, 2005 and that John Anthony Hill did the right thing. For those unfamiliar with the case, JAH forwarded copies of the "7/7 Ripple Effect" to the Kingston Crown court in 2008 in the hope of correcting misleading statements made by the judge and the QC at the outset of the first trial of the supposed "7/7 helpers" (who were also found not guilty).


John Anthony Hill was also able to enter into the official record his testimony about what happened on September 11th, 2001 in the United States and that both 9/11 and 7/7 were false flag attacks. He went on to show the jurors the now infamous BBC report of the collapse of the Salomon Brothers building (WTC7) by Jane Standley on 9/11/2001. She reported the collapse 25 minutes before it actually occurred, and with the building clearly visible and still standing in the window behind Jane Standley's left shoulder, leaving no doubt that the BBC had foreknowledge of the event.


As a result of the "7/7 Ripple Effect" being shown to the jurors by the prosecution and John Anthony Hill's testimony about 9/11, the truth that those two events were false flag attacks and that the mainstream media is nothing more than a government propaganda machine is now officially on record.
And the "Not Guilty" verdict by the jury is a ringing endorsement of that official record.


This case brings with it a New Hope and the opportunity for a new beginning, where liberty, justice, and peace aren't just nice sounding words, but a reality. This could be heaven on earth instead of the hell we have let it become by allowing all of this evil to grow up around us. Just as John Anthony Hill has shown us by example, all it takes is a dauntless faith that good will always triumph over evil and the courage to take action to do the right thing, regardless of the personal cost.


"All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
 

headiez247

shut the fuck up Donny
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how many examples do you want where people "stood up to authority" without legal help and failed miserably?

should we start with 100?

also half your links dont work and the first link is from some shitty personal site. use real news sources.
 
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OneTokeOver

how many examples do you want where people "stood up to authority" without legal help and failed miserably?

should we start with 100?

also half your links dont work and the first link is from some shitty personal site. use real news sources.


How many examples of the abuse of authority will you tolerate before you stand up? 1000? 10,000? 1?

I applaud anyone who has the courage to stand up for OUR rights and fight the system.


The links worked for me. If they didn't I would have gotten off my ass, gone to the original article and tried to verify the sources.
 

headiez247

shut the fuck up Donny
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How many examples of the abuse of authority will you tolerate before you stand up? 1000? 10,000? 1?

I applaud anyone who has the courage to stand up for OUR rights and fight the system.


The links worked for me. If they didn't I would have gotten off my ass, gone to the original article and tried to verify the sources.

I'm actually able to surf the internet without getting off my ass and if I cared enough to research it I would of.

Are you medicalgreen's domestic partner?
 

hamstring

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"Anthony Hill for making the "7/7 Ripple Effect" which, in less than an hour and using strictly mainstream media reports,"

So let me get this straight your insinuating this guy is a hero for using a loophole that has nothing at all to do with his case to get off.

This is news to you? Did you see the OJ trial? My own personal belief is these loop holes are why the justice system sucks money and power buy innocence not justice.

So I ask you again what’s new or compelling in this story.

If you want to bring the justice system to it’s knees try getting more than 35% of the people to vote on something in their own fucking state. People have the power they choose not to use it because the voting booth isn’t at Wal-Mart or on the way to McDonalds.

Think VOTE not loopholes.
 
So let me get this straight your insinuating this guy is a hero for using a loophole that has nothing at all to do with his case to get off.

This is news to you? Did you see the OJ trial? My own personal belief is these loop holes are why the justice system sucks money and power buy innocence not justice.

So I ask you again what’s new or compelling in this story.

If you want to bring the justice system to it’s knees try getting more than 35% of the people to vote on something in their own fucking state. People have the power they choose not to use it because the voting booth isn’t at Wal-Mart or on the way to McDonalds.

Think VOTE not loopholes.

The voting system is rigged. Google james and kenneth Collier votescam

What's compelling and important about the case is the fact that the crown wanted this person really bad, and they had to leave him alone ultimately, because he beat their system, loophole or not.

People love to call it a loophole when someone uses arcane or abnormal law practices, but they don't understand the hoops that the system must get you to jump through, which themselves are nothing more than loopholes to convict you.

If something works, take a good look at it, because it may be a very good chance for freedom. If you don't bother to examine it carefully, and you want to stand up right away and shout "shananigans", then you are probably already a couch potato with no will to be free anyways.

What you are calling a loophole, [the oath of authority] is the tip of an iceberg, not a simple little flaw. The powers that be do not operate in this world by sheer might and will. They operate with our agreement and consent. The way they are able to get our consent is because they have us convinced that their position is one of appropriate authority, and what they enforce is God's law through man. Gods law always comes first, and the Oath and Bond are our insurance policy that they act in our interests and without prejudice.

I think there are many people here who have not done the fundamental studies on law to understand there "law" comes from. Law comes from God, then down through man, and man is sworn to uphold God's law. Without upholding Gods law, the King has no authority at all.

In America the people are supposed to be sovereign. We only give a portion of our sovereignty up to government for our mutual benefit and protection. Without an Oath to uphold the Constitution and Gods law, they have absolutely no authority other than sheer will and power of the gun. That's not the way it works. If it ever comes to that, that's when blood flows in the streets.

The person prosecuting you, MUST have this filed and properly in place, otherwise they have no right to even speak to you at all.
 
From Jim Fetzers Blog

Saturday, May 14, 2011

The Trial of Muad'Dib (9-12 May 2011)

The Trial of Muad'Dib (9-12 May 2011)

Special Report

For anyone who has been following the extraordinary case of Muad'Dib, the "Not Guilty!" verdict rendered yesterday must be seen as a win for the Truth about 7/7 and for justice in the Courts.

Muad'Dib, or John Anthony Hill (JAH), is the producer of a documentary film entitled "7/7 Ripple Effect" about the 7/7/2005 London bombings, which was released to the internet on the 5th of November in 2007. In less than an hour, using mainstream media news reports, the film exposes the false flag operation that took the lives of 56 innocent people that day and injured close to 800 others. Muad'Dib, who was extradicted from Ireland for sending his study to officials of the Court hearing a case against associates of the alleged "suicide bombers", and others have been interviewed multiple times on "The Real Deal" regarding this ordeal, which has lasted for over two years thus far.

The Background

Muad'Dib was arrested in February, 2009 in Ireland on the authority of an EU arrest warrant, supposedly for "doing an act tending and intended to pervert the course of justice contrary to common law". This trumped-up charge was officially for sending DVDs of his film to a UK court to prevent a miscarriage of justice after the judge and QC BAR-rister in the case lied to the jurors from the outset about the guilt of the 4 alleged 7/7 bombers (Mohammed Sidique Khan, Shehzad Tanweer, Germaine Lindsay and Hasib Hussain). Muad'Dib then fought extradition from Ireland to the UK to face this malicious and politically motivated charge for more than 20 months until the British-controlled Irish Supreme court ruled to extradite him to the UK on the 11/11/2010 at an 11:00am hearing.

Thanks to a British legal system that so desperately wanted to keep him under lock and key that on 4 occasions they didn't deliver him from prison to his scheduled bail hearings, he spent a total of 157 days in prison.

Supposedly this was for sending DVDs of the "7/7 Ripple Effect" film to the UK court that was trying 3 innocent terror patsies whom the British government falsely accused of "helping" the 4 alleged 7/7 bombers. In reality the British government was punishing Muad'Dib for making the film and hoping that they could silence him by throwing him in one of "her majesty's" dungeons. What they didn't bank on though was that Muad'Dib would challenge their entire system, including the sovereignty of Elizabeth A.M. Battenberg/Mountbatten, who is known by the criminal alias "Elizabeth II" and "the House of Windsor". She is the richest woman on the planet and has been pretending to be the monarch for over 58 years.

Elizabeth A.M. Battenberg is not only the head of the Church (of England) and State (the U.K. and the British Commonwealth), but she is also head of the BAR (British Accreditation Registry), the head of the Committee of 300 and of the New World Order (NWO). And the very last thing the NWO wants is for someone to expose their false flag operations, the way Muad'Dib's film "7/7 Ripple Effect" has done. If you haven't seen the film yet, please go to http://jforjustice.co.uk/77 and download it now. It's a free tutorial on how these false flag operations are pulled off.

Confronting the Queen

Why would Muad'Dib challenge the entire system instead of focusing on the trumped-up charge they had used to lock him up? Because he has rock-solid proof that Elizabeth is a fraud and exposing her would put a major spanner in the works of the NWO endless war of terror machine and their plans to exterminate over 90% of the world's population of "useless eaters" (or "consumers", if you prefer that word).

So what does the richest, most powerful woman on the planet do when she is about to be embarrassed and exposed as a fraud? She cheated, that's what she did. Please see the following link for a summary of how the first day of Muad'Dib's Trial went, where Elizabeth's sovereignty and the jurisdiction of "her majesty's" courts were questioned.

http://mtrial.org/node/129

There was no way THEY* could let of a jury see the irrefutable evidence and proof of her fraud that Muad'Dib has, so they first had a corrupt judge deny Muad'Dib's witness application behind closed doors and then purportedly send the paperwork to the wrong address so Muad'Dib wouldn't learn of it before the trial. That was followed up by the presiding judge at the trial denying Muad'Dib the basic right to a jury in the preliminary matter of his challenge to the jurisdiction and sovereignty of Elizabeth.

*THEY = The Hierarchy Enslaving You

Please think about this for a moment. Every judge in the U.K. has sworn an oath to Elizabeth. Every judge in the U.K. draws both their salary and their authority from Elizabeth. It should therefore be obvious that no judge in the U.K. could be impartial in a matter that questioned Elizabeth's authority and thus called into question the judge's authority as well. It's a blatant conflict of interest and that's exactly why Muad'Dib had lawfully requested a jury to decide the matter.

You can ask for a jury trial for a traffic citation, so why couldn't someone request a jury trial to decide a matter impossible for a judge to fairly decide? Are you starting to see just how afraid of this evidence THEY really are?

So THEY cheated and the judge ignored Muad'Dib's Challenge. THEY were anxious to move on to the trial, get a conviction on this ridiculous charge, and get Muad'Dib back in one of "her majesty's" prisons to silence him and teach everyone else to think twice before challenging the system.

Confident in their plan, THEY decided it would be in their best interest to finally allow their government controlled propaganda machine to let the story out, which they did on the 10th, as the trial on this trumped up charge of attempting to "…pervert the course of justice…" proceeded. Please see http://mtrial.org/node/131 or google "7/7 bombers 'were innocent patsies'."

The Flaw in their plan

The one big flaw in their plan though was a complete lack of evidence of any wrongdoing on the part of Muad'Dib. But hey, what are lawyers/barristers for if not to put on a convincing show for the jurors in the complete absence of anything of substance.

And that's exactly what THEY did. The prosecution spent hours going over DNA evidence, fingerprints and witness statements linking Muad'Dib to the DVDs that were sent to the UK court despite Muad'Dib readily confirming he sent the DVDs multiple times. A previous judge had ordered the prosecution months ago not to waste any more time or taxpayers' money on a completely unnecessary investigation of this very clearly established and undisputed fact.

So sure of themselves, the prosecution next decided to show the jury the "7/7 Ripple Effect”. Finally a productive use of everyone's time. Apparently it did not have the desired effect that the prosecution had anticipated, but we'll get to that in a moment.

The prosecution then presented as evidence audio files from the "7/7 Ripple Effect" extracted from Muad'Dib's computers that had been stolen during his initial arrest back in February of 2009. It was very kind of them to work so diligently to dig those files out of Muad'Dib's personal computer so that the jurors could hear again those parts of the film which have been in the public domain since the 5th of November 2007.

The "Case Cracker"

Then came the case cracker. The prosecution described to the jury how an "expert" had examined the http://jforjustice.co.uk website and email addresses, and found the website contained an identical copy of the "7/7 Ripple Effect" to the DVD copies of the film that were sent to the Kingston Crown court. Some more amazing detective work which we can only hope wasn't as costly as the totally unnecessary DNA evaluation. Of course the prosecutor could have simply asked Muad'Dib, who would have confirmed that the film content was the same online as on the DVDs, but that wouldn't have provided the drama that the prosecution was going for with the jurors. Remember, when you don't have any real evidence, you have to try to dazzle your audience/jurors with tricks and nonsense.

The prosecution ran out of undisputed facts to prove, so they rested. Muad'Dib took the stand.

What Muad'Dib shared wasn't really much different than what has been shared during the interviews he has done on "The Real Deal". He shared the story of how and why the film was made, and mentioned that he had seen the film "9/11 Ripple Effect" by Dave von Kleist from the Power Hour, an independent American TV show, which impressed him and inspired the title of the "7/7 Ripple Effect".

Muad'Dib explained that he had been motivated to send the DVDs of his film to the Kingston Crown court after learning of the misleading and outrageous statements made by Judge Peter Gross and QC Neil Flewitt at the first Kingston trial in their attempt to mislead the jurors into thinking there was no doubt that the 4 alleged bombers (Khan, Tanweer, Lindsay and Hussain) carried out the 7/7/2005 London bombings. How could a judge and a QC/prosecutor not be familiar with the presumption of innocence? The 4 alleged bombers have never been proven guilty in a court of law, or in any legitimate and independent public enquiry, and millions of people doubt the official government conspiracy theory. The 4 alleged bombers have only been tried in the government controlled propaganda machine, also known as the mainstream media.

"In Care of the Court"

Back to the Southwark Crown court and the case of Regina vs. Muad'Dib, we were then told that the DVDs sent to the judge and the jury foreman were sent IN CARE OF THE COURT, giving the Kingston court complete discretion over whether the material was then forwarded on to the judge and the jury. So how could sending information through the proper channels to the court to correct lies being told to the jurors by the judge and prosecutor be considered a crime? Well it certainly couldn't be considered improper to address information to the judge in care of the court because the judge should be able to determine whether the content of the film was relevant or not to the case in question. The judge at Southwark agreed and so that charge/count was dropped during Muad'Dib's Testimony.

The prosecution then moved on to the BBC hit piece, which the government controlled propaganda machine had used to try to discredit Muad'Dib in the hope of reversing the popularity of the "7/7 Ripple Effect" which was in the process of going viral. The prosecutor wanted to know why Muad'Dib had not participated, acting as if he had something to hide.

Muad'Dib pointed out that he had given the BBC his conditions before participating, which were that the BBC show the film unedited in its entirety on prime time, a condition they did not meet, and therefore Muad'Dib told them he would not cooperate with them in any way. The BBC then stalked him and ambushed him outside his home, which backfired on them as the "7/7 Ripple Effect" became even more popular as a result of the BBC hit piece.

But maybe the most telling story of all was the prosecution's admission that the film was made in such a way that it "changes the minds of the people who see it".

Isn't that the real reason THEY are so afraid of the film?

In the movie "Dune" Muad'Dib trained The Fremen/Freemen to use The (Weirding) Way of battle. The reason that it sounds "weird" to people is because it is the TRUTH, which cuts through all of the lies and can most definitely change the minds of the people who "see" and "hear" it.

Isaiah 33:19 "Thou shalt not see a fierce people, a people of a deeper speech than thou canst perceive; of a ridiculous (weird sounding) way of talking [The Truth], [that thou (the majority who believe they are human) can] not understand."

(For a more detailed explanation of the movie "Dune", please visit http://jahtruth.net/dune)

The prosecution may not have understood the Truth contained in the "7/7 Ripple Effect" and in the testimony of Muad'Dib, but the jury sure did. They saw through the prosecution's smoke and mirrors and found Muad'Dib not guilty, just as one would expect a fully-informed jury to do in such a clear-cut case of political persecution.

NOT GUILTY!

No wonder THEY were afraid to have a jury decide Muad'Dib's Challenge of the court's jurisdiction and Elizabeth's sovereignty. As George Orwell said, "in times of universal deceit, telling the Truth is a revolutionary act" or a (weird sounding) way of talking to most. If you haven't seen the Ripple Effect films, it's high time that you learn The (Weirding) Way and watch them both.

"9/11 Ripple Effect" about the September 11th, 2001 false flag attack in the U.S.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6847507648836588010#

"7/7 Ripple Effect" about the July 7th, 2005 false flag attack in the U.K.
http://jforjustice.co.uk/77

Hopefully people will build on this victory and help to dismantle the NWO/Global Elite before Elizabeth and her evil colleagues are able to complete their plans to kill most of us off through WW3 and poisoning us in various ways. The time to fight them is now, and the man to show us The Way is Muad'Dib.

Long Live The Fighters!

This special report was prepared with the assistance of Rob, a follower and close friend of Muad'Dib who, along with Nicholas Kollerstrom, the author of TERROR ON THE TUBE (revised and expanded edition, 2011), has kept me informed of developments in this case. For more, listen to my archived interviews with them on "The Real Deal", http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com
 

hamstring

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The voting system is rigged
. Google james and kenneth Collier votescam

What's compelling and important about the case is the fact that the crown wanted this person really bad, and they had to leave him alone ultimately, because he beat their system, loophole or not.

People love to call it a loophole when someone uses arcane or abnormal law practices, but they don't understand the hoops that the system must get you to jump through, which themselves are nothing more than loopholes to convict you.

If something works, take a good look at it, because it may be a very good chance for freedom. If you don't bother to examine it carefully, and you want to stand up right away and shout "shananigans", then you are probably already a couch potato with no will to be free anyways.

What you are calling a loophole, [the oath of authority] is the tip of an iceberg, not a simple little flaw. The powers that be do not operate in this world by sheer might and will. They operate with our agreement and consent. The way they are able to get our consent is because they have us convinced that their position is one of appropriate authority, and what they enforce is God's law through man. Gods law always comes first, and the Oath and Bond are our insurance policy that they act in our interests and without prejudice.

I think there are many people here who have not done the fundamental studies on law to understand there "law" comes from. Law comes from God, then down through man, and man is sworn to uphold God's law. Without upholding Gods law, the King has no authority at all.

In America the people are supposed to be sovereign. We only give a portion of our sovereignty up to government for our mutual benefit and protection. Without an Oath to uphold the Constitution and Gods law, they have absolutely no authority other than sheer will and power of the gun. That's not the way it works. If it ever comes to that, that's when blood flows in the streets.

The person prosecuting you, MUST have this filed and properly in place, otherwise they have no right to even speak to you at all.

It doesn’t make sense for me to get into pissing contest with you because you are already sold on you viewpoint but I will argue and win the voting point. "All politics are local" its a very famous saying and no one pays attention to local politics its not taught in our school systems and people including myself don’t completely understand it. An Alderman, which I believe are useless, sometimes wins on as little as 200 votes. This has nothing to do with the voting system and everything to do the fact that no one gives a shit because they get to eat with or without a job period. Voting works you just have to do it rather, to use your word, be a couch potato, looking for a loophole rather than taking positive action doesn’t ring true to me. I praise the son or daughter for joining the service to keep me free rather than praising him for finding a way-out of service so he can smoke dope all day and that’s right my dope smoking ass said that.

So being proactive about something is good I commend you and maybe this guy was falsely accused but, the end does not always justify the means and i just want to point out there are better ways of doing it.
I can’t imagine telling my kids, lets find a loophole in the justice system or welfare system or school system. Since the American school system sucks should I be telling my kids to find a way to cheat the system. I don’t agree with you I don’t. I'm not setting that kind of example. Get out the word vote local the systems not rigged we just choose not to use it.
 

HUGE

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Hamstring it seems you are attacking his morals for finding a " loophole" to defeat the people whohave been brutally ass raping the world with said loophole. This is honorable and righteous in every way. The system is rigged so telling your kids to play fair and join the army is setting them up for failure.
 
M

mugenbao

How many examples of the abuse of authority will you tolerate before you stand up? 1000? 10,000? 1?

I applaud anyone who has the courage to stand up for OUR rights and fight the system.


The links worked for me. If they didn't I would have gotten off my ass, gone to the original article and tried to verify the sources.
Good for you. I mean that sincerely. Having said that, what makes you think others aren't standing up for their rights, including people who take issue with the wild unsubstantiated claims in the original post? It doesn't take being a sarcastic prick, insulting others, or using hyperbole or wild claims to stand up for your rights. Some of us do so quietly through donations and other anonymous means, some of us do so through visible activism.

You have proof to back up your statement, or are you just looking for attention?
Back at you. There's no big conspiracy or attention-seeking here, I was simply pointing out that the article, like many such articles with a similar theme, provably contains factually inaccurate statements.

For starters, look up the claims about the ABA. Stick to factual articles with verifiable information (preferably with links or citations from actual original source documents) rather than opinion pieces. Once you're done with that, there are at least a dozen others that are easily identified. I can't be bothered to do your research for you, so I'm pretty much done with the thread.

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Solidopc

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Interesting. Doubt id ever get my lawyer to think it was a good idea mind, they allways seem to tell me to plead guilty, mainly cos i am, lol, and get some credit for that.

One thing that sounded weird, was 83% of jurors thought this or thast. How did they come out with 83%, there are 12 jurors, so not sure how they worked that one out.
 
It is this kind of "Thinking outside the box"...that got Wesley Snipes where he is today!! lol

Yes, I agree, you are 100% correct here. But it's not because of his thinking outside the box, it's a result of learning some information when your in trouble, then thinking you can use that info to get out of the trouble you are already in. No time to learn, not a good thing. Next mistake on his part was that he actually hired a lawyer, who plead him out. He started down a sovereign path, and then backed off because he had money to pay liars but not time to study for himself.

In this case of Wesley Snipes, he hired a liar and look where it got him.
 

kmk420kali

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Yes, I agree, you are 100% correct here. But it's not because of his thinking outside the box, it's a result of learning some information when your in trouble, then thinking you can use that info to get out of the trouble you are already in. No time to learn, not a good thing. Next mistake on his part was that he actually hired a lawyer, who plead him out. He started down a sovereign path, and then backed off because he had money to pay liars but not time to study for himself.

In this case of Wesley Snipes, he hired a liar and look where it got him.

I have to hand it to ya bro...you are articulate, and very polite (sometimes)..so I will accept that we will not agree on anything concerning Law--
You are an Idealist, and I am a Realist...impossible to agree--:tiphat:
 

hamstring

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Hamstring it seems you are attacking his morals for finding a " loophole" to defeat the people whohave been brutally ass raping the world with said loophole. This is honorable and righteous in every way. The system is rigged so telling your kids to play fair and join the army is setting them up for failure.

I guess in your eyes but how about all the people in the civil rights movement who took the nonviolent course of action. Those who were careful to be honest and fair. Were all those guys who got their heads caved in over something they believed in "failures"? Well, yes in some viewpoints they were but a war is not won by one battle alone.

There is always failure when you take the high road. Then again when you come in preaching to the masses to play dirty because the other guy does you have already lost. Face it you may win a couple of battles but I will bet my life on the fact your not going to win the war by telling people to cheat.

Doesn’t work, history has show that over and over again. In the end you will fail with these types of approaches because people have an innate sense of fairness and freedom. Its human nature because unlike lower species we have the ability to feel empathy and we see our lives through others and we don’t want to be looking at a cheater in the mirror.
 

HUGE

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I guess in your eyes but how about all the people in the civil rights movement who took the nonviolent course of action. Those who were careful to be honest and fair. Were all those guys who got their heads caved in over something they believed in "failures"? Well, yes in some viewpoints they were but a war is not won by one battle alone.

There is always failure when you take the high road. Then again when you come in preaching to the masses to play dirty because the other guy does you have already lost. Face it you may win a couple of battles but I will bet my life on the fact your not going to win the war by telling people to cheat.

Doesn’t work, history has show that over and over again. In the end you will fail with these types of approaches because people have an innate sense of fairness and freedom. Its human nature because unlike lower species we have the ability to feel empathy and we see our lives through others and we don’t want to be looking at a cheater in the mirror.

lets get this strait. im telling you not to send your kids to the army, and to let them know the system is rigged. also that the "loophole" in question was a court ruling that proves we have been wronged so yes wrong them back with it.

if anything is violent its the military. im telling you to stand up for something you believe in: the beliefe that the govt is out of control and lies to you. absolutely be fair and kind thats what im saying. tell your kids not to go kill people and learn the rules of life.
 

havalota

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Learn the law, use the law to regain your liberties, use the law to punish those who would enslave you. This is the single most important web site I have EVER found. Learn and be free. This is just the beginning. On the link below, go to myth #22 for a course in history, and current government standing, it will blow your mind.

http://www.teamlaw.net/Mythology.htm#Strawman

I prefer liberty with danger to slavery with security.
 

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