Pics of, and notes on growing my cannabis
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This batch of MOB came out spectacularly good... everything has been spectacular since switching back to Pure Blend Pro. 
Gen Hydro was good for simplicity, but I'm completely over it... again. I've had a love/hate relationship with GH over the years... great for ease-of-use, but (and I don't CARE what anyone says to the contrary) the taste potential of --even the best-- GH buds is not on par with most organic or organic/based nutrients. And the plants favor PBP over Gen Hydro, showing growth rates I have simply not seen with GH.
The buds in this post are all PBP-grown buds, and the taste/burn is far superior to any GH bud I have smoked, anywhere. When you flush a GH plant, the plant can be really, really clean, but it also tastes devoid of that certain something that makes pot so special... A flatness, boredom factor. However, the PBP bud, grown by the same pH and PPM strategy as GH, can be as clean as GH bud, but retains that special, full, rich character that is not possible with Gen Hydro. All of these statements are just my opinion, and has been my opinion for my entire career (that organic or even organic-based nutes have the potential to produce buds far superior to GH or the other straight up chemical nutrients).
My buddy Rez takes umbrage with my opinion on this topic, but I tried it his way, gave it a really good, long try, and the result is what I thought before... GH is a good nute, simple to use, produces visually awesome results, gets you high, etc... but somehow the soul of the thing is missing. Now I need to attempt the impossible... get his to convert to my ways. The ONLY difference between his way and mine is... the nutrient solution. We both use straight, unamended coco coir as a medium, both use similar PPM and pH ranges, starve the plants for the same amount of time before harvest, etc... I tried his way, now he should try mine. Super simple to do, just feed either Bloom or grow, adjust the PPMs appropriately for the stage of growth the plant is in, and flush at the end... voila! Same buds as GH, but tastier... just as easy, if not easier to do with PBP. Come on Rez! It's been 20 years of GH!!! What's one run of PBP gonna harm!?
Anyhow, the pictures...
This is some MOB that we just finished. Very, very strong odor on this stuff! Growing with GH, I had no idea what this stuff could really smell like... STRONG... Sweet, berry-ish. The smell pounds though the ziplock bag.
This is SFV OGKush, everyone's favorite! Well, lots of people I know consider it their favorite anyhow. I haven't smoked OG this good in YEARS!!! So good. Smells like dank, slightly lemony, fresh baked kushy cake. Got me wasted this afternoon. Big, fat cannon joint burned right down to a tiny roach. We had to stop because it was burning our fingers. Gotta love that.
The Sharon White Widows are about a week from going to the flower room. I look forward to seeing how she likes the new nutrient regimen... and REALLY looking forward to finishing her and getting absolutely wasted with Sharon for the first time in a long time!
I will be cycling the MOB out of production soon. We have a few left in veg, but that's the end of it. Not my favorite growth habits... slow to veg, not much stretch ( I like a decent stretch in flower), and very leafy. Great bud, but isn't making the grade, overall.
Started 4 Chem D x Sour Diesel seeds... they're only a few inches tall at this point, hoping for a good, sour-smelling plant... but that's a lot to ask when the Chem D smell is what it's fighting against there.
Well, that's an update.
Gen Hydro was good for simplicity, but I'm completely over it... again. I've had a love/hate relationship with GH over the years... great for ease-of-use, but (and I don't CARE what anyone says to the contrary) the taste potential of --even the best-- GH buds is not on par with most organic or organic/based nutrients. And the plants favor PBP over Gen Hydro, showing growth rates I have simply not seen with GH.The buds in this post are all PBP-grown buds, and the taste/burn is far superior to any GH bud I have smoked, anywhere. When you flush a GH plant, the plant can be really, really clean, but it also tastes devoid of that certain something that makes pot so special... A flatness, boredom factor. However, the PBP bud, grown by the same pH and PPM strategy as GH, can be as clean as GH bud, but retains that special, full, rich character that is not possible with Gen Hydro. All of these statements are just my opinion, and has been my opinion for my entire career (that organic or even organic-based nutes have the potential to produce buds far superior to GH or the other straight up chemical nutrients).
My buddy Rez takes umbrage with my opinion on this topic, but I tried it his way, gave it a really good, long try, and the result is what I thought before... GH is a good nute, simple to use, produces visually awesome results, gets you high, etc... but somehow the soul of the thing is missing. Now I need to attempt the impossible... get his to convert to my ways.
The ONLY difference between his way and mine is... the nutrient solution. We both use straight, unamended coco coir as a medium, both use similar PPM and pH ranges, starve the plants for the same amount of time before harvest, etc... I tried his way, now he should try mine. Super simple to do, just feed either Bloom or grow, adjust the PPMs appropriately for the stage of growth the plant is in, and flush at the end... voila! Same buds as GH, but tastier... just as easy, if not easier to do with PBP. Come on Rez! It's been 20 years of GH!!! What's one run of PBP gonna harm!? Anyhow, the pictures...
This is some MOB that we just finished. Very, very strong odor on this stuff! Growing with GH, I had no idea what this stuff could really smell like... STRONG... Sweet, berry-ish. The smell pounds though the ziplock bag.
This is SFV OGKush, everyone's favorite!
Well, lots of people I know consider it their favorite anyhow. I haven't smoked OG this good in YEARS!!! So good. Smells like dank, slightly lemony, fresh baked kushy cake. Got me wasted this afternoon. Big, fat cannon joint burned right down to a tiny roach. We had to stop because it was burning our fingers. Gotta love that. The Sharon White Widows are about a week from going to the flower room. I look forward to seeing how she likes the new nutrient regimen... and REALLY looking forward to finishing her and getting absolutely wasted with Sharon for the first time in a long time!
I will be cycling the MOB out of production soon. We have a few left in veg, but that's the end of it. Not my favorite growth habits... slow to veg, not much stretch ( I like a decent stretch in flower), and very leafy. Great bud, but isn't making the grade, overall.
Started 4 Chem D x Sour Diesel seeds... they're only a few inches tall at this point, hoping for a good, sour-smelling plant... but that's a lot to ask when the Chem D smell is what it's fighting against there.
Well, that's an update.
This batch of MOB came out spectacularly good... everything has been spectacular since switching back to Pure Blend Pro.
The buds in this post are all PBP-grown buds, and the taste/burn is far superior to any GH bud I have smoked, anywhere. When you flush a GH plant, the plant can be really, really clean, but it also tastes devoid of that certain something that makes pot so special... A flatness, boredom factor. However, the PBP bud, grown by the same pH and PPM strategy as GH, can be as clean as GH bud, but retains that special, full, rich character that is not possible with Gen Hydro. All of these statements are just my opinion, and has been my opinion for my entire career (that organic or even organic-based nutes have the potential to produce buds far superior to GH or the other straight up chemical nutrients).
My buddy Rez takes umbrage with my opinion on this topic, but I tried it his way, gave it a really good, long try, and the result is what I thought before... GH is a good nute, simple to use, produces visually awesome results, gets you high, etc... but somehow the soul of the thing is missing. Now I need to attempt the impossible... get his to convert to my ways.
Thanks for sharing your observations CC, very interesting! Just curious, have you tried supplementing GH nutes with organics? How about PBP vs pure organics? I've been running GH and Cutting Edge Solutions (GH copy) for some time and completely agree on pure synthetics lacking in flavor and smell.
However, adding organic components has DRAMATICALLY improved both departments, won't run it without some form of organics or alternating feedings. Recently been very happy with adding Bountea and the plants love it, especially in coco.
Been contemplating running different nutes for a change, might have to give PBP a shot. Always need to push yourself as a grower and try new things when you can. Thanks again for striving for perfection and sharing your results.
mariman
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Phew, I was beginning to worry about your choice of nutes!
Phew, I was beginning to worry about your choice of nutes!
Long time, no see, sir CC,
Sharon Widow came up in conversation, did a search, led me right here to be entertained by your words and photos. Ahh, and the MOB, haa, it IS making its rounds.
Glad that you gave GH a documented try. Perhaps this will nudge Rez and others to give organics a go. A big green sign: "organics this way, anyway!"
Theres a jar full of organically grown jewels for you and the Mrs sittin' here. Hopefully some '91 chem s1 buds whose subtle complexities shine particularly bright when grown organically will end up in your hands as well. "you've ruined me for any other bud" comes to mind, they get gobbled up as soon as they are dry, one guy has built no tolerance and its been over a year! Its a favorite around here.
Are you giving guinea hens another try this year? Plenty of ticks so far to keep them busy!
Talk to you soon,
M
Phew, I was beginning to worry about your choice of nutes!
Long time, no see, sir CC,
Sharon Widow came up in conversation, did a search, led me right here to be entertained by your words and photos. Ahh, and the MOB, haa, it IS making its rounds.
Glad that you gave GH a documented try. Perhaps this will nudge Rez and others to give organics a go. A big green sign: "organics this way, anyway!"
Theres a jar full of organically grown jewels for you and the Mrs sittin' here. Hopefully some '91 chem s1 buds whose subtle complexities shine particularly bright when grown organically will end up in your hands as well. "you've ruined me for any other bud" comes to mind, they get gobbled up as soon as they are dry, one guy has built no tolerance and its been over a year! Its a favorite around here.
Are you giving guinea hens another try this year? Plenty of ticks so far to keep them busy!
Talk to you soon,
M
Brotherindica, I have run everything from hydro, organic hydro, pure organic, ammended organic/chemical, you name it, i have probably run it. Not aquaculture, but just about everything else. And yes, i have absolutely tried adding organic to my GH regimen... It helps, but doesn't fix the problem completely. I've gotten good results from most of these methods, but the greatest potential for quality is always with the method closest to the sun.
Quality potential... Degrees from the sun.
It seems to me that overall quality potential of our marijuana is determined by how far removed our nutrient source is from the sun... What I mean by this is, phosphorus that comes from a rock is not as close to the sun as phosphorus from a fruit, or other organic matter.
By "close to the sun" I don't mean in miles or distance, but how many levels away from the sun... for instance, the nitrogen in urine is pretty close to the sun, but the nitrogen in a plant is even closer to the sun. Therefore, composted plant matter with high nitrogen is going to have more potential for quality results than uric nitrogen, which came from plants, but was consumed and converted by an animal. So, nitrogen from plant matter is one degree from the sun, while nitrogen from urea is two degrees from the sun. If, for instance, that urea is further processed in order to fit in a bottle of chemical nutrients, it is now three degrees from the sun. The sun gives soul to our plants, even when we are growing under artificial sun, so the further we get from the source, the less soul the plant is built with. IMO and experience.
Now, let me be clear about something... I have smoked terrible bud grown both with chem nutes and PURE organic methods, so what I'm talking about is POTENTIAL for quality, not guaranteed quality. If you employ the nutrient correctly, and keep the environment stable, you can coax great results from GH, but better results from nutrients closer to the sun.
Pure Blend is not the closest nutrient source to the sun, granted, but it is close enough to provide the soul that is lacking with GH.
It seems to me that overall quality potential of our marijuana is determined by how far removed our nutrient source is from the sun... What I mean by this is, phosphorus that comes from a rock is not as close to the sun as phosphorus from a fruit, or other organic matter.
By "close to the sun" I don't mean in miles or distance, but how many levels away from the sun... for instance, the nitrogen in urine is pretty close to the sun, but the nitrogen in a plant is even closer to the sun. Therefore, composted plant matter with high nitrogen is going to have more potential for quality results than uric nitrogen, which came from plants, but was consumed and converted by an animal. So, nitrogen from plant matter is one degree from the sun, while nitrogen from urea is two degrees from the sun. If, for instance, that urea is further processed in order to fit in a bottle of chemical nutrients, it is now three degrees from the sun. The sun gives soul to our plants, even when we are growing under artificial sun, so the further we get from the source, the less soul the plant is built with. IMO and experience.
Now, let me be clear about something... I have smoked terrible bud grown both with chem nutes and PURE organic methods, so what I'm talking about is POTENTIAL for quality, not guaranteed quality. If you employ the nutrient correctly, and keep the environment stable, you can coax great results from GH, but better results from nutrients closer to the sun.
Pure Blend is not the closest nutrient source to the sun, granted, but it is close enough to provide the soul that is lacking with GH.
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Mariman, no need to worry about me... I tried GH, twice now in my career... The first time I didn't like the results and went back to organic-based nutes. Then, when I needed to produce consistently large yields, I went back to GH and gave it a really concentrated try, amended it with organics, humic acids, etc. I was determined to ride that horse as hard as I could to see if I could coax soul from it... I was unable. The results look as good as any other bud, but the smell/taste difference is like comparing a rose grown in a greenhouse for floral arrangements vs. an odoriferous garden rose dripping with lovely scents.They look the same, but the garden rose actually smells like a rose.
On the plus side, GH helped me get a grip on what PPM/pH my plants like best, and now I apply that knowledge with PBP, and the plants LOVE it! Seeing results like never before.
There are some instances where I would still recommend GH, but mostly for large scale growers who don't know much about growing, or who want to work as little as possible and care more about yield than quality of taste/odor.
On the plus side, GH helped me get a grip on what PPM/pH my plants like best, and now I apply that knowledge with PBP, and the plants LOVE it! Seeing results like never before.
There are some instances where I would still recommend GH, but mostly for large scale growers who don't know much about growing, or who want to work as little as possible and care more about yield than quality of taste/odor.
Heya CC, How ya doing man? I remember having a conversation with you about this years ago! The fact of the matter is still the same now as it was then... GH 3 part=Mediocrity. I agree 3 part is great for big production, (especially where skill is minimal). CC....bubble some earthjuice man.....makes the pbp taste like 3parts red headed step-child. DLB
I used to use Earth Juice exclusively, DLB. I didn't like the scum build up in the tank, but now that I've been using 29% hydrogen peroxide in between talk fills, I might give er a go again. How accurately is PPM read in EJ? I used to not measure PPM with EJ. Also, I want to be able to use straight coco for a medium.
I only recommend Earthjuice to be hand fed to soil grown containers. It will gunk up the working parts of a hydro system very quickly ( the gunk is the magic!)
Standard recipe for bloom is-15ml bloom, 5ml grow, 5ml catalyst per gallon and aerated for 24 hours before use. Fresh batches of nutrients must be made for each watering. Holding resivoirs of EJ will not go well. Earthjuice is about the love...so ya gotta be hands on. DLB Ps. its EJ...who cares what the ppm reads!
Standard recipe for bloom is-15ml bloom, 5ml grow, 5ml catalyst per gallon and aerated for 24 hours before use. Fresh batches of nutrients must be made for each watering. Holding resivoirs of EJ will not go well. Earthjuice is about the love...so ya gotta be hands on. DLB Ps. its EJ...who cares what the ppm reads!
loyalty7
Member
great info crazy composer. i too have experienced the gh with coco, and pbp with coco, and u are right there is a huge difference, the gh just has something missing. iguana juice from advanced gave me better results in taste then both. As for the m.o.b i had it gave it three runs, one with canna, one with gh, and one with pbp, pbp def brought out some flavors, but the veg and yields were horrible, i was cutting her around 42 days and she was finished, which is really fast, but the yields and veg times sent her to the trash, your galadriel looks sick.As far as flushing with 300ppm, is that pbp. very interested in your method, i have read that tobacco companies flush with calcium, thats how they get the good burn and white ash.. has me intrigued, please tell us more.
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OGvenom
thnx for sharing good info awesome pictures,Been searching for the sfv for a while now amazing smoke and flavor to match.The funny thing is i stay in the sfv but cant get the dam cut.
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B. Self Reliant
How does the PBP register on a Ph/PPM meter? I know it's not a true organic product, but would a potential convert still be able to whip up 1000 PPM veg & flower recipes, or is it more like true organics where it's more touchy-feeley than that?
Dlb... EJ is good, I'm just not sure it would be ideal for coco.
Well, I have been doing a two week step down in nutrients, and the last week is just pH adjusted water. The step down is important, IMO, because if you just suddenly go from full nutrients to zero nutrients, the plant will hold onto lots of nasty stuff because they sense starvation, and so even a three week flush of straight water can be useless. They can look yellow and clean, but taste horrible.
However, if you gradually reduce the PPMs from highest down to zero over the course of two weeks, the plant has a chance to use what it has stored, and has the nutrients (even in these diminishing amounts) that it needs to continue ripening and using up stored elements.
If I am feeding at a high of 1000PPMs, and I want to start the step down, I will feed at maybe 800, then 600, 400, then hold at 300-400 ppms until the last week, at which time we go to straight water.
Hope that clears it up
Well, this is why I like PBP in particular, it registers PERFECTLY on a PPM meter. However, the thick, heavy, organic nutrients don't seem to register correctly on a PPM meter. That's probably because the PPM meter is measuring dissolved salts in the water, and the thick organic nutes have not yet interacted with the soil and actually released their potential salts/metals/minerals. So, since I insist on a degree of control over exactly how much I'm feeding every day, I must go with an organically-based nutrient, versus a completely organic sludge that won't tell me it's PPM.
I have complete control (or at least every bit of control I have ever wanted to have) with PBP. The PPMs read true, and immediately, the nutrient does not need a living medium (soil) in order to deliver it's payload, and the results are fast. Another thing I love about PBP is... if you skip even as few as two feedings (assuming you're feeding at around 1000PPM 5 or 6 times a week), the plant will show signs of nitrogen deprivation. That means the plant is getting just enough to have what it needs, which is right where I like to keep them.
The feeding is really easy... 1000+/-ppm of the Grow formula during all of veg and the first two weeks of 12/12... then switch to the Bloom formula at 1000+/- PPMs until three weeks before harvest... Then do the step down mentioned above.
No nutrient amendments are used, just coco, and PBP (Grow and Bloom). Done.
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B. Self Reliant
Thanks. . . that'a all I needed to know. As long as it registers on my Hanna meters I'm a happy man. I'll have to give it a shot my next round.
Some plants are getting chopped today.
MOB, Chem #4 and the Sour Diesel are getting the axe, as I type.
Here's some MOB... the purple hues are mostly on the older calyxes, which are on the inside of the bud, so it doesn't look as colorful as it will once it's manicured and dried. I also used a bright flash, which drowns out some of that purple hue.
These Sours kicked ass. These are Rezdog's IBLs... They look exactly like the original mother clone IMO.
MOB, Chem #4 and the Sour Diesel are getting the axe, as I type.
Here's some MOB... the purple hues are mostly on the older calyxes, which are on the inside of the bud, so it doesn't look as colorful as it will once it's manicured and dried. I also used a bright flash, which drowns out some of that purple hue.
These Sours kicked ass. These are Rezdog's IBLs... They look exactly like the original mother clone IMO.
Man I need some sour back lol
Wow great thread and a pleasure to read. Just got ahold of some SFV and looking to yield similar to yourself...esp. considering these girls are considered low/moderate yielding. Im using organic soil rather then coir so im assuming this means i will yield less. under a 250 HPS in organic soil what would you expect to yield from a 3gal pot and a 2L pot? just curious to see what you'd expect if it was you growing it so i can have an idea for myself.
