My homemade "liquid karma" recipe

[mad librettist]

But remember when reconstituted you have the full-strength extract meaning that you have to dilute it down. I'm using 2 oz. per gallon for maintenance and I use the pure extract (undiluted) as a rooting gel by adding seaweed extract, humic and fulvic acids and liquid silica.

thanks for that CC,

do you have an exact recipe for your cloning aid?

The final way will mainly apply to areas of the country where you have large Mexican-American populations - fresh aloe vera fillets/leaves. A 30 lb. lug runs $16.00 and each leaf is about 18 - 21" and once you cut the end off and begin squeezing from the opposite end you'll end up with about 2.5 - 3 tablespoons. You have about a 30 minute window to work with before the benzoic acid begins to ferment and then you're on your own.

This applies to my situation. I can get giant aloe leaves about a block from my place.

But if I only have 30 minutes, what happens then? I can't really use it for anything? I mean, isn't that going to ferment whether I apply it to a cutting or not?

 

[CC_2U]

thanks for that CC,

do you have an exact recipe for your cloning aid?

I pretty much eyeball stuff but this is approximate and will give you the root mass you're looking for.

2 oz. aloe vera juice (or pick your favorite term)
1/64 tsp. seaweed extract
1/64 tsp. of you favorite humic acid
1/8 tsp. of liquid silica (assuming you're using the inexpensive product - Dyna-Gro Pro-TeKt)

Stir, mix and use.

One of the agents which will move the rooting process forward is of course the Salicylic acid content (willow shoots active compound) and then the 18 amino acids, full range of enzyme groups, minerals, vitamins, phytohormones, PGR, SAR, blah, blah, blah

Oh yeah - and it's got saponins. Like alfalfa, linseed meal and a slew of others. It would be easier to find a plant which did not product saponins than to begin a 100-year project of listing those which do.

HTH

CC

 

[organicterra]

I had this recipe in my notes as well:

2 tbs fresh aloe vera gel from leaves
1 tsp ful power
1/8 tsp pro tekt
small pinch of seaweed extract

very sticky and gooey. pretty much like a cloning gel

 

[CC_2U]

But if I only have 30 minutes, what happens then? I can't really use it for anything? I mean, isn't that going to ferment whether I apply it to a cutting or not?

Sorry about that, Mad - we cross-posted.

What I meant by my remark about 'you're on your own' is that when I was sending out emails, calling on the phones, etc. with 3 or 4 brokers and/or manufacturers the issue about almost instant fermentation came up again and again.

Keep in mind that these companies have never heard of using aloe vera anything other than human and livestock health, elixirs, etc.

I haven't let the pure gel ferment to see what would happen - what I meant is that this is an area for testing.

CC

 

[h.h.]

thanks for that CC,

do you have an exact recipe for your cloning aid?





This applies to my situation. I can get giant aloe leaves about a block from my place.

But if I only have 30 minutes, what happens then? I can't really use it for anything? I mean, isn't that going to ferment whether I apply it to a cutting or not?

Wouldn't the citric acid stop any fermentation? The fermentation is minimal anyway. Everything ferments after being picked.
So I soaked some yucca, squished up some fresh picked aloe in it along with a lime off the tree. The desert willow dropped some pretty purple flower mulch so that went in as well just cause I like purple flowers. A few rose hips for a bit more citric and some acacia bean pods because I was passing by. I still feel kelp extract would give it a boost.

 

[mad librettist]

Wouldn't the citric acid stop any fermentation?

we were talking about fresh squeezed

 

[h.h.]

I pretty much eyeball stuff but this is approximate and will give you the root mass you're looking for.

2 oz. aloe vera juice (or pick your favorite term)
1/64 tsp. seaweed extract
1/64 tsp. of you favorite humic acid
1/8 tsp. of liquid silica (assuming you're using the inexpensive product - Dyna-Gro Pro-TeKt)

Stir, mix and use.

One of the agents which will move the rooting process forward is of course the content (willow shoots active compound) and then the 18 amino acids, full range of enzyme groups, minerals, vitamins, phytohormones, PGR, SAR, blah, blah, blah

Oh yeah - and it's got saponins. Like alfalfa, linseed meal and a slew of others. It would be easier to find a plant which did not product saponins than to begin a 100-year project of listing those which do.

HTH

CC

Yet all saponins are not of the same value nor found in the same quantity. Salicylic acid can be found in willow leaves as well as peach and I believe most any stone fruit. Some disease resistance, otherwise good for a headache. Enzymes, I get from bananas and other sources.
A lot of hype from the Aloe producers that we are trying to transfix onto our plants. Mostly it's just nice on the hands.Edit...Thinking about aloe as a cloning gel, the properties described may well be an aid. As an additive, it doesn't seem very water soluble, as a cloning gel, it doesn't dissipate in water. Better for one than the other...Kelp it would seem is the same, hence the water soluble extract.
KELPAK claims they pressurize the cells to a bursting point. Now another stupid question...Would freezing do the same thing?

 

[CC_2U]

Yet all saponins are not of the same value nor found in the same quantity. Salicylic acid can be found in willow leaves as well as peach and I believe most any stone fruit. Some disease resistance, otherwise good for a headache. Enzymes, I get from bananas and other sources.
A lot of hype from the Aloe producers that we are trying to transfix onto our plants. Mostly it's just nice on the hands.

Uh huh.

Thanks for sharing. As usual your talking points are interesting. Your solution is to assemble stone fruit, willow shoots (not leaves - check your sources), bananas, et al. just to prove that you can achieve the same thing that you can from a single plant.

Try and do some research at Australian sustainable/organic/Biodynamic web sites for information about the use of aloe vera gels for developing both plants as well as soil health.

The comments about enzymes are pretty amusing as well. You make some point about 'saponin availability' (a term which doesn't show up at Google Scholar, SCIRUS, Soil Society of America, etc.) and then you blow of the term 'enzyme' as though the enzymes from a herbaceous plants is the same thing as the enzyme profile from a specific succulent plant.

CC

 

[h.h.]

we were talking about fresh squeezed

Sounds personal...

I mean pick it, squeeze it, and immediately add citric acid. In my case the lime tree is 10' from where I buried some aloe last winter. Dig a little dirt and fresh young shoots along with some larger tops sticking out of the soil. The dried stuff seems pretty baron.
The easiest way was to just squish it up in my hands then try to scrape any gel off of the inside. Makes them nice and soft for fresh squeezing.

 

[h.h.]

Uh huh.

Thanks for sharing. As usual your talking points are interesting. Your solution is to assemble stone fruit, willow shoots (not leaves - check your sources), bananas, et al. just to prove that you can achieve the same thing that you can from a single plant.

Try and do some research at Australian sustainable/organic/Biodynamic web sites for information about the use of aloe vera gels for developing both plants as well as soil health.

The comments about enzymes are pretty amusing as well. You make some point about 'saponin availability' (a term which doesn't show up at Google Scholar, SCIRUS, Soil Society of America, etc.) and then you blow of the term 'enzyme' as though the enzymes from a herbaceous plants is the same thing as the enzyme profile from a specific succulent plant.

CC

My point is by doing some research on what one has already available, they can supply most of is supplied with aloe. You mention willow, I mention a few others. In Australia on barren land,supplied cheaply, it might have promises. Bought by the gallon at Walmart...Something to play with.. As a cloning gel, you might have something
I admit a weak argument over the enzyme factor. I don't totally understand their role other than aid in breaking down protein? Not sure.
Never seemed to do much during the growth period. Perhaps in final flower?

 

[h.h.]

I believe the growth tips will provide you with much of what the shoots provide as far as auxins.
I'll have to check my sources as well as my terminology...

 

[mad librettist]

from a specific succulent plant.

can't help it CC, sorry - I just read that aloe is in the lily family, along with garlic and onions.

 

[h.h.]

can't help it CC, sorry - I just read that aloe is in the lily family, along with garlic and onions.

and yucca.

 

[organicterra]

I would encourage anyone who is curious to go get a gallon of the organic aloe vera juice from the nearest health food, whole food, trader joe, etc. and try adding 1-2 oz per gallon of water for the entire cycle.
Just do one plant as a test if you want.
You may be surprised.

or don't.

 

[h.h.]

What will it do? Don't care what's in it. Just want to know specifically what it does to an already healthy plant and soil system.

 

[organicterra]

To reference my post in your gravity thread:
"Kelp foliars in veg.
Top dress fish bone meal and k mag in flower.
Water with humic acid and aloe vera juice."

I feel these things are contributors to the major increase in yield I am seeing on my current grow.
The flower's are just stacking like crazy. Way more than previous runs even using some chem bloom enhancers.
I need a couple more runs to dial it in though but it is looking promising. Especially with my new soil mix and homemade compost.
I'm a believer in the aloe vera juice.

 

[vonforne]

Just mixed this up. Will be testing later this week.

In 2 gallons of water:

2 TBS earthworm castings
1.5 TBS alfalfa meal
1/4 tsp humic acid (TM-7)
1/4 tsp seaweed extract
2 oz aloe vera juice
1/2 tsp agave nectar
1 cup k-mag solution (1 TBS diluted in 1gal)

I was going to do this in 1 gal of water but thought I better dilute then work up from there.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

I did this a few years ago. Don´t forget the yucca extract and spirulina from the health food store.

V

 

[organicterra]

Regarding Yucca Extract:
Would this product be what you're referring to?

http://www.tandjenterprises.com/CCPRO/ecom-prodshow/yuccaextractpintwop.html

Is it redundant to use both aloe vera juice and yucca extract?

I'll have to look into the spirulina as well.
Thanks for stopping by.

 

[CC_2U]

OT

On the yucca extract that you linked to there's a couple of things that I experienced that you might find helpful.

1. Take the application rate and cut by 50% - at the suggested application rate suggested you may experience leaf burn and will almost always if you don't apply and then shut down the lights or apply as close to the shut-down time as possible. Something about the light or something.

2. Do not directly mix the Pro-TeKt (if you're using it) with the yucca extract. It turns into a gel immediately and you cannot get it to dilute. It's a real mess. If you're using the Pro-TeKt as an emulsifier for an oil (neem or whatever) then do that and then add to your water, mix, and then add the silica. I had it explained to me why this happens but it didn't make much sense (way too technical) and I forgot almost all of what was said.

CC

 

[GoneRooty]

Salicylic acid can be found in willow leaves as well as peach and I believe most any stone fruit. Some disease resistance, otherwise good for a headache. Enzymes, I get from bananas and other sources.

Salicylic acid is found in the growing tips of willow shoots, and most fruits and vegetables. However, willow is the best natural source for it. And salicylic acid is a natural rooting hormone.
As for your banana enzymes, do you use ripe or unripe bananas?