Seed Prices Out of control?

[FinallyFree]

Eh, I have to agree with the outrageous prices. This is reminding me of the marc emery rape-everyone days.

Seeds should be $5 MAX, per seed, bottom line. $50 is PLENTY for a 10 pack. You'd be very, very surprised at how much money these breeders make.

Everything takes work, effort, time, care, etc. That doesn't give breeders the right to, on one hand, call for legalization, yet on the other abuse and take advantage of growers through profiteering. Understandable that seeds can't be given away for free, but they can make PLENTY of money if seeds were $20-50 a pack versus, for example, sour diesel being almost $150 for 10 seeds....with a 50/50 ratio, you basically just paid $150 for 5 female plants.

Now, the thought process is that if you sell weed (illegal in most places) you can make your money back, which is true. What if people are just straight up canna fanatics and grow for ALL personal, and don't sell but want to run various strains? (2) 10 packs can cost someone upwards of almost $300...a weeks' pay for some...which I find ridiculous...

It's hype, too. Sour Diesel was hyped and the hype is reflected in the price. How many people do you hear hyping Nirvana's 'swiss cheese'? I think for better quality you should pay more, but attempting to rationalize price gouging is like attempting to rationalize pedophilia.

 

[KonradZuse]

Lets do some math. 1 seed could potentially produce 1+ oz of buds which is probably an average of 200$, so I'm not sure how expensive 1 seed for 10$ is especially when you're getting top quality and genetics. EVEN IF YOU PAID 150 FOR 10 SEEDS AND 1 WAS FEMALE AND YOU GET AN OZ THAT MEANS YOU MADE 50$.

 

[smoke1sun]

Lets do some math. 1 seed could potentially produce 1+ oz of buds which is probably an average of 200$, so I'm not sure how expensive 1 seed for 10$ is especially when you're getting top quality and genetics. EVEN IF YOU PAID 150 FOR 10 SEEDS AND 1 WAS FEMALE AND YOU GET AN OZ THAT MEANS YOU MADE 50$.

1 seed can produce 1+ oz... I agree

How many seeds can 1 plant make?

Its 2 fold, all valid points, thank god there's choice's for us "freeloading, always wanting something for free stoners?

 

[FinallyFree]

People are under the assumption that everyone who grows sells marijuana on the black market. Not everyone does, so the theory that seeds can produce money really doesn't apply to everyone, yet seed breeders assume that which is what drives prices up unfairly. Nobody says things should be free, but be reasonable especially when the industry you are in is so lucrative and many people go to jail because of it - if anything, you should lower prices so more people can enjoy the wonderful plant.

 

[smokefrogg]

some of my favorite plants i'm running right now were from bagseed or seed given to me, of course some of the paid ones are right up there as well, kinda' funny i feel...hope the f13 and true blueberry live up to the hype, thank you to the kind person that gifted those pricey beans to me, lord knows i wouldn't have been able to afford even just 1 pack at the time

 

[Danki-Herbals]

if you take into consideration the amount of time that goes ito breeding a strain ( actually working it a selecting phenos and stabilizeing, not just dumping pollen and getting seeds for no effort )then i say that on an avg seeds are very resonable..i make thousands of my own seeds and still have absoloutley no problem shelling out bucks for decent genetics that someone took the time and energy to work with to optimize there interpretation of awesome! now im not saying there is alot of un worthy beans being passed for more then awesome ones. but all it takes is a lil research to see if someone put effort into their product. ive paid 20 bucks all the way up to 180 bucks for seed packs .. and i feel that with everything, there is quality and pride and trustworthy products, and there is the others tha just do it as quick as possible and as much as they can so they can sell it for tons... ill tell yah , i love makeing a distributing seeds but it in no way is about being able to survive off of it. its for the creation and spreading of new genetics that might just be what someones been looking for .. all that time.

and to me i shell out decent bucks for genetic if they are worth it, if they are what i want, but i do admit only few and far between genetics are worth the top dollar but there are some and well the other.

 

[FinallyFree]

Capitalizing on your creation is understandable, but also understanding the fact that our beloved plant is illegal and we sweat every day to help make it legal you would THINK people would HELP people grow more rather than price gouge and use the excuse that 'it takes time' so the prices are justified.

On the other hand, people spend millions on a car (IE., lamborghini reventon) when you can buy a car for a few hundred bucks. It's luxury, and if you have the money you can have it, but i think because of the industry and culture we are involved in, it is an exception to the rule.

 

[Greyskull]

i THINK gypsy is HELPING folks grow, guy
so is everyone else who's getting beans to gypsy, whether they are for donations or for business.
whether they intended to help more growers or just make some dinero.
which is awesome, because in the end folks are getting help growing better pot than ever before.

you can ride the bus or you can buy your own fucking car.

 

[FinallyFree]

i THINK gypsy is HELPING folks grow, guy
so is everyone else who's getting beans to gypsy, whether they are for donations or for business.
whether they intended to help more growers or just make some dinero.
which is awesome, because in the end folks are getting help growing better pot than ever before.

you can ride the bus or you can buy your own fucking car.

For someone who is posting on a cannabis growing site, you need to calm down a bit... Referring to me as 'guy' and telling me off at the end of your post is not only rude but unlike most cannabis smokers I know...chill out. People can have opinions and you don't have to respond irrationally to them if yours is different.

gypsy is just a catalyst - he makes a small percentage on the seeds he sells. now, i could be wrong as he might be getting HUGE deals on seeds and marking them up extremely high, who knows. but in comparing the prices on the breeders' sites versus on the boo/bay, they're within reasonable markups from what i can tell.

providing seeds clearly and obviously helps people grow - it provides a fundamental element of the growing process - the plant. but, at the same time, i personally feel due to the nature of the movement and the culture associated with it many people believe that if you really truly wanted to see the world 'overgrown', lowering prices a bit and not charging $220 for 10 seeds (like sensi's NL5 x Haze) is a reasonable request. again, i understand the need to pay bills and make a living but i highly doubt the owner of these businesses are living in a studio apartment on a budget.

 

[SicKSKills]

5-10 per seed or per clone same difference at end of day, but in general, the price of every thing is on the rise, except the price of buds....

 

[FinallyFree]

5-10 per seed or per clone same difference at end of day, but in general, the price of every thing is on the rise, except the price of buds....

No, not really. That's like saying "$3 or $50 for a gallon of milk, same difference." You are right though, prices are and will continue to rise due to the exploitation of the world's financial system by the Federal Reserve, IMF, World Bank and the other evil fucking globalists. Problem is with drugs (any drug for that matter) prices, if anything, will drop until is it not profitable to sell it anymore.

A few years back charging $400 or $500 an ounce of some crazy sick strain on the east coast was commonplace. Now that people are low on funds those same prices are now $300-400. I can see them dropping further to say roughly $250-300 soon, but then mid-grade or the mexishit will have to drop from the common $100-120 an ounce to under $100...

 

[SicKSKills]

Either way its same price per plant so how is that not the same?

 

[FinallyFree]

Either way its same price per plant so how is that not the same?

I don't understand what you're asking. My general point is that seeds shouldn't cost anyone $200, but the problem I see is they base that off the assumption people are going to sell and make their money back - a good percentage of growers do not sell, so in the end they are the ones being price gouged because of the assumption made by breeders.

 

[Danki-Herbals]

and dont get me wrong , i love donateing seeds .. i believe i donate more then anything , thats what its about. and as i was saying , not all seeds are over priced, theres alot worth there price . i buy at least 2-4 new strains each season and a couple packs a piece usually something ive been eyeing like a kid at toy store window waiting for christmass, i dont know anyone who doesnt have a hobby or thing there into that they are always looking for the new edition to there hobbyset,.. i also do agree that some things arent quality and somethings are, somethings are worth what they ask some are not , that just means you can deciede what youd like to spend therefore you will never have to spend more then youd like on your hobby .

 

[Tomatoesonly]

I wish the breeders would just come out and say... "hey, we are full on capatalist, and we have a product you guys really really want, and we are gonna charge you whatever the hell we feel like.". I respect that. A take it or leave it attitude.
Don't pull the medical, political, humanitarian bullshit. That they are out there fighting "the man" and slipping you this underground product to help defeat "the system" and that they are producing these "meds" for all the poor poor sick folks, who just happen to be paying as much or more than the "back alley doper" prices at the legal humanitarian dispensaries. These guys are no different than Pfizer or any other big drug company. They have something people need, and they are gonna get there investment back and huge profit on top.

And just like Pfizer, some breeders have agreements or "patents" that nobody is allowed to sell copies of their product.

 

[FinallyFree]

I wish the breeders would just come out and say... "hey, we are full on capatalist, and we have a product you guys really really want, and we are gonna charge you whatever the hell we feel like.". I respect that. A take it or leave it attitude.
Don't pull the medical, political, humanitarian bullshit. That they are out there fighting "the man" and slipping you this underground product to help defeat "the system" and that they are producing these "meds" for all the poor poor sick folks, who just happen to be paying as much or more than the "back alley doper" prices at the legal humanitarian dispensaries. These guys are no different than Pfizer or any other big drug company. They have something people need, and they are gonna get there investment back and huge profit on top.

Wait, are you talking about Marc Emery?

That fa*ggot raped people for years on seed prices all while he claims he's the 'prince of pot' and 'for the cause' and 'for legalization' and tried to hype up how much he's done...let's not forget he's a child molester.

it's people like him and other breeders who do what you say therefore it leads me to believe what i believe as well...

i'd like to get an idea of what kind of income, per year, the CEO's of the major breeders out there make. would put things in perspective.

 

[Greyskull]

ahhhhhhh
did i hurt your feelings?
a little sand get stuck hahahaha
you could explode!!!!!

im totally rational.

so now that thats out of the way...

you know you have options to buy cheap seeds too, right?
no one is forcing you to buy the expensive ones.
nirvana... frittilary... server fund... lots other choices for overgrowing the world on a dime budget. and theres always auctions too... so whats the problem again?

oh yeah, "how come that guy gets to charges $200 for seeds?".
the answer is because he fucking wants too. and the bottom line is you will pay for it or you wont. easy breezy. you have a choice.

isnt risking personal freedoms to breed & ship cannabis seeds, "due to the nature of the movement" (ie ILLEGAL) enough? you want MORE? of course you do. sounds alot like "ungrateful" to me. but maybe im being irrational....
or maybe not...
maybe you dont understand.

costs of seeds is subjective. just like the cost of art.
some folks dont appreciate fine art and some folks do. some folks wouldnt blink an eye at spending 15gs on a chair by crazy eccentric artist person and others couldnt fathom spending more than $100 for something that afterall is just to sit on right?

lucky for you, you have choices.

 

[Greyskull]

and for the guys that dont sell buds... isnt an ounce grown not an ounce bought?
there's the saving right there... thats the whole point.
what is the problem?

WHO CARES WHAT THESE BREEDERS MAKE?
What difference does it make?
Does a unicorm die everytime a pack of beans sellls for more than $200?
Seriously...

 

[FinallyFree]

and for the guys that dont sell buds... isnt an ounce grown not an ounce bought?
there's the saving right there... thats the whole point.
what is the problem?

WHO CARES WHAT THESE BREEDERS MAKE?
What difference does it make?
Does a unicorm die everytime a pack of beans sellls for more than $200?

Sigh. People like you have to talk shit to make themselves feel better. I've encountered you prior to this account, and have blocked you those times as well. Welcome to my block list!

 

[Greyskull]

asking questions is talking shit?
you just dont like the question....
and if you dont like the answers. dont ask the question!!!
and now you feel "better" by announcing your blocking me.
thanks for the block. hahahaha.
i cant believe it oh nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....
you are still the same chump youve always been. same weak sauce as ever. squids are squids are squids. hahahaha

good luck with your first grow.....

aloha!


How much are YOU gonna be making there guy? LOL

I have to figure out a way to be able to clone and veg separately while having a separate 'personal stash' tent and 'commercial' tent.

^^^^who are you to raise your finger you musta been out your head....