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NASA has Released Info on Brown Dwarf Star/Dwarf Planet Between Jupiter and Mars

mean mr.mustard

mean mr.mustard

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As far as fiscal impacts go... I would think we could handle it for sustainable/renewable energy. We already do for much lesser needs imo.

I define evil as causing harm when it is not necessary.
 
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mean mr.mustard said:
You don't need petroleum for energy... you must live in America :D
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I never said you need petroleum for energy. I spent 1 solid year researching alternative energy technologies for a project. I'm aware of the alternatives and potential alternatives.

As for geothermal...
On November 27, 2006 our attorneys filed an appeal to the State Water Resources Board challenging the Regional Water Board’s October 2006 decision to approve Calpine’s Waste Discharge permit to Calpine. The grounds for our appeal are that the approved permit allows toxic acidification of an approved geothermal well without requiring environmental review under the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA), and that the permit falls short of the monitoring requirements prescribed by the Regional Board’s own staff.

The high quality waters of the Medicine Lake Highlands are at great risk of contamination from geothermal development. Calpine’s Waste Discharge Permit currently allows the dumping of more than 60,000 gallons of very toxic hydrofluoric and hydrochloric acids at one approved geothermal well, endangering the pristine shallow and deep fresh water aquifer that feeds the largest spring system in California, comprising at least one-fourth of the waters in the California system.

While our team’s input at two hearings in 2006, including the expert testimony of Dr. Robert Curry, a volcanic hydrogeologist, resulted in some concessions, the level of risk for activities allowed by the permit is still unacceptable. Besides the acidification of one well, the permit would allow Calpine to drill as many as 20 other wells, as well as discharge and pipe geothermal fluids that contain arsenic, mercury and other dissolved heavy metals into million-gallon sumps the size of football fields.
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zenoonez

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mean mr.mustard said:
We need weather to make our food don't we?
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Do we? I mean I guess in the sense that we need weather to function meaning rain and continuation of the water cycle. There seem to be plenty of places that do perfectly well producing food without tornadoes though, I guess they are evil all that causing harm without being necessary. :)
 
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mean mr.mustard said:
I define evil as causing harm when it is not necessary.
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That's a concept and the definition of which is very subjective. Radioactivity is just radioactivity. The sun constantly blasts this planet with electromagnetic radiation. It both gives life and can take it away through short term overexposure and long term through things like cancer. Is the sun evil? It's just the sun.

EDIT - Zen beat me to this train of thought already...lol!

Anyway...looking forward to this brown dwarf event later this year. Will probably grab a chair and a cold one and watch the show...if there is one.
 
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you know what a trip also?

not wasting our money on space exploration, and how about an idea... giving the money to schools.. wow that's such a complex idea it's way beyond the comprehension of the government

very well said
 
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Storm Shadow said:
Anyone who thinks we shouldnt pursue these types of advancements should really look into the mirror and ask themselves why being stupid consumes to much of their time...

http://www.adastrarocket.com/aarc/Technology
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Cool. I like NASA. I think there are a lot of answers out there and just need to be developed and supported. I spent some time with the Magnegas people and a fairly simple technology to eliminate some forms of hard to deal with waste and turn it into energy. This technology basically makes some nasty stuff disappear as it rips the atomic structure apart and reforms it into usable gases.

It's a plasma technology and that link reminded me of it.
 
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Here's something kind of interesting...
An Idaho inventor/entrepeneur has come up with an engine that runs on aquanol… a mix of 65% ethanol and 35% water. In addition, a diesel engine modified by Mark Cherry, with Automotive Resources, Inc. of Sandpoint, Idaho can run on a 50-50 mix of diesel and water.
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I dealt with this group many years back also. Interesting technology and has some useful applications. In dealing with them found out the military was interested for various reasons.
 
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zenoonez said:
Mentioned this earlier, very exciting to think about the possibilities. He3 is some amazing stuff, almost no neutrons released? Crazy stuff.
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Never looked at He3...interesting. Seems like we may need those nuclear reactors after all...
Helium-3 is proposed as a second-generation fusion fuel for fusion power uses. Tritium, with a 12-year half-life, decays into helium-3, which can be recovered. Irradiation of lithium in a nuclear reactor — either a fusion or fission reactor — can also produce tritium, and thus (after decay) helium-3.
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Due to the rarity of helium-3 on Earth, it is manufactured instead of recovered from natural deposits. Helium-3 is a byproduct of tritium decay, and tritium can be produced through neutron bombardment of lithium, boron, or nitrogen targets. Current supplies of helium-3 come, in part, from the dismantling of nuclear weapons where it accumulates;[26] approximately 150 kilograms of it have resulted from decay of US tritium production since 1955, most of which was for warheads.[27] However, the production and storage of huge amounts of the gaseous tritium is probably uneconomical, as tritium must be produced at the same rate as helium-3, and roughly eighteen times as much of tritium stock is required as the amount of helium-3 produced annually by decay (production rate dN/dt from number of moles or other unit mass of tritium N, is N γ = N ln 2/t½ where the value of t½/(ln 2) is about 18 years; see radioactive decay). If commercial fusion reactors were to use helium-3 as a fuel, they would require tens of tons of helium-3 each year to produce a fraction of the world's power, implying need for the same amount of new tritium production, as well as the need to keep 18 times this figure in total tritium breeder stocks.[28]
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Maybe I'm missing something though.
 
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Yeah I read about the moon thing. So is Haliburton gonna be the company that develops that resource? Kind of brings that movie with Sam Rockwell 'Moon' to mind...lol.

But at a projected value of $40,000 per ounce, 220 pounds of helium-3 would be worth about $141 million.
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Sounds like the new gold...I want some.

The total estimated cost for fusion development, rocket development and starting lunar operations would be about $15 billion.
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I'd like to see the final bill if and when they ever bring that resource into production and who will ultimately pay for it.

Anyway...while maybe some companies are looking at He3 they're still milking us and this planet for all the oil they can get and sell.
 
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zenoonez said:
He3 is going to have to be harvested from the moon.
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Harvesting something like that from the moon is not far fetched. I guess buying some Haliburton stock is a good idea...and not kidding...unless the Chinese get there first.
 
zenoonez

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Good luck to the Chinese, they have launched like 3 things into space in the past 10 years. There is a Russian dude who is already talking about doing it and we are depending on the Russians for the next 3 years or something just to get to the ISS because we are ending the shuttle program before our rocket program is ready.
 
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