Wanna Ask The Old Farts A Question?

[Dr. Purpur]

Hello I have a question for all the old timers, basically its what type of soil & nuts were used back in the day...Miracle gro? if so what was done to it in terms of preparing it for cannabis? straight out the bag or amended? I only ask because I presume that choices were limited during the era which most of you guys began the trade (should I say art of growing) and secondly I've tried the MG stuff (the organic yellow brownish potting soil mix)out the bag before with poor results (i.e purpuling stems/veins to almost instant death) imma try FFOF this time around but I know that MJ is nothing new under sun (by the way im planning on an indoor 2x2x4 run)

I grew my first plants in 1972 in some potting soil my parents had around. I cant remember what it was. Later in 79 we grew in supersoil, I think with chicken manure. In 86 we grew in super soil, and only used chicken manure tea, and nothing else. The buds were superior. Red Lebanese /Afhgani hybrid. I have an old poloroid pics of the plants. You can grow dynamite weed very cheap.

 

[Dr. Purpur]

A quick one.
Is it true that seeded weed is not in an particular way weaker than sensimilla one?

I did a 54 cross run this winter, so Im smoking plenty of seeded buds. They seem to be about the same potency. They are just a pain in the ass when you want to twist a fat joint.

 

[oldhaole]

Hey Old Farts...

Got a question for you. I am currently growing some second generation Jack Herer plants.
Two of the six are growing three set of leaves instead of two. I forgot the exact term for this. I've had plants grow like this before (not many) and they always gone male.

Have you seen a plant with three sets of leaves ever go female?

Thanks for your time.

 

[w2008]

hi there, yes it is a trifolate, i have had several over the years and they seem the same to me, as to the male female ratio. i currently have a nice sativa/indica trifolate that i have been cloning for 3 years now, buds get 1/3 denser and bigger i reckon, they are a good yeild, cheers oz

 

[w2008]

thanks Hempkat, so i need to bag and tag F1'seeds, then pick the best male & female F1 to inbreed for my F2, then just use those F2seeds and clones for future grows, or am i better staying with F1 seeds and clones? cheers oz.

 

[alamony2005]

What would be the possible adverse affects of switching my indoor flowering plants to outdoor AND switching their light cycle.

Example: At 10pm the flower room turns on and they begin their cycle, at 10am the plants turn off and go to sleep. It is this way as the price for energy is cheaper at night than the day, also utilizing the cool night air helps keep the room 15degrees cooler.

I was thinking of shutting off the indoor light and utilizing the poweful outdoor sunshine, I will only keep them outside in the sunshine for the standard 12hours before i bring them back inside to sleep in the light proof room; how should I make the change in light cycle?

*Should I keep them awake when they are supposed to go to sleep inorder to get them on the right track or should do the opposite and keep them asleep for a longer period of time inorder to get them on the new schedule*.

I look forward to any suggestions or input you experienced farmers might be willing to share.

Untill next time... =)

 

[paladin420]

What would be the possible adverse affects of switching my indoor flowering plants to outdoor AND switching their light cycle.

Example: At 10pm the flower room turns on and they begin their cycle, at 10am the plants turn off and go to sleep. It is this way as the price for energy is cheaper at night than the day, also utilizing the cool night air helps keep the room 15degrees cooler.

I was thinking of shutting off the indoor light and utilizing the poweful outdoor sunshine, I will only keep them outside in the sunshine for the standard 12hours before i bring them back inside to sleep in the light proof room; how should I make the change in light cycle?

*Should I keep them awake when they are supposed to go to sleep inorder to get them on the right track or should do the opposite and keep them asleep for a longer period of time inorder to get them on the new schedule*.

I look forward to any suggestions or input you experienced farmers might be willing to share.

Untill next time... =)

Sounds like WORK. I never mess with a flowering plant if at all possible. Any time I switch light I give a complete dark day. 24-48 hrs of darkness. May b voodoo,but I can reveg whole rooms 100%

 

[alamony2005]

Sounds like WORK. I never mess with a flowering plant if at all possible. Any time I switch light I give a complete dark day. 24-48 hrs of darkness. May b voodoo,but I can reveg whole rooms 100%

So we got one suggestioon for giving them a full night period to get them on the new schedule, what type of stress have you noticed in doing this? In my experience with revegging, it was as simple as 18/6... But back to light cycles plants under 24hrs light will try and veg but I doubt a single day will trigger that..they are only in week 2 since flip to flower.

 

[HempKat]

Hey Old Farts...

Got a question for you. I am currently growing some second generation Jack Herer plants.
Two of the six are growing three set of leaves instead of two. I forgot the exact term for this. I've had plants grow like this before (not many) and they always gone male.

Have you seen a plant with three sets of leaves ever go female?

Thanks for your time.

I'm not sure if this is the proper term but yes I've had those before on occassion and always called them Trifoliates. I've had them go both male and female so I would say it's not a gender specific trait. There was nothing particularly remarkable about the bud the females produced. There were more bud sites but the average bud size was a bit smaller so it ened up yielding about the same as the more normal looking plants.

 

[HempKat]

thanks Hempkat, so i need to bag and tag F1'seeds, then pick the best male & female F1 to inbreed for my F2, then just use those F2seeds and clones for future grows, or am i better staying with F1 seeds and clones? cheers oz.

Depends on what you are wanting from those seeds. If you're wanting just a decent blending of the main traits of the two parents then just stick with the F1 stage. If however you're wanting to find keepers and/or stabilize the cross then you would do the bag, tagging and selecting and inbreeding but you wouldn't stop at the F2 stage as that's where you're going to start seeing the variation as recessive genes start expressing themselves. I'm really not sure how many generations you need to go thru to get them stabilized I'd think at least 4 but I don't really know as I'm not a breeder.

 

[HempKat]

What would be the possible adverse affects of switching my indoor flowering plants to outdoor AND switching their light cycle.

Example: At 10pm the flower room turns on and they begin their cycle, at 10am the plants turn off and go to sleep. It is this way as the price for energy is cheaper at night than the day, also utilizing the cool night air helps keep the room 15degrees cooler.

I was thinking of shutting off the indoor light and utilizing the poweful outdoor sunshine, I will only keep them outside in the sunshine for the standard 12hours before i bring them back inside to sleep in the light proof room; how should I make the change in light cycle?

*Should I keep them awake when they are supposed to go to sleep inorder to get them on the right track or should do the opposite and keep them asleep for a longer period of time inorder to get them on the new schedule*.

I look forward to any suggestions or input you experienced farmers might be willing to share.

Untill next time... =)

Keep them awake if I'm following you correctly. Plants are triggered into flower or revert to veg based on the length of the dark period, not the length of the light period. So as long as you keep the dark period at 12 hours then they should stay in flower. The problem is though, right now, the outdoor cycle is in a veg period so even if you're totally careful during the move once outdoors they would revert to veg. Since you plan on bringing them in at the end of thier light period you should be able to keep them from reverting but you'll be at constant risk of human error such as being late bringing them in.

The most immediate adverse effect you should see is them not being hardened to this new environment you're exposing them to. This can be minimized by making the transition to outdoors more gradual such as a few hours a day until you get them adjusted to 12 hours outdoors over a period of a week or so. Then of course they'll be more exposed to pests so another adverse effect could be you bringing pest in with the plants and having them infest your indoor space.

 

[Rudedewd]

Hiya HK. Good to see you're still around helping people out. I hope life is good for ya

 

[HempKat]

Hiya HK. Good to see you're still around helping people out. I hope life is good for ya

It's as good as can be expected given the state of current events. I guess I can't complain though, I mean I could be homeless and living off welfare and still have it better then hundreds of millions of people in the rest of the world. I hope all is well with you, terrible news about lilma huh? Say high to the gang for me if you're still at the other place.

 

[w2008]

Depends on what you are wanting from those seeds. If you're wanting just a decent blending of the main traits of the two parents then just stick with the F1 stage. If however you're wanting to find keepers and/or stabilize the cross then you would do the bag, tagging and selecting and inbreeding but you wouldn't stop at the F2 stage as that's where you're going to start seeing the variation as recessive genes start expressing themselves. I'm really not sure how man generations you need to go thru to get them stabilized I'd think at least 4 but I don't really know as I'm not a breeder.

thanks for your help hempkat, cheers oz

 

[alamony2005]

Keep them awake if I'm following you correctly. Plants are triggered into flower or revert to veg based on the length of the dark period, not the length of the light period. So as long as you keep the dark period at 12 hours then they should stay in flower. The problem is though, right now, the outdoor cycle is in a veg period so even if you're totally careful during the move once outdoors they would revert to veg. Since you plan on bringing them in at the end of thier light period you should be able to keep them from reverting but you'll be at constant risk of human error such as being late bringing them in.

The most immediate adverse effect you should see is them not being hardened to this new environment you're exposing them to. This can be minimized by making the transition to outdoors more gradual such as a few hours a day until you get them adjusted to 12 hours outdoors over a period of a week or so. Then of course they'll be more exposed to pests so another adverse effect could be you bringing pest in with the plants and having them infest your indoor space.

I kept them awake untill 7pm. I will not be taking them back indoors to risk a contamination to the others, I have a shed I just finished building in which they will sleep quite nicely. I will bring them out at 7am to wake up and enjoy some fresh sunlight. They did stress out a little from the environment change but it was to be a little expected. SO far so good. I now have more room indoors for a much more managable indoor garden, too many months of indoor vegging has got them outta line.

On a side note, I can always bring my spare 600w light into the shed incase company comes over, after a week or so I will move the plants up one hour, meaning i will wake them up at 6am and take them to sleep at 6pm. With this way i could flower all year long with minimal cost to pge and still turn out major weight.. and still have a major supply of indoor quality meds from the remaining plants on my indoor chamber.

 

[HempKat]

I kept them awake untill 7pm. I will not be taking them back indoors to risk a contamination to the others, I have a shed I just finished building in which they will sleep quite nicely. I will bring them out at 7am to wake up and enjoy some fresh sunlight. They did stress out a little from the environment change but it was to be a little expected. SO far so good. I now have more room indoors for a much more managable indoor garden, too many months of indoor vegging has got them outta line.

On a side note, I can always bring my spare 600w light into the shed incase company comes over, after a week or so I will move the plants up one hour, meaning i will wake them up at 6am and take them to sleep at 6pm. With this way i could flower all year long with minimal cost to pge and still turn out major weight.. and still have a major supply of indoor quality meds from the remaining plants on my indoor chamber.

Well if that works for you then that works for you. Personally it sounds to me like you just made life harder for yourself because you have to be there like clockwork twice a day to bring the plants out and then again to put them back in. I'd feel too tied to my grow if I had to do that and in a few months it would have me not wanting to grow plants anymore. Also I'd never have a reason to do things like that because I just grow for myself and the one or two crops I do in my 5'x8'x8' space over the winter is more then enough to keep me well supplied in smoke.

 

[alamony2005]

Well if that works for you then that works for you. Personally it sounds to me like you just made life harder for yourself because you have to be there like clockwork twice a day to bring the plants out and then again to put them back in. I'd feel too tied to my grow if I had to do that and in a few months it would have me not wanting to grow plants anymore. Also I'd never have a reason to do things like that because I just grow for myself and the one or two crops I do in my 5'x8'x8' space over the winter is more then enough to keep me well supplied in smoke.

You should see my indoor veg tent from my thread.. I carried over 60 plants every two days from my bedroom in a 4x4x8 tent to my flower room where I would take ALL my currently flowering plants off my flood tray, then I would put my veg plants on there to water and drain into the collection buckets below. After about an hour of watering I would then hand carry them back to my tent from the opposite side of the house and restack them back. After veg plants where put away I would then replace the plants from the flower room back on their flood tray and spend another hour watering those. I did that for 2 months like clock work. Yes it was tons of back breaking, frustrating, time consuming work but I did it with confidence knowing that the other party involved would notice and appreciate the hard work, tiresome nights and countless trips back and forth I did to get to where we are now... I have no problem with the leg work.. just wanna see it pay off already. =)

Now I expect both gardens to perform as desired. YAHOO!!!!!!!

 

[Dr. Purpur]

You should see my indoor veg tent from my thread.. I carried over 60 plants every two days from my bedroom in a 4x4x8 tent to my flower room where I would take ALL my currently flowering plants off my flood tray, then I would put my veg plants on there to water and drain into the collection buckets below. After about an hour of watering I would then hand carry them back to my tent from the opposite side of the house and restack them back. After veg plants where put away I would then replace the plants from the flower room back on their flood tray and spend another hour watering those. I did that for 2 months like clock work. Yes it was tons of back breaking, frustrating, time consuming work but I did it with confidence knowing that the other party involved would notice and appreciate the hard work, tiresome nights and countless trips back and forth I did to get to where we are now... I have no problem with the leg work.. just wanna see it pay off already. =)

Now I expect both gardens to perform as desired. YAHOO!!!!!!!

Im having a hard time understanding. I did just smoke two hits of Headband, but I read your posts twice and am still sketchy.
I guess I dont understand why You water them elsewhere. I grow in 7 gallon pots and know what its like to move the plants. Dont You have a drip tray in your tent?

 

[Jellyfish]

Couldn't you just put a tray under your vegging girls? Then clean up after watering with a turkey baster and a towel? I think on about the third day of hauling sixty plants out of the tent I would have been re-thinking my original design. But maybe you have your reasons.

 

[Dr. Purpur]

I have drip trays in my tents. After watering , if there is alot of run off, I use a small water pump that attaches to any drill motor. I pump the water back to a bucket.

There is no tap in my grow area. I have a 55 gallon barrel i fill every few weeks with a hose from the bathroom tub. The barrel has its own little giant pump and hose to water with. Its very easy.

Plants dont like to be moved, and they dont like to have part time in the sun and part time in the light. They get used to one or the other, or they will be stressed.

Here in Cali, I have burned plants, and even killed them by taking them directly from the tent into direct sunlight.