San Diegos Finest Cuts #2

[SmokeTrees]

Very nice Humble! Looking very happy and vigorous


max_well - Ive never noticed an ill effects from the TMV. Like has been said, its like a scratch in your car. Purely cosmetic in my opinion / experience.
I really think your issues are from something else, and not TMV related.

 

[subrob]

maxwell...i just started growing a few ogs hydro and one thing i noticed off the bat was some of the ogs look like shit when fed 5.8 ph...i upped thier ph in veg to 6.0 at the suggestion of another grower/member and saw an immediate improvement...on two of the ogs i also went to a stronger mix w heavy cal mag...also keep in mind, today is a heavy pain med day and im having trouble focusing on the pics...its just what came into my head!....because i dont use much room, i had to veg some plants under some red light...and i noticed one cut of og (valley) seemed to wilt somewhat...when i moved her to blue, perked right up, so mixed spectrum in veg(if they are larger plants) may slightly affect your cuts?...as far as having tmv...i dont believe this, whatever the hell it is, is tmv...i got scared when i started seeing it too...but if it were tmv my entire garden would have been wiped out(if i understand tmv)
---humble-nice man! i see dubble!

 

[Shan Diego]

Sour Dubble x Alien Dawg

Pheno's 10 and 12

Nice. Are those the two phenos that are the most dub-like and the most Dawg-like? The Dub seems dom in the mix, that's for sure...

 

[Storm Shadow]

Larry OG x ChemD Day 34

 

[chemoboi]

Weird...I can't go to the last few pages of this thread. The last message I see is from StormShadow (Larry OG x ...) but there are three more pages of posts (175, 176...) that I can click on but it always comes back to this same last page.

Is that a newb thang?

 

[Mountain]

Weird...I can't go to the last few pages of this thread. The last message I see is from StormShadow (Larry OG x ...) but there are three more pages of posts (175, 176...) that I can click on but it always comes back to this same last page.

Is that a newb thang?

From what I understand those missing posts/pages are still in the thread but have been 'deleted' and only visible by the mods/admin.

 

[Zen Master]

From what I understand those missing posts/pages are still in the thread but have been 'deleted' and only visible by the mods/admin.

 

[Shan Diego]

Larry OG x ChemD Day 34

Really? Those look more advanced than that to me. You know, with the rest of us slackin in the sun, you are keeping the bling alive on the thread practically solo...thanks man! Keep em coming. Not to belittle the rest of your contributions, and I sure aint ponying up anything, but wow, you are growin some grease there fella...

 

[humbleguy]

community service announcement;

if you are running or planning on popping Sour Dubble x Alien Dawg beans you may experience technical difficulties uhhhh I mean balls. 3 of 15 culled due to male parts protruding from mid to lower internodes. bummer.....

 

[Natagonnaworrie]

work, work, work...

 

[Gsizzle]

work, work, work...

Thats not work bro . When you job is doing something you love you never work a day in your life. Keep it rolling....

 

[Grow Tech]

community service announcement;

if you are running or planning on popping Sour Dubble x Alien Dawg beans you may experience technical difficulties uhhhh I mean balls. 3 of 15 culled due to male parts protruding from mid to lower internodes. bummer.....

we all knew the Alien Dawg brought the possibility of herm-age. Of the 12 Alien Dawg crosses I have going I found one nanna. I plucked it off the flowering plant & tossed the clone I had of it. My set-up is so imperfect, it's perfect for testing for hermis. Light leaks & weird temp fluctuations...I gottem. What i'm looking for is a single cut that behaves well.

 

[humbleguy]

we all knew the Alien Dawg brought the possibility of herm-age. Of the 12 Alien Dawg crosses I have going I found one nanna. I plucked it off the flowering plant & tossed the clone I had of it. My set-up is so imperfect, it's perfect for testing for hermis. Light leaks & weird temp fluctuations...I gottem. What i'm looking for is a single cut that behaves well.

I'm with ya. Unfortunately this wasn't one nanner but a dozen or so. The remaining seem straight female. No light leaks, temperature +/- 73 degrees, standard feed, no foliar treatments..... just good growing. I do have 3 phenos that are a spitting image of Sour Dubble that haven't expressed any bi-sexuality. I would also like to note the dubble delicious aroma emanating from the stems as I worked my way through the branching looking for unwanted nanners. I am going to find a keeper, no doubt, I just wanted to give anyone running these beans a heads up. This definitely casts doubt on the idea of sex reversed breeding in my mind. I'm glad the rest of the breeding work I have done was in a more traditional manner.

 

[Grow Tech]

This definitely casts doubt on the idea of sex reversed breeding in my mind. I'm glad the rest of the breeding work I have done was in a more traditional manner.

I think if anything it should cast doubt on the use of any strain with known hermi-tendencies. The possibility of Alien Dawg shooting nanners is something thats pretty well documented. I would think anyone that embarks on a project using such a strain would expect having to cull a percentage because of that trait. Always good to remind people of the obvious though...kinda like when I see powdery mildew outside and feel compelled to remind people to watch their grows for that crap.

 

[max_well]

more pics

more pics

Hey SmokeTree and subrob
Thanks for the input..
Still waiting on TMV test strips (from a company called Agdia), hoping they get here today. I saw on another thread some tests with these same strips on a Chem D cut showing the leaf variegation that gets associated with TMV, and his results were negative. The literature for the result says that a false negative is very unlikely, so this seems legit... and it seems so many are having success with Chem D, that clearly whatever leads to the variegation is not a problem, and not transmitted.
But my situation seems different-- ladies seem majorly reduced and compromised. Believe me, I wish there was a simple explanation of pH or the like, but the decline has been pretty clear: viral symptoms present the Hell's Angel appear to have spread in a defined way. I had been dipping all ladies in common 5 gallon contained for preventative neem/azamax, and PM treatments as standard quarantine procedure for new cuts from the club. I wouldn't have guessed that by doing so I was actually providing an easy means for the virus to transmit plant-to-plant.
I realize that folks out there must still be growing this HA OG cut with some production, but if overall results in the room are going to be significantly reduced for this round, and also set-back anything else brought into the space, I would rather start over and try to sterilize well enough to reduce chance of future infection. I put this post here to warn local community of potential problem with this cut in case anyone had picked some up from PNC.
here are a couple more shots from last night. first 3 are shots of some sickly HA OG themselves, 4th is a better shot of the defined half-leaf variegation that appears in the room, expressed here in Diablo Kush.

 

[Zen Master]

I have multiple OG's that throw variegation like that when stressed or just... not as happy as they could be.

I have some in veg right now that have similar leafs that are remnants of when it was cloned, the stress brings it out I think, however now that they have been happy for a little while, its non existent on any new leafs. I have plants blooming that were cut from the same exact mother and the only leafs showing any variegation (if any at all) are a few little fan leafs left over from when they were baby clones.


is it just the old growth showing signs max? or do you have new growth coming out with the variegation?

your new growth looks yellow, it could be the camera or lighting, but OG's are cal/mag whores and I'm not a pro with diagnosis but it looks like they might want some magnesium.

pH has been 5.8 steady (meters calibrated always), lots of flushes with varying EC and calmag concentration controls for each strain

because you are doing 'lots' of flushes, that may be why as well. OG's are lighter feeders, but love that cal/mag.

I'd try a hair higher pH (6.0 as subrob suggested) as Mg locks out below 5.7ish.

I know you said you calibrate your meters, try grabbing the cheapo drops juuuuust to double check.

 

[humbleguy]

I would think anyone that embarks on a project using such a strain would expect having to cull a percentage because of that trait.

Maybe I'll revisit reversed breeding, only next time it will be with better genetics. For the time being I'll work with what I have from this cross and won't be crackin' anymore of these beans. I think we can all learn from this......

Max- Looks like over watering and a fluctuating pH. Your mix looks heavy from the pic, might want to let those things dry a bit and work some perlite into the mix.
The variegation is harmless and won't affect your yield. It's just an oddity of sorts and shouldn't have an impact on your game. I have seen this in seedlings and am hardly convinced it's TMV.

 

[max_well]

ZenMaster and humbleguy
Thanks much for the input, you both seem very knowledgeable and I appreciate the help.
This is a thread that Greyskull discusses his issues, which seem to have begun with an introduction of the HA OG into his room https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=202824&highlight=tmv&page=6 posts 82, 84.
I know it;s nothing definitive, but it seemed to be a good coincidence with what I'm seeing.

Mix I'm using is straight canna coco in 1 gal bags (although 6 Diablo Kush transplanted into final home of 5 gal coco / 30% perlite). Many plants have pretty much stopped drinking entirely, and I've only given them water ~ every 3 days, so I don't think it's overwater in the coco. I use RO water with 5 ml/gallon calmag standard (more when some, like OG's ask for it), canna coco A&B nutes to EC up to 1.4-1.6 at this stage. Haven't had too many issues with this mix in the past, especially in veg. Running a sealed room with temp 77f steady, 60 RH , lots of air flow and scrubbing, mild level of co2 supplement to 900 ppm. And pest free, not even a stray fungus gnat to be found... Growth and drinking has really slowed down as light intensity was increased (never brought the light closer than 2 ft from canopy though). From what I've read, this kind of photosensitivity a virus-infected trait, but I do realize that increased light intensity can amplify some deficiency expressions in general... New growth is affected as is old growth. Some Chem4 , typically a vigorous plant in veg, resemble the leaf twisting and bending seen in the HA OG new growth, almost exactly.

Things are halted enough to have me well stumped.. and then I heard first-hand from a local that frequents this thread about the HA OG TMV issue /potential, something I hadn't at all considered, read greyskulls woes, and it sounded too coincidental. I'm a scientist, and by nature try not to introduce too many parameters at once or jump to conclusion without tests, am pretty methodical about equipment and controls for things..
Thanks again for thoughts, and I'll post results as things develop!
Max

 

[redspaghetti]

Max

I had my fair share with TMV, and your pics does not look like TMV to me.... just my very own opinions.... ( My gorilla Grapes, gorilla kush )

here are afew pics that def TMV

hope you get that problem solve...

cheers,

 

[redspaghetti]

or maybe you could take better quality pictures, its really hard to judge the right colors on those photos with the low quality like that,, could be tmv, could be something else ... could be anything... a clear pic would help a whole lot


cheers,