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please some advise on when to flower

So you just change down from 18 hours to 12 hours after a few weks?. So in your opinion would i be better off using a 600w dual spectrum from scratch (a germinated seed in pot) over my 250w CFL blue/white light?
 

Scrogerman

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I use CFL's to root clones & to establish seedlings, once there strong & established(a week or 2) i get them under the HID, in your case 600w HPS(SE), i set my lamp high 4-5ft to let plants adjust & over the course of the week adjust the lamp down to the correct height(move up as plants grow). Some will argue that you can throw them straight under the big lamps, Yeah you can but its better for me this way & its what i advise, im not into blasting plants with HID's while plants are establishing themselves. stick with what you know, n go with the CFL to start off, less room for fking up imo, remember plants nutritional/water requirements will increase once you move them up to the HID lamp, this needs consideration. ill send you some links that may help!
 
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I use CFL's to root clones & to establish seedlings, once there strong & established(a week or 2) i get them under the HID, in your case 600w HPS(SE), i set my lamp high 4-5ft to let plants adjust & over the course of the week adjust the lamp down to the correct height(move up as plants grow). Some will argue that you can throw them straight under the big lamps, Yeah you can but its better for me this way & its what i advise, im not into blasting plants with HID's while plants are establishing themselves. stick with what you know, n go with the CFL to start off, less room for fking up imo, remember plants nutritional/water requirements will increase once you move them up to the HID lamp, this needs consideration. ill send you some links that may help!

nice 1 scrogerman. Im gonna post some pics of my set up once i figure out how to send em from my phone to my computer. Its like a really shit and basic version of the one used by the guy who started this thread. I was gonna sack it off and get a tent but the whole tent thing is a bit blatant and may blow my cover. Ideally i would like to keep it and just improve what ive got but not sure if its worth saving tbh
 
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cs70

hey

hey

hello everyone
so here is the update ,i fixed finally all the little things on the closet and germinated the 3 seeds ,here is my expirience on the storage and germ the seeds
the best way to store seeds is in the fridge ,when u want to germ the seeds u take out of the fridge and leave outside on room temp for 24 hours ,than germ ;otherwise the seeds will take ages to germ
now the all 3 seeds germ and i put them in cups with soil ,few hours later 2 loose their seed cover and the last one is on the ground kinda lay lol
but tommorow should be fine
my lights run 24hours 20 watt daylight 1200 lumens ,the temp is 23°C humidity 70%,i try to keep the lights close as possible ,but because of the fan moving lamp i keep it a bit above

my pc fan is also running 24/7 ,i do it because i think is good to mix air in the chamber but not to blow ,my pc fan is 14cm ,and is a bit to strong i think
should i switch off pc fan?
ok here some pics
thx best regards
 

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hi

hi

hey
the girls are 4 days old ,7 cm tall ,they bend a bit and stretchy but next time i know what i do different,
more wattage cfl like 65watt daylight and very close to the tops
the girls now in propagator under OSRAm plantastar 250 watt bulb ,in flowering chamber
humidity 60% ,temp 26°C ,the fan is running on low
HERE SOME PICS
thx and best regards:tiphat::thank you:
 

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cs70

hey all and special HI to scrogger

hey all and special HI to scrogger

hey all it was a while since last post but like u can imagine i smoked a lot :blowbubbles:
my shiva skunk girls do fine they grow ,they are now 1 month in grow phase
they are very bushy and many branches ,so i bend the leaves out of the way ,soon i will start bend them a bit i want side buds also big ,we see how it goes

on sunday the electric company cut my power in the house from 11PM till 5AM ,so the girls will loose some light ,my lights start at 6PM and stops is it at noon 12 PM is it a problem?
any advice pls
scrogger i hope u alright man )

soon i start again next grow under the cfl light like thisi will have 2 harvest very soon i hope :thank you:
otherwise see for urself
thx and bst regards
 

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DiscoBiscuit

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Hi cs70. Such a nice clean setup and airpots to boot. Shiva Skunk looks great. Good to see you up to your game.
 
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cs70

hi again

hi again

hi all and scroger
so here is the update
so the 3 shiva girls doing ok ,they grow wide not tall ,now they have many branches around on each girl ,they are 30cm tall and 40cm wide
the girls are 39 days in veg ,the big bud girls grow quicker before ,but soon i put them in flowering ,i just wait till they are 40cm tall

also i started 3 big bud girls ,they are in veg chamber under 62watt cfl
5000lumens daylight ,i can see the difference they grow slowly not like under HID lamp ,here some pics ,also one is smaller than the other ones but wee se later how she do
i hope u like it
thx best regards
 

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cs70

hi small update here

hi small update here

hi all so here is the update
my 3 Shiva girls doing ok , better than big bud ,maybe because i put reflective mylar inside ,the girls are bushy too much each girl have at least 25 branches and the branches are on the same level as the main cola ,they dont grow so tall so quick like big bud ,big bud girls had around 5 main branches so its make me happy
but maybe its the strain like this
the girls are now 46 days old and 40cm tall around ,
should i wait longer for them to grow or should i start flowering ?

the little big bud girls in the veg chamber doing ok too ,they grow,they are 12 days old now
i bought new cfl lamp 62 watt daylight and temp is ok around 26°C
one girl is very short compared to others but she grow so its fine

just the high humidity in the air is problem because the carbon filter dont work proper in high humidity ,but i hope soon sun will come to full strength and heat everything up
so thx for looking and enjoy the pics
best regards
P.S i wanted to come to amsterdam cup but i cant find the cheap tickets ,its holidays time so no chance ,but i look more maybe i find
 

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Scrogerman

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Hey Buddy,
Im not sure how i misssed your posts in this thread lately? Sorry buddy!
Nice to see your ShivaSkunks coming along so nicely, ill go back n read your recent posts!

Yeah they all look really good bro, very bushy & nice n healthy, looks like your gonna get a good crop out of these ladys. Impressive stuff bro. when are you switching 12/12? ill guess 25-50% stretch, perfect man! Id be surprised if they stretched more, but you never know, could go to 100%? Fat stems/trunks on those girls bro!

hahaha, no i think they prolly will double in height by the time your done with them lol!

Cheers & G'Luck bro! ;)
 
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cs70

hi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hey scroger ,i am happy to hear from u again !!!!!!!!!!!!
yeah i just posted few posts before nothing much ,but like u can see the girls are quite nice and looks much better than big bud maybe reflective foil on the walls helped
i wasnt sure when to flip to 12/12 ,u know i always want them to be big hahahahhah but i think in few days i switch ,anyway if they stretch i will use the pinch tactik ,it worked very well before
so u say i should wait a bit more with flipping to 12/12?

yeah the stems are very thick ,like my thumb lol really impressive lol
the girls also need much more water nutes ,i water them every second day 1 liter for each ,the pots are 3 liters ,they dry very quick

i bought 1 more 3 liter airpot so in future i will have 4 girls inside the closet ,now i dont have space because of the fan that blow air around ,but i will take it out and put 2or 3 ,12cm pc fans inside around the walls so space for 1 more girl
also I bought 4, 1 liter airpots for the clones room :) ,the cfl work fine so far and little big bud girls grow ,like u can see one is very short ,its happens first time for me so i dont know why ,but she grow so i am relax ,i gave her a bit rootjuice and bioheaven ,just few drops and she like it ,but i water her with only water now

also i bought 32cm long cooltube ,so in future i can put it up and down ,i am very happy ,i just need to bring it from france
yeah also i bought electric longboard ,from usa ,i need transportation to work ,i work 3km from home and its hot here so its cool ,it took me time to find the best one lol
the us dollar is weak so i bought it for 600 EUROS with shipping cost and carry bag and special wheels,its arrived in france already and i didnt pay any tax lol
but look for urself ,the guy is really cool ,he own his company and build from home ,and i support all small businesses not big money makers assholes
http://www.metro-board.com/
i am so busy with job and my girl ,and time fly like hell ,and i know now what is it to work for someone =its sucks !!!!!!!!!!!
looking for ticket ,but its very shitty month to many celebrations days ,so tickets expensive ,but i keep looking maybe i am lucky

otherwise how are u my friend and how is ur garden doing? but i think all under control u are pro gardener ,not like me noob hahahhah
ok time to smoke and sleep
very happy to hear from u
talk to u soon :tiphat::thank you:
best regards
 

Scrogerman

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hahahahahahahahahahahah! I like the Electric skateborad lol, very cool. Expensive though ah!
Glad to hear your going good man.
I havent got a garden atm, but i will surly have one fixed up, very soon i hope, i have no smoke & am struggling to get to sleep lol. Its OK though, these things happen & nothing lasts forever bro!

Have your plants showed Preflowers yet bro? if not i would wait untill you get a show, & then flip them. should be any time if they havent shown already. They are close for the flip anyway, you got it all under control bro. just a little crush & you got the height covered too, if they do take off that is. Good work buddy!

One day id like to be a Pro, but im a long way from being to that level of skill. I would love to work in the industry, but id have to either move to Holland or the States to get anywhere near, if i win the Lotto thats where ill be taking the family, we can all dream ah/!

Good to see ya rocking the Skunk out bro! G'Luck man!
 
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cs70

hey

hey

hahahahahahahahahahahah! I like the Electric skateborad lol, very cool. Expensive though ah!
Glad to hear your going good man.
I havent got a garden atm, but i will surly have one fixed up, very soon i hope, i have no smoke & am struggling to get to sleep lol. Its OK though, these things happen & nothing lasts forever bro!

Have your plants showed Preflowers yet bro? if not i would wait untill you get a show, & then flip them. should be any time if they havent shown already. They are close for the flip anyway, you got it all under control bro. just a little crush & you got the height covered too, if they do take off that is. Good work buddy!

One day id like to be a Pro, but im a long way from being to that level of skill. I would love to work in the industry, but id have to either move to Holland or the States to get anywhere near, if i win the Lotto thats where ill be taking the family, we can all dream ah/!

Good to see ya rocking the Skunk out bro! G'Luck man!


:tiphat::tiphat::tiphat::wave:hey man whats up ? whats happens i hope all fine and u dont have garden because of other reasons than cops ,finger crossed,
if u need smoke and u dont find contact me i will fix u up sure man
otherwise me too i didnt smoked 2 weeks now lol ,i smoke too much quick man ,the pain is worse ,but soon i hope to smoke shiva girls
what i did with shiva girls was i bend down all the big leaves before and main stem to the side not much but u see the result the side branches are on the same hight like the main stem ,like scrogg or something ,everyday we learn things and with help of the friend its all gona be alright


with preflower u mean the white hair on the stem?if thats what u mean yeah i have plenty of little hairs ,so its girls sure lol
i put them in flower in 2 days after 50 day veg
otherwise the girls were little bit droopy so i raise the nutes and magic the perky like hell ,u know i hate to overnute or overwater lol
now the EC 1.6 PH 6.8

the little ones need bigger pots so i transplant them today or tommorow in plastic bottles that i cut in half ,u cant imagine i cant find small pots here or they cost 8USD crazy fucks
i know the roots dont like light so i put black tape around the bottle and cut hole i hope glue from tape dont affect them ?

its getting really hot here 29°C but i am happy i have cooltube lol

yeah the electric longboardis a bit expencive but i need for to go to work ,its the best solution ,i imagine u have car like anybody in europe hahahahah here its too expencive and kinda useless too small country ,i can rent a car if i need to use it ,i miss my shiny merc too much
hey man if u want to move to holland just do it man i moved with my family to another country and no problem ,its all in the head ,how strong u are ,and place to stay and help u can count on me ,i hook u up

yeah me too i dream a lot and imagine things but the reality is not that pinky lolololol
so keep in touch and best regard
i hope u get skype soon
would love to chat to u
see you soon and be strong what not kills us make us stronger hahahahahaaahaha
bye
 

Scrogerman

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Hey Bro,
All is well, ill be fine for smoke but thanks for the offer bro, your too kind!
My buddy just tried 'Bendz' for the second time, his canopy was as even as a football pitch. He wasnt too impressed first time using the 'Bendz', but this time he has it all worked out, really nice job, using the 'Airpots' too he was, with the Cocos Canna, Canna Nutes & Canadian Express additives, i was so impressed i might give the Bendz a try myself. The trick to using those things is 'Timeing', once you put the bendz on, no more than 5 days, so branches set into shape, then you must get them off. a sort of hard LST, Bendz are little 90 degree angled plastic LST fittings, they create an invisible ScrOG effect. His canopy was perfectly spaced & he was able to remove any plant at any time, which is what appeals to me about the Bendz. I might just give them ago, soon i hope man! Ill put a link up at the bottom of this post bro. he gave me 20 to try out on my next run, but ill need more than that lol!

Good to hear your girls are flying well. & your sunny weather at 29C, very nice man, it was 23C here over the weekend which is well above average for the time of year, getting cooler now though, back to crappy British weather for a couple of months, it always rains here in summer too, alot.

Till next time, Stay safe bro! :)

These might be worth a shot:http://www.progrow.co.uk/acatalog/info_4138.html need to persevere with them though, at least 2 runs to get used to them imo! G'Luck!
 
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cs70

hi small update here

hi small update here

hi
too many holidays here now so too much work for me no time for nothing even girls but here is the update
the shiva girls are in 2nd week flowering they get taller and flowers build i can see ,the temp inside the flowering room is ok ,i can control but in veg room its aa bit hard because no exaust fan inside ,i think i have to fix small pc fan that blow air out of veg room into flowering room ,i will see how to fix it

the little big bud girls are growing well they are tall and bushy i repoted them in 1liter pots with holes which i make myself lol
i gave them very low nutes like EC 0.7 but one girls is getting yellow veins and edges ,no idea why maybe not enough nutes ,i water them only with water ,the soil is fresh so maybe they have what they need ,and i did mistake to nute them but see for urself *

the time fly when u work like robot so sry for short update hopefully soon i will explain better
thx scroger ,i hope everything is ok
thx and best regards

i order bendz already thx for info scroger ,u are the man like always hahahahahah
 

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Scrogerman

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The way the leaves are cupping id of said Mg, Where did it start on the plant(lower to middle?) thats usually a good indicator, Zinc crossed my mind. Id try a course of foliaring with epsom & wetting agent, if it keeps getting worse, id leach my soil through & resume normal feeding at a slightly higher EC?
What are you in-out(run-off) numbers?

Your flowering girls look great buddy! Keep on smokin man! Im sure you'll fix this up, no problems!
 
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cs70

hey man

hey man

The way the leaves are cupping id of said Mg, Where did it start on the plant(lower to middle?) thats usually a good indicator, Zinc crossed my mind. Id try a course of foliaring with epsom & wetting agent, if it keeps getting worse, id leach my soil through & resume normal feeding at a slightly higher EC?
What are you in-out(run-off) numbers?

Your flowering girls look great buddy! Keep on smokin man! Im sure you'll fix this up, no problems!

hey thx man !!!!
i think it started on lower older leaves ,i think its mg ,or not enough nutes ,like potasium def ,looks the same symptoms ,i will try to foliar with epsom salt and give them regular feeding ,EC 0.7 yesterday i gave them only phd water ,so i see today how they do ,its the only one that is so bad the other 2 are ok ,but starting to get same yellowing a bit too
yes the run off numbers man i will check tomorrow when feeding ,but i never gave them too much nutes anyway ,always scared to overfert hahahaha
yeah the flowering shiva girls looks good ,i like better than any other strain i try so far , i try 2 strains before lol
thx for help and advice :thank you:
how are u ? all ok?
best regards :tiphat:
 

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