Gas is gonna go through the roof.....

[Chronic Don]

we just jumped from 103.9/litre to 116.9/litre.
we're the cheapest up here or were.

 

[SpasticGramps]

Looks like they are starting to condition Pavlov's Dog into accepting sending ground troops to the region. I honestly believe we will look back 20 years from now and say these days were our first steps into WWIII. I think we should give Obummer another Nobel Peace Prize. Hell make it three.

This reminds me of the new bud light commercials. HERE WE GO!

Military escalation ladies and gentlemen. Here we go. The dogs of war will eventually be let loose.

General: U.S. may consider troops in Libya CBS News
Army Gen. Carter Ham says ground forces wouldn't be ideal, but may be a possible way to aid rebels; Says current operation largely stalemated

(CBS/AP) WASHINGTON - The United States may consider sending troops into Libya with a possible international ground force that could aid the rebels, according to the general who led the military mission until NATO took over.
Army Gen. Carter Ham also told lawmakers Thursday that added American participation would not be ideal, and ground troops could erode the international coalition and make it more difficult to get Arab support for operations in Libya.

Ham said the operation was largely stalemated now and was more likely to remain that way since America has transferred control to NATO.

Complete coverage: Anger in the Arab World

He said NATO has done an effective job in an increasingly complex combat situation. But he noted that, in a new tactic, Muammar Qaddafi's forces are making airstrikes more difficult by staging military forces and vehicles near civilian areas such as schools and mosques.

The use of an international ground force is a possible plan to bolster rebels fighting forces loyal to the Libyan leader, Ham said at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing.

Asked if the U.S. would provide troops, Ham said, "I suspect there might be some consideration of that. My personal view at this point would be that that's probably not the ideal circumstance, again for the regional reaction that having American boots on the ground would entail."

OK and so they suspect Al Queda factions are mixed in amongst the rebels. So we'd have American forces potentialy not only arming, but fighting and training alongside Al Qeda fighters. Militarizing the inevitable Jihad against us. WOW. Man. You just can't make this stuff up. What a clustfuck this is about to turn into. As my old CO would have said. "This situation is fucking FUBAR." (Fucked Up Beyond All Repair) Eisenhower told you so.

$150 NYMEX Crude Fall by IMO. Easy.

 

[Mountain]

$150 NYMEX Crude Fall by IMO. Easy.

I would not be the least bit surprised.

 

[SpasticGramps]

Egypt Revolution: Take 2? Video in link

Hundreds of protesters demanding that Hosni Mubarak, the former Egyptian president, be put on trial for alleged corruption, have retaken Cairo's iconic Tahrir Square, hours after security forces attempted to disperse them, in a clash that killed at least one person.

By 7am (local time) on Saturday morning, army and central security troops appeared to have withdrawn, leaving the square to protesters who set vehicles on fire and began setting up barricades made of furniture and left-behind barbed wire.

"The number of protesters remaining in the square is swelling, as news [of the clashes] spreads through the city," reported Mike Hanna, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Cairo.

Hundreds of army and security forces troops had stormed the square earlier, in an attempt to disperse the thousands of protesters.

In scenes reminiscent of the violent 18-day uprising that ousted longtime President Mubarak in February, protesters and riot police threw rocks at each other, and security forces responded by firing tear gas, witnesses said.

Egypt's health ministry said that one person was killed and 71 injured after those clashes. The military had earlier denied that anyone was hurt or killed in the raid of the square.

Groups of protesters rallying around the southeast corner of the square threw bottles and possibly petrol firebombs at riot police, Michelle May, a freelance journalist, told Al Jazeera.

One of the main roads running east from Tahrir Square towards Talaat Harb Square was virtually empty, and gunfire seemed to have subsided, a witness said.

The military in a statement released through the state MENA news agency, said that security forces were attempting to enforce a 2am to 5am (local time) curfew.

"Elements from the interior ministry along with some noble citizens confronted the riotous actions and enforced the curfew without any losses," the statement read. "The armed forces stress that they will not tolerate any acts of rioting or any act that harms the interest of the country and the people."

A separate statement carried on the military's Facebook page blamed "remnants" of Mubarak's National Democratic Party for the clashes, and ordered the arrest of four party members it accused of "thuggery" during the sit-in.

Guns fired, rocks thrown

Most of the protesters retreated after the army entered the square, witnesses said. Bassiouny ran to the west side of the square, which leads to Kasr el-Nil Bridge, and found more troops entering from that direction.

On the road leading east into the central business district around Talaat Harb Square, protesters tore down the roof of a bus stop and dragged it down the road to protect themselves from gunfire and rocks, said Drew Storey, a neighbourhood resident.

Protesters and army soldiers threw rocks at each other, and at least four injured protesters had to be carried away, he said. Soldiers fired their guns into metal shopfronts, sending sparks flying and bullets ricocheting, apparently to scare away the protesters, Storey said.

At one point, he said, security forces clad in riot gear chanted, cheered and shook each others' hands after driving the protesters away.

Other central security and army forces had been stationed to the north of Tahrir Square next to the Egyptian Museum, which military police have turned into a makeshift detention centre.

 

[Mountain]

Filled up today for the bargain price of $4.35.9 per gallon at the cheapest station in town here in waaaaaay NorCal...and that's for Regular.

 

[TruthOrLie]

Gas used to be cheaper than bottled water.

Now gas is priced about the same as juice.

Organic milk from Horizon costs more than gasoline still.

Don't be surprised when its priced at $10 a gallon in less than 5 years

 

[TruthOrLie]

Gas used to be cheaper than bottled water.

Now gas is priced about the same as juice.

Organic milk from Horizon costs more than gasoline still.

Don't be surprised when its priced at $10 a gallon in less than 5 years

 

[SpasticGramps]

If gas ever stays around $10/gallon in the US, expect milk to cost $11-14 per gallon. I'd expect us to look like the Middle East if that ever happens. People's disposable income is quickly evaporating.

When people have nothing else to lose, they lose it. Middle East and North Africa case in point. Europe is working it ways there and the US is following close behind.

 

[Justin_Credible]

If gas ever stays around $10/gallon in the US, expect milk to cost $11-14 per gallon. I'd expect us to look like the Middle East if that ever happens. People's disposable income is quickly evaporating.

When people have nothing else to lose, they lose it. Middle East and North Africa case in point. Europe is working it ways there and the US is following close behind.

need more hash after reading in this thread.

 

[TruthOrLie]

If you think about it...

A gallon of gasoline is probably cheaper to transport than a gallon of milk... (individual packaging? which is also a petroleum based product...)

Makes sense why it would always cost more for the truck driver to make that trade off to haul milk instead of gasoline.

 

[Mountain]

People's disposable income is quickly evaporating.

Absolutely. Oil cost increases are going to affect the cost of about everything some directly like plastics and some indirectly. People are going to focus more on more on bare essentials. I've led a simple life for like ever so not making many changes but the changes the average American consumer will have to make...yikes!

 

[igrowone]

where will the change come first? so far, still seeing plenty of big gas hogging vehicles, driven by people who are obviously not trying to be smart with gas
but one post i saw a ways back stuck with me, the McMansions out there
heating those for a single family is going to get very pricey
so this poster speculated this will be the cheap housing of the future
they'll get repartitioned to fit 10 familes(or so)

 

[Chronic Don]

one post i saw a ways back stuck with me, the McMansions out there
heating those for a single family is going to get very pricey
so this poster speculated this will be the cheap housing of the future
they'll get repartitioned to fit 10 familes(or so)

ROFLMAO I so agree I've been saying it for along time these big houses will be the end of us. right now nat gas is still cheap, but when profits from gasoline fall then other things will go up, and those will be the things we "cannot do" without like home heating, electricity, anything big business controls.
99% of people cannot put in wood heating, solar heating isnt efficient enough, costs too much as well, geothermal is expensive as the amount of electricity to work them is enormous.
and then to worry about the mortgages, taxes, maintenance. ouch I think my solar panels and old holiday trailer on a peice of wooded land will do once everything fall apart. and with being a "gardener" I can grow my food, hunt my meat. what can city dwellers do?

 

[CANNATOPIA]

sigh...

I agree

 

[Mountain]

When people have nothing else to lose, they lose it. Middle East and North Africa case in point. Europe is working it ways there and the US is following close behind.

Just wanted to add...

PARIS – France's new ban on Islamic face veils was met with a burst of defiance Monday, as several women appeared veiled in front of Paris' Notre Dame Cathedral and two were detained for taking part in an unauthorized protest.

France on Monday became the first country to ban the veils anywhere in public, from outdoor marketplaces to the sidewalks and boutiques of the Champs-Elysees.

Europe's problems will not just be financial. My last girlfriend was from Switzerland and she said there's a big problem with all of the immigrants and clashing cultures. At some point that will probably blow up.

 

[SpasticGramps]

Yeah the culture issues brewing in Europe are going to really bubble to the surface the harder things get. Having lived overseas I have many many friends from across the pond. There are some big problems that are going to have to be dealt with as we all collectively begin to deal with our insolvency.

I see nationalism making a big comeback as we continue our decent. In hard times nations tend to bind together. Nations defined as people sharing the same culture background and beliefs. Not states. States are lines, many times arbitrarily, drawn on a map. Nations of people seeking national self-determination, sometimes within states, are what really move current events.

As much the establishment tries to sell this idealistic One World, One Love Kum bi ya nonsense, history tells us when the going gets tough humans get back to their tribal roots. They band together in fear (sometimes unwarranted) for protection. No amount of One World brainwashing will ever overcome this basic human response. In the end, we are just animals that have an advanced form of communication. We will react the same way put in certain geo-political circumstances.

 

[Mountain]

Totally agree. I think we'll be insulated somewhat in the US from racial/religious issues or at the least won't be anywhere near what may happen in Europe...at least that's my opinion.

 

[SpasticGramps]

Gas Prices Reach Five Dollars a Gallon in the Nation's Capital

Forget about $4. Let's try $5! And the summer is just getting under way. Who knows what we will see here shortly. $7 or so by the end of summer, at least. Or will the SHTF by then??

Here comes the real pain. Everyone tell Uncle Bernanke thank you! Your Central Planner loves you.

 

[Chronic Don]

Gas Prices Reach Five Dollars a Gallon in the Nation's Capital

Forget about $4. Let's try $5! And the summer is just getting under way. Who knows what we will see here shortly. $7 or so by the end of summer, at least. Or will the SHTF by then??

Here comes the real pain. Everyone tell Uncle Bernanke thank you! Your Central Planner loves you.

I dont have pics but we have the cheapest gas in Alberta at 109.9/litre or to us 498.9/gal or 415.4/usgal
wow you've had some serious jumps.
other places in Alberta are up to 118.9/l in grande Prairie to 117.9/l in calgary (multiply $/l x 3.78 for us gal prices multiple by 4.54 for imp gal) or 114.9/l in Edmonton our capital of alberta
to 128.6l in Ottawa our countries capitol to 133.9l in Toronto
I checked Washington DC for prices on gasbuddy and it says most are between 3.87 and 4.49 a gallon. only one place is 499.9
http://www.edmontongasprices.com/GasPriceSearch.aspx

 

[Chronic Don]

alaska is as cheap as your capitol, actually at the lower end of the scale of prices even.
texas is under 4.00/gal tho