If it doesn't Shatter, it doesn't matter! Tribute to Jolly Rancher Amber Glass Thread

[medicalgreen]

Getting back to the matter of shatter.....

One club I went into today, I looked at their concentrates, and they only had one kind. I asked how it was made, and he tells me, there are no solvents used, it's Nitrogen extracted. I looked at it and told him it was not clean. He told me it's the strongest medicine there is. I told him it it's polluted. He told me there are fats in it still. I asked him about amber glass and he said, it uses solvents, and there are no fats in it. He said it's better. I had to laugh. First, he thinks nitrogen is not a solvent, which I'm not sure about technically, but I think if anything extracts anything from anything, it's a solvent, period. That made me laugh out loud. Then he thinks it's better with the fats in it. That made me laugh as well.

I had a good laugh today, but maybe someone else is laughing.
What do you all think of this? Am I crazy or did I step into the twilight zone?

 

[juicepuddle]

Getting back to the matter of shatter.....

One club I went into today, I looked at their concentrates, and they only had one kind. I asked how it was made, and he tells me, there are no solvents used, it's Nitrogen extracted. I looked at it and told him it was not clean. He told me it's the strongest medicine there is. I told him it it's polluted. He told me there are fats in it still. I asked him about amber glass and he said, it uses solvents, and there are no fats in it. He said it's better. I had to laugh. First, he thinks nitrogen is not a solvent, which I'm not sure about technically, but I think if anything extracts anything from anything, it's a solvent, period. That made me laugh out loud. Then he thinks it's better with the fats in it. That made me laugh as well.

I had a good laugh today, but maybe someone else is laughing.
What do you all think of this? Am I crazy or did I step into the twilight zone?

Get used to people who have no idea what amber glass is, many clubs try to tell me its horrible and most just dont know what it is.

I have tried the Nitro oil, and even though its dark and shit looking it actually tasted cleaner then some waxes / budders ive been smoking lately, however I still end up coughing up grey and black.

I dont think any clubs will have pure purged oil and if they do they will charge 70+ a gram, unless someone starts growing and making oil from primo bud and then selling it to clubs and not caring about profit... aka neverlol

 

[medicalgreen]

Get used to people who have no idea what amber glass is, many clubs try to tell me its horrible and most just dont know what it is.

I have tried the Nitro oil, and even though its dark and shit looking it actually tasted cleaner then some waxes / budders ive been smoking lately, however I still end up coughing up grey and black.

I dont think any clubs will have pure purged oil and if they do they will charge 70+ a gram, unless someone starts growing and making oil from primo bud and then selling it to clubs and not caring about profit... aka neverlol

The only problem with that is this. You have to be rich, in order to give your time, for nothing in return. Solvents cost money, and so does good popcorn bud, to buy or to grow. I know patients that are close friends, and sometimes i'll make things for them, but since i'm not rich, it's still an issue of time, work, and cost of solvents. And I am a pretty compassionate person, especially when it comes to others that are less fortunate, and in need. It frustrates me that I cannot help people out more.

The other option is that someone, maybe Tamisium, or someone more compassionate, will make a Butane recovery system that processes more than 1-2 ounces, more like 8 oz at a time, but sells for under $2000. The Tamisium is $4000 for the 8 ounce extractor, and what they don't tell you, is without grinding it up, you cannot get that much to fit. So the cheaper model, the Tabletop is very limited, for $1500. Butane cost is the real problem, here.

That's why i'm hoping that Gray Wolf will come to the rescue.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Have you tested the THC/CBD levels before and after in the oil you made into an acetate? I know I love a fast onset. I also know I don't want CBD in my plants.
Thanks for the info.
-SamS

First, if you rounded up 100 people off the street and had them test vaporized cannabis oil vis a vis cannabis acetate, they would most likely tell you that without question, acetate is several times stronger and got them higher.Our panel testing with ultra high tolerance patients suggests that it is probably not more potent, it just arrives so fast and strongly that it is perceived as such. Overall panel testing suggested that in general, the head response is fast and strong, but the body response is weaker when cannabis acetate is vaporized. That suggests that at least some of the CBD may have also been isomerized into THC by the acetic process.It also comes on faster and stronger than plain oil when used in orally or in topical meds. The peaks do appear to be briefly higher due to their fast arrival (rush), but the peak effect tapers off within a few minutes for me and about thirty minutes was what it took me personally to recover from enough of an OD that I experienced nausea.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

If you eat Cannabis products that have not been heated to decarboxylate them you still get high but not as high as if you did dearboxylate them before you eat them.
If you want to know what levels the THCA and THC were you need to run the unprepared sample with a HPLC and then you get the THCA and THC levels.
-SamS

I just put 1gr. of bud that was stored at room temp in an air tight jar for 7 months in 25ml of 80%Vol. / 160 proof rum. No heating.
Will filter and drink later. Shouldn't get me high, right?
Report follows...

edit: ~1h later all trichome heads have dissolved in the rum. Filtered and drank it...
edit: Another hour later and I got a rather hefty high going. This bud decarboxylated pretty good in 7 months at room temp..

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

THCA decarboxylates to THC, but THCA does not degrade into CBD, it will into CBN, but not much after just 7 months.
Curing is not the same.
-SamS

This is a statement and question at the same time; meaning I think I'm right, but maybe gray wolf could school me.

If you sit a bud out in jar for 7 months a lot of the THC or THCA has changed into cbd and cbn I think; so I wouldn't exactly call it decarboxylated, because that suggests that it went though a heating process right? I think it's just considered the regular half-life process of the molecules, or what we call curing.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

^thanks for clearing that up. So lets say I let it sit in a jar for like 2 years or as long as it takes a lot of the thca to turn into cbn. does that make it have a more medicinal body effect, or is it just less potent at a certain point? The bud and bubble that I have cured for a year plus was always very nice imo. also as the plant matter breaks down over time would it be easier to make a cleaner product with iso or butane?

I am very new to oils still, and usually make iso that i mix with bubble to make like a jelly hash. turns out nice, but it is hard to get any of the pure iso to be solid glass at room temp. It is like taffy. easy to handle but not jolly rancher. if I put it in the freezer it is as hard as a rock. I hear iso cant get like glass. If I do a butane extraction what should I do the second wash with? iso or more butane, or hexane? if hexane where do i get it. also can I just use 45m bubble screen and coffee filter as my filter and still achieve glass quality?

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I don't like or need CBN so maybe I am the wrong guy to ask.
If you want a medicinal body effect, have you tried varieties high in CBD or high THC varieties with the right Terpenes to give the effects you want.
Do you understand that when I tested smokers blind, they could not tell varieties with CBD from THC only varieties high but in terpenes that give CBD like effects. Also, are you sure it is CBN that you want? Maybe it is CBD or terpenes that are CBD like in effects.
What I don't like about CBN is it is foggy and not clear.

As for advice about oils, I am not really a fan of oil, and I don't give advice about something I know so little about. Ask these other guys they seem to know their oils, and have the love of it to seek perfection in their products.

-SamS

^thanks for clearing that up. So lets say I let it sit in a jar for like 2 years or as long as it takes a lot of the thca to turn into cbn. does that make it have a more medicinal body effect, or is it just less potent at a certain point? The bud and bubble that I have cured for a year plus was always very nice imo. also as the plant matter breaks down over time would it be easier to make a cleaner product with iso or butane?

I am very new to oils still, and usually make iso that i mix with bubble to make like a jelly hash. turns out nice, but it is hard to get any of the pure iso to be solid glass at room temp. It is like taffy. easy to handle but not jolly rancher. if I put it in the freezer it is as hard as a rock. I hear iso cant get like glass. If I do a butane extraction what should I do the second wash with? iso or more butane, or hexane? if hexane where do i get it. also can I just use 45m bubble screen and coffee filter as my filter and still achieve glass quality?

 

[Gray Wolf]

^thanks for clearing that up. So lets say I let it sit in a jar for like 2 years or as long as it takes a lot of the thca to turn into cbn. does that make it have a more medicinal body effect, or is it just less potent at a certain point? The bud and bubble that I have cured for a year plus was always very nice imo. also as the plant matter breaks down over time would it be easier to make a cleaner product with iso or butane?

I am very new to oils still, and usually make iso that i mix with bubble to make like a jelly hash. turns out nice, but it is hard to get any of the pure iso to be solid glass at room temp. It is like taffy. easy to handle but not jolly rancher. if I put it in the freezer it is as hard as a rock. I hear iso cant get like glass. If I do a butane extraction what should I do the second wash with? iso or more butane, or hexane? if hexane where do i get it. also can I just use 45m bubble screen and coffee filter as my filter and still achieve glass quality?

Yeah, what SS said about storage and conversion of THC to CBN.

If you do a butane extraction, I would do the second wash with butane as well, after repacking the column.

Hexane will also work well, as it as even less polar than butane, but more difficult to purge. We buy HPLC grade hexane from the local scientific supply store.

I often do the first extraction with 190 proof ethanol and the second (sleep meds) extraction with butane, but I have never done a butane, followed by an alcohol extraction.

Vegetable oil is also a good way to glean the left over cannabinoids. After baking the material out to purge the residual solvent, simply cook it in oil, which can be used as an oral, for cooking, or for a topical.

 

[Gray Wolf]

^thanks for clearing that up. So lets say I let it sit in a jar for like 2 years or as long as it takes a lot of the thca to turn into cbn. does that make it have a more medicinal body effect, or is it just less potent at a certain point? The bud and bubble that I have cured for a year plus was always very nice imo. also as the plant matter breaks down over time would it be easier to make a cleaner product with iso or butane?

I am very new to oils still, and usually make iso that i mix with bubble to make like a jelly hash. turns out nice, but it is hard to get any of the pure iso to be solid glass at room temp. It is like taffy. easy to handle but not jolly rancher. if I put it in the freezer it is as hard as a rock. I hear iso cant get like glass. If I do a butane extraction what should I do the second wash with? iso or more butane, or hexane? if hexane where do i get it. also can I just use 45m bubble screen and coffee filter as my filter and still achieve glass quality?

CBN is a sedative and produces a slack jawed drooling state at OD, with little in the way of a euphoric high, and it can be disorienting to some folks.

I sometimes cook THC into CBN, to reduce speediness of an extract, so as to make it more suitable for a night time med, but in general try to minimize it for most other applications.

Curing longer doesn't seem to make much difference in oil smoothness, beyond getting rid of the water and the water solubles that tag along. You can actually do a pristine extraction using frozen fresh material, with chilled butane, that will knock your socks off for smoothness and flavor.

The chlorophyll does break down to reduce the harshness of smoke, but techniques that avoid it in the first place are minimally affected.

When I use QWET or QWISO, I always freeze even cured material to side step water solubles, and try to cook out as much of the water as practical before hand, using a 200F oven.

I use a coffee filter or a Number 1 Wattman for the first filtration, but follow up with a syringe filter at 0.2 microns, if I want bell clear clarity.

As far as a glass state, my extractions typically would not shatter if dropped to the floor at at ambient temperatures. Depending on process, they typically ranges from really stifffff taffy, to gear oil in viscosity, unless I freeze it.

 

[chargers123]

anyone got a recipe on how to make that hard-taffy ? never done BHO.. dont wanna kill myself or others though..

 

[Gray Wolf]

anyone got a recipe on how to make that hard-taffy ? never done BHO.. dont wanna kill myself or others though..

The hard stuff is THCA and gets runnier once decarboxylated, so you want to use cold processing.

You might check out Butane Honey Oil For Dummies, on page two of this resin forum.

 

[medicalgreen]

anyone got a recipe on how to make that hard-taffy ? never done BHO.. dont wanna kill myself or others though..

Yes, unfortunately, butane can be dangerous, but so can water, if you place your head under it, and keep it there long enough.

Just be mindful when working with it. Don't be stupid. Think things through before you act, and never EVER leave a circuit burning with electricity right near your work area, (in other words, don't have appliances running right near you), don't rub the floor or carpet with your feet, avoid static completely, open flames, and dumb people, especially addicted tobacco fiends. And do it outside, or if inside, make sure you have a fan running on you and your area, and open windows all around.

 

[medicalgreen]

CBN is a sedative and produces a slack jawed drooling state at OD, with little in the way of a euphoric high, and it can be disorienting to some folks.

I sometimes cook THC into CBN, to reduce speediness of an extract, so as to make it more suitable for a night time med, but in general try to minimize it for most other applications.

Curing longer doesn't seem to make much difference in oil smoothness, beyond getting rid of the water and the water solubles that tag along. You can actually do a pristine extraction using frozen fresh material, with chilled butane, that will knock your socks off for smoothness and flavor.

The chlorophyll does break down to reduce the harshness of smoke, but techniques that avoid it in the first place are minimally affected.

When I use QWET or QWISO, I always freeze even cured material to side step water solubles, and try to cook out as much of the water as practical before hand, using a 200F oven.

I use a coffee filter or a Number 1 Wattman for the first filtration, but follow up with a syringe filter at 0.2 microns, if I want bell clear clarity.

As far as a glass state, my extractions typically would not shatter if dropped to the floor at at ambient temperatures. Depending on process, they typically ranges from really stifffff taffy, to gear oil in viscosity, unless I freeze it.

I'm curious Gray Wolf, why do you run the alcohol first, then the tane? Is it to get higher yields?

 

[jump117]

THCA decarboxylates to THC, but THCA does not degrade into CBD, it will into CBN, but not much after just 7 months.
Curing is not the same.
-SamS

Sam_Skunkman, please help me resolve my doubts.
Is CBN result of degradation during the oxidation of THC?

I hear iso cant get like glass.

Hash Zeppelin, Iso can get like glass, see a quote from my topic "Amber in 15 minutes from cutting" .

Look at the masterpiece - it's possible!

cheese glass iso

Hey metamorf will you tell some more details of glass making plz.
Was it bud or trim?
Was it fresh or dried?
Was it one run or more?
What was the timing?
Was it strong enough as you suspected?
Thank you.

This was from about 10-15 grams of dried and cured A.M.S bud taken 8 weeks. Only one run, 15 secs of shaking with 97% isopropyl and then strain and cook off the iso. Took about two hours total, the strength? It was ridiculous, I gave it all away since it was way too much for me.

If I do a butane extraction what should I do the second wash with?

I do the second wash with ethanol 96% (190 proof) to get Absolute Amber.

Edit.
Confused the second run with the second run.
From the same material second run - of course with butane.

 

[Gray Wolf]

I'm curious Gray Wolf, why do you run the alcohol first, then the tane? Is it to get higher yields?

It is to get two different products. One of our now deceased cancer patients prefered a QWET for their gram a day dosage and needed something sleepy for night time.

Using her God Bud and ATF, the first extraction made a tasty speedy day med that would couch lock you at OD, but your mind would be racing and the second would put her to sleep and couch lock her at OD.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

What I remember is that yes CBN is degraded THC and other Cannabinoids if they are there.
-SamS

Sam_Skunkman, please help me resolve my doubts.
Is CBN result of degradation during the oxidation of THC?

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

oh wow good info guys. i appreciate the answers, I would really like to be able to make different varieties of good oils. I like a heady trippy smoke for fun but something with good pain killing for my bad stomach, and something with anti anxiety properties because having stomach problems causes anxiety.

also where can i get a .2 micron filter online?

 

[medicalgreen]

oh wow good info guys. i appreciate the answers, I would really like to be able to make different varieties of good oils. I like a heady trippy smoke for fun but something with good pain killing for my bad stomach, and something with anti anxiety properties because having stomach problems causes anxiety.

also where can i get a .2 micron filter online?

In my experience, you won't really be needing them. Coffee filters do everything you really need. Just remember to rewash the filters in ethanol or alcohol afterwards. You will lose a significant amount in the filters if you don't. I must have thrown out over a lb of mid-prime BHO in the last x number of years.

 

[Gray Wolf]

oh wow good info guys. i appreciate the answers, I would really like to be able to make different varieties of good oils. I like a heady trippy smoke for fun but something with good pain killing for my bad stomach, and something with anti anxiety properties because having stomach problems causes anxiety.

also where can i get a .2 micron filter online?

Check out E-Bay for a wide selection of syringe filters and syringes relatively cheeeep.

You can also check out the online scientific supply stores.

American Scientific, LLC, is one of our local favorites with a store front, but I notice they also have an online presence as well.

That is where we also pick up our Wattman Number 1 filter papers, which we use for vacuum filtration, as well as other toys. For instance, you can pick up the vaccum filtration setups there too.

Good point MG on washing out the filters to minimize tithings to the filter gods!