Need elite grower to help.

[independent_1]

I have been having the same prob for every hydro grow for 2 yrs now. Take a look and help enlighten me.

 

[resinryder]

What's the problem?

 

[independent_1]

OK . Basically I've been reading and trying every diy pos system thought up. I finally gave in and thought my problems were my systems. So I built a rm totally sealed, caulked, painted, and basically a 5 star resort for plants. completely climate controlled. humidity co2 everything a plant could ask for. I thought I may have a virus so I started over w all new equipment. I bought one of those ebbngrow systems. modified the control bucket to a 5 G and set the 2 G buckets on 2" foam so all h20 will drain. Running ro @ 25 ppm gh 6/9, aqua sheild, hygrzyme, cal mg 5 ml. change h20 every 8 days. Problem= every time @ flower week 4 i get a serious def that I think is mag. No matter how I treat it my plants go down hill. roots go from white to tan to sickly and by the time they should be finishing I'll see white roots start out the holes again. F me. Def starts in lower fans turning fringes brown and then yellowing in between veins followed by purpling stems that progress up the plant and in turn stops the buds from growing basically they just sit at the same size for the rest of the grow. I've grown with the most basic formulas to the most complicated bunch o goo. I can only think it's a lockout but why.

 

[independent_1]

I'm running 2 1000 watt lights. over 12 plants. 36 " above canopy. fans gently move air. temps never over 80 @ canopy. humidity stable @ 55- 60 ph 5.5- 6.1 let it drift to grab all nutes. Plants do great till week 4-5 everytime they just go from explosion to dying. Blackberry from holland. Indica. Uhh what else feed 4 times a day for 15 mins. none at night. i keep a large amount of air with a circulation pump in tank that turns on every hr for 10 mins tank is stable 68 degrees usually put 35 G in tank top offs and I've tried running it up to 1800 before thinking thay were starving, did a run that didn't go over 800ppm thinking it was nute burn. nothing matters same thing happens. Tried formula 6 9 with epsom it's just the same thing over and over. Tried a different strain nope. I use an,s ph down but should that losk it up . I am pulling my hair out here. I'm at wk 4 now and same prob but I tried roots excellerator and drip clean instead of aqua sheild same results happening now help help

 

[independent_1]

Pics will be up soon.. I know I've lost the battle when I see the white hairs start to turn, they are close to that now. I just flushed em with drip clean and 35%h202 @ 2ml yesterday. Roots look a little better but man I'm clueless how to stop this. Someone take me under your wing before I lose my mind ahhhhhhhhhh I can't tell you how many different ways I've tried. I just did a run in coco w 2 plants soul synthetics one was bomber and the other did the same thing as the hydro wtf. I'll do whatever works I just can't find anything that works.

 

[Weird]

your nuking em

 

[Weird]

lets look at the particular point of failure

4-5 weeks into flower

everything is great up to then

there is no virus or environmental that has an external cue 4-5 weeks into flowering regardless of strain, the only variable that can possibly be effecting the plant is you

its happening 4-5 weeks of flower .. what exactly are you feeding them, by chance are you feeding them the same bloom booster every time?

ive had the rare occasion Ionic and GH especially where i got bad batches of nutes, and since its happening at that time cue specifically it makes me wonder is there something you add at that time in all your runs that may be culprit

 

[independent_1]

Really? I mean I run em up to 6 9 and they do great then it's like when they totally stop their stretch and concentrate on budding is when all hell breaks lose. If i go measure right now they are 5.6 and 722 ppm that just doesn't seem high but I have nothing to compare it to. Is that overly high for gh?

 

[Weird]

Really? I mean I run em up to 6 9 and they do great then it's like when they totally stop their stretch and concentrate on budding is when all hell breaks lose. If i go measure right now they are 5.6 and 722 ppm that just doesn't seem high but I have nothing to compare it to. Is that overly high for gh?

800, for me, is the highest i go with a base, and thats in full flower

the plant is feeding on its existing stores which means the root system is ineffective

is it lockout? or is it burn?

either way its too much feed imho

 

[independent_1]

This round i ran 6 micro, 9 bloom, 5 cal mag, 3 roots excellerator, .5 drip clean, 2 silica blast. I have given em some kb at wk 3 hoping that would give em what they want and then noticed a male flower in the top of one of em. Just read others have seen this effect before. Other runs I've not used anything to boost just wanted to see a plant finish out with out probs. It really seems like a nute lock issue cause it doesn't go away. Maybe I am feeding to heavy and just need to step back. I have nothing to compare to so thanks for any help. It seems that with that much light and co2 they should handle a much higher nute schedule but what do I know.

 

[Hammerhead]

you can not post pics until you have 50+ posts here and a member for over a week. Until you get your post count past 50 you will need to use a alternate site to host like Image bucket

 

[Weird]

This round i ran 6 micro, 9 bloom, 5 cal mag, 3 roots excellerator, .5 drip clean, 2 silica blast. I have given em some kb at wk 3 hoping that would give em what they want and then noticed a male flower in the top of one of em. Just read others have seen this effect before. Other runs I've not used anything to boost just wanted to see a plant finish out with out probs. It really seems like a nute lock issue cause it doesn't go away.

lockout that doesnt go away means that your roots arent locked up but they are dying

Maybe I am feeding to heavy and just need to step back.

the wisest advice i was given was start at a .25% strength and work your way up

if you simply underfed, the plants would feed off the lower leaves, you see this cue and up the feed a PERCENTAGE and observe.

a healthy but hungry plant responds to treatment far quicker than a locked up or burnt plant ever does, you can get preserve your end goal of good yield of heady tops with plants that are a bit underfed much harder to do it when they are burnt or locked up

800 ppm MAX was with CO2 btw

I have nothing to compare to so thanks for any help. It seems that with that much light and co2 they should handle a much higher nute schedule but what do I know.

lower your nutes by 40% and work up, also keep sharp eyes on your roots they are the real barometer of your plants health

 

[BongRipkenJR.]

Are you still using the hygrozyme? Have you used it every time the issue has happened? Maybe you should run some clean water with lower levels of cal mag just to give it a slight flush.

 

[independent_1]

bear w me I am totally computer illiterate. Thanks that explains the probs I was having this morning. pics. I have tried all sorts of crap to stop this from happening this is just the latest. Roots excellerator with hygrozyme in every change out. The plants do so well till wk 4-5. They are flushing right now. I didn't add anything, think I should put a small amount of cal mg in there. 1 ml per G maybe

 

[BongRipkenJR.]

Thats weird that your roots would be dieing like that. Try to cut out the hygrozyme. I never had any luck with that stuff. If you are using GH, just use the Micro and Bloom. You shouldn't need too much cal mag. You don't need to add all these additives when using GH. Remember to keep it simple stoner!

 

[Weird]

you do realize that the use of root enhancers makes the plant take up nutrients easier ant thus makes them more apt to burn

i never used enzymes or root enhancers in water for that reason, aquashield alone will keep the root system healthy, hygrozyme can make the root system more feed sensitive

 

[Zen Master]

is your cal mag cloudy?


supposedly good Botanicare CalMag is supposed to be clear. Mine wasnt. Mine was opaque as shit.

I switched to Technaflora MagiCal (you can read a book thru a shotglass full of it) and we'll se how it goes (just started feeding magiCal today)

edit: yeah I used Hygrozyme one time... it supposedly helps roots but maybe I got a bad batch, my roots went to shit once I started using it, cut it out and they got better...

wierd...

 

[Str8Dank]

its not the nutrients you are running i have ran many successful grows with a ebb and grow with lucas. i dont go by 6/12 or whatever i go by ppm. i have successfully ran the nutrients up to 1300ppm just fine and i've done that with many many strains.

TMV does this i believe. do you see a very faint marbling look on the leafs in veg? a strain i use to run Pineapple Dogshit would do this like clockwork for almost every grower that tried to tame her and most gave in. what strains are you running?

what other variables are there that could cause this besides desired that can be transferred like TMV??? when is the last time you calibrated your ph meter? probably not it as it would show some signs in veg even if it was that out of wack.

what is the temp of your res? if it's getting warm it can cause some of these issues.

722ppm is low as hell for week 4 imo. is that total after all the additives and everything? plants are hungry then that would be one of the first things i would change personally I'd bring them up a little higher. i guess talking does not do much i should show and prove these are all 1200 ppm + lucas in a ebb and grow. i've used beastie bloom and chaching and i've used top booster and bud xl and both worked great. ive also ran silcia blast, hygrozyme, cal/mag+ @ 10/ml gla with some strains. instead of going by a set ml/gal i go by ratio 1 part micro 2 parts bloom and i would add the additives at the strength i want first then add the base by the lucas ratio until i hit my desired ppms.....

as for tmv i would try new beans using serialized utensils for cuttings and dont smoke cigs in your room i recently read that this can cause tmv also, who knew.

 

[BongRipkenJR.]

It just seems like way to much is happening. Whatever you do, dont listen to the hydroponic store guys. Bloom, Micro, Cal-mag. That is all you need. If you are feeling zesty try some Flora Nectar. I have actually got root rot in my ebb and flow system because my grandparents strayed from my feeding schedule and snuck in hygrozyme. I had no idea what was going on and they showed me the new product the dude at the hydro store said they have to use!

 

[independent_1]

I didn't know that about the extras. I thought they just kept the nasties from forming on dead matter. As far as the kiss goes Ever since i read the quote " Anyone can make something complicated, It takes a Genius to make something simple" can't remember who but good one.If there is anyone who can complicate it I can. I want nothing more then simplicity now. I used to run everything in the store through the system. Throw out the hygrozyme, done. Less is more< going to do that. I was reading about the maxibloom 1 tsp per G in tap h20 that's simple. But to finish this with a better understanding I will drain and replace tank in the am they are flushing now. I'll run a light formula of 3 micro 6 bloom and 2 cal mg. 5 aquasheild. What say you.