Kentucky moves towards decriminalization

[DiscoBiscuit]

ohhh you mean hot water bottles...

Maybe that's what it is. The hot water is boiling your brain.

do try to pay attention....
C&P little buddy dont care that it "Doesn't look like cut n paste to me."
cuz waht things look like to you has little bearing on the reality of them. BTW the text in quotes above also cut and paste...
all of which is you obfuscating.
who really gives a shit if i typed or C&P? it's an accurate quote regardless...

I pay enough attention to know you quoted somebody else or made it up yourself. Who gives a shit what you typed? More like who gives a shit over your point. Whatever it is.

prediction?
i was born with two and they clank when i walk

Ooh, brainy balls. "Winning"

or just

^^Ooh, here comes some more wisdom from dag.^^

your petty partisn animosity clouds your ability to discern.

Considering the fact you say nothing, there's nothing to discern.

i must have really hurt hims wittle feelings at some point.

Well, they'd have to be pretty thin skinned or maybe you're suffering from delusions of grandeur.

are you one of those prohibition supporters who couldn't defend the indefensible?

Are you unable to discern from previous posts? It's all there, dag. You're not interested enough to read and I'm not interested with you enough to repeat what I already posted.

Are you ever planning to make a point?

Are you Pete Repeat?

carry on little buddy..

Sure thing, clank.

it will be ok i promise. im just a random screen name no need to get riled

More like bored with your crap.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

ohh and can we be honest for just a moment?

Is all the other chit lies?

it's really not left or right that has made a difference in passing MMJ laws.

So sayeth the dag.

the confusion of causation/correlation is a common one.

Yeah, you've always gave me that impression.

more realistically the true difference is the voter initiative process.
when left solely to the people compassion tends to win the day.
it's purely conjecture but id be willing to wager if those red states had a voter initiative process MMJ would be passing in those states as well.

Now you're getting somewhere, dag. But your key word if. If those red states had a voter initiative process. The fact is, they do. Voter initiatives like gay marriage bans, school prayer, restricting abortion, guns out the ass. You know, all those great, conservative initiatves.

Oh, wait. You mean reform initiative. Tip to dag... revert to "if".

 

[dagnabit]

Now you're getting somewhere, dag. But your key word if. If those red states had a voter initiative process. The fact is, they do.

they do?!?!?
holy shit!!!!
you might wanna tell them..
everyone else but the wise DB is under the impression that only 24 states have the voter initiative process.
now if you were to juxtapose a red/blue map over a ballot initiative state map you would see correlation.
that correlation would look to some like causation however,looking deeper one would see that the voter initiative process is written into the state constitution long before the current incarnation of neo liberal (blue) and pseudo conservative(red).
now if one were to perform the same juxtaposition with a voter initiative map and a MMJ map one would see correlation AND causation as evidenced by the lack of MMJ legislation in those V.I. states with limited V.I. scope (EG. Florida;which only allows V.I. for constitutional amendments or Illinois which only allows non binding V.I.)
so really all the red vs. blue vitriol serves to do is distract and divide on the marijuana issue.
dem or rep politicians have not been instrumental in reforming MJ laws PEOPLE have through the V.I. process.
sure there are the odd ones out on both sides who stand up from time to time but,they are the exception.
place your faith in dems or repubs if you want to..
you will be sorely disappointed in the end.
btw in case you were serious
no all states do not have the V.I. process.
im giving you the benefit of the doubt and chalking it up to sarcasm not translating well on the net.(there really should be an agreed upon sarcasm font i vote comic sans MS)

http://www.ballot.org/page/-/ballot.org/maps/Initiative states.pdf

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

sorry. based on your other posts, I didn't even read it. I'm no fan of amateur constitutional scholars.

Ok, I lied... I read your post. You ever heard of ballot initiatives to encourage voter turnout? I don't really care where your constitutional interpretation comes from. I live in the 21st century. All one has to do is observe initiatives in red and blue states to see what gets em to the poles.

 

[dagnabit]

gay marriage bans, school prayer, restricting abortion, conservative initiatves.

there is where the orwellian practice of doublespeak rebranding is evidenced.
each of the above listed is an increase in governmental power.
an increase in governmental power is by definition NOT a conservative ideology. it's a republican ideology(which is just another form of big government liberalism)
i see the ministry of truth has been visiting you..

 

[CANNATOPIA]

Good Luck Kentucky!

 

[dagnabit]

sorry. based on your other posts, I didn't even read it. I'm no fan of amateur constitutional scholars.

lmao not constitutional rhetoric involved..

but stay ignorant.
it's how the party wants you

 

[dagnabit]

sorry. based on your other posts, I didn't even read it. I'm no fan of amateur constitutional scholars.

Ok, I lied... I read your post. You ever heard of ballot initiatives to encourage voter turnout? I don't really care where your constitutional interpretation comes from. I live in the 21st century. All one has to do is observe initiatives in red and blue states to see what gets em to the poles.

HOLY SHIT!!!!
you really do think every state has voter initiatives!!!!!

sorry i thought you were up here with us..

nevermind
continue to play with your own poop...

thats just sad!

 

[Kaossilation]

 

[Baba Ku]

I don't know why I even waste time debating you...it turns into your 5 page replies of one liners trying to pick my post apart sentence by sentence...and frankly I get sick and tired of seeing your ignorance.

See what I mean about the endless one liners of ignorance?
If no smart ass answer is available, then it's always answered with a smart ass question that makes little sense.

Then of course we have sideline cheerleaders, take Kaoossilation and his meaningless post for example...that gets accompanied by little negative reps.
Thanks, BTW....you contributed so much.

You are wasting your time, dag...some of these folks, especially Discobiscuit, have fallen into the partisan hack field and can come up with nothing but the liberal line.
They are convinced that the whole problem with MJ is that the evil right wing in America has held us down.
You see it...I see it...and a majority of Americans see it...but they never will. They are blinded with it.
Whats funny is...they think they are in the intelligent majority.
Even when shown stats that point out they belong to about a 1/3 minority, they will argue that they are for sure the majority...and why, because the feel so much like they should be the majority. And as they are certain they also have a lock on feelings and emotions...they just have to be right..er...correct.

You know, a large portion of our problems today is a direct result of the fouled up thinking these people have, and the divisive tactics they use for each and every aspect of their lives.
Ironic that this same group of people who use such dubious tactics, are the ones always warning us about the tactics of others and how nobody but them should be trusted.

 

[D.S. Toker. MD]

Bullshit. .I heard these same proclamations in 1970,74,80, then in 88 things went south and in the opposite direction of freedom.

Kentucky has built its entire history on tobacco, whiskey, horses(gambling), cock fighting(gambling), and coal. You would think that cannabis would be an easy fit, but Ill have to see it to believe it. This state is filled with a self rightous, holier than thou bunch of taliban leaning low life that praises god and hates freedom. They will fight this evil sin on every front!
Long live the creation museum!!!! These drug wielding islamic mexican terrorists are after our children!!!


The Reality:
If you got caught with a roach and 2 papers, 5 years ago, you were convicted of possesion of marijuana and possession of paraphanalia. If you get caught with a roach and pack of papers today, you are committing a 2nd offense of both laws which are 2 felonies and you face 10 years in the penitentary and a possible persistant felony offense for an additional 5 years- for 1 roach and a pack of papers!!.

There are dozens of kentuckians fighting these archaic offenses in court today in kentucky

 

[Baba Ku]

Possession
Less than 8 oz (first offense) misdemeanor

Cultivation
Less than 5 plants (first offense) misdemeanor

Sale or Trafficking
Less than 8 oz misdemeanor

Miscellaneous (paraphernalia, license suspensions, drug tax stamps, etc...)
Paraphernalia possession misdemeanor
(there are no felony charges for paraphernalia in KY)


Any first conviction of a minor causes driver's license suspension for 1 year.
Any subsequent conviction of a minor causes driver's license suspension for 2 years.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

everyone else but the wise DB is under the impression that only 24 states have the voter initiative process.

I didn't say initiative process. I wasn't talking about political science. I was talking about the initiative to vote when one wouldn't otherwise.

I gave examples of what draws conservatives to vote when they might not otherwise.

An example of initiative (to vote) that might appeal to dems is raising the minimum wage. Some peeps will turn out when they otherwise might not.

id be willing to wager if those red states had a voter initiative process MMJ would be passing in those states as well.

And since that post, you've learned that 24 red states have exactly what you're saying would take to pass mmj.

How many have actually passed? One? How many actually have mmj initiatives in the works?

dem or rep politicians have not been instrumental in reforming MJ laws

We know that dag. But there are more dem lawmakers attempting reform than rep lawmakers. And I don't care if you discount it.

Do you know of any democrats attempting to roll back reform? Republicans are currently trying in MT. But I get it, you're ignoring stuff like this. Maybe it's your impulse that conservative voters will save the day. But their representatives are typical, conservative moral police that want to control our private lives.

sure there are the odd ones out on both sides who stand up from time to time but,they are the exception.
place your faith in dems or repubs if you want to..

dag, I wish you didn't have the propensity to enter late and miss previous posts. I gave examples of exceptions like Frank and Paul. But I never said who is going to reform or how it's going to take place.

When I say conservatives are thwarting reform, I'm talking about lawmakers. There aren't media reports of conservative voters thwarting reform. That's why I never said you and hoosier are complicit. But your representatives are.

I don't blame you for looking away when conservatives do like what's happening in MT. And who's the new IL senator who played pot crusader in 2010? Lots of this shit is on the local level and names aren't as recognizable as national. Last year, San Diego had some state conservatives trying to undo progress. It's in the news enough to pretty much consider it a given.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Possession
Less than 8 oz (first offense) misdemeanor

Cultivation
Less than 5 plants (first offense) misdemeanor

Sale or Trafficking
Less than 8 oz misdemeanor

Miscellaneous (paraphernalia, license suspensions, drug tax stamps, etc...)
Paraphernalia possession misdemeanor
(there are no felony charges for paraphernalia in KY)

You might want to check sentencing info. Some misdemeanors carry a stint in the joint.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

there is where the orwellian practice of doublespeak rebranding is evidenced.
each of the above listed is an increase in governmental power.
an increase in governmental power is by definition NOT a conservative ideology. it's a republican ideology(which is just another form of big government liberalism)

Yeah but these lawmakers call themselves conservative. They run on conservative platforms and are voted to office by conservatives.

If they don't do what you want once their in office, I feel sorry for you. I know the feeling myself.

So hoosier, how do you feel about ol' dag calling your party big gov liberalism? They are pretty liberal with the top earners. But if I said what daggy did you'd have a fucking cow.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I don't know why I even waste time debating you...it turns into your 5 page replies of one liners trying to pick my post apart sentence by sentence

It's two fold, you either speak like authority or you don't cite your data or both. And I've told you a million times your personal disposition is rotten.

and frankly I get sick and tired of seeing your ignorance.
Thing is...if you weren't on some sort of a trolling tirade to find some sort of fault with me personally, you wouldn't have even skulked into this thread.
Get a life and a clue.

Nah, I just think yer posts are hilarious. Get a valium.

 

[dagnabit]

I didn't say initiative process. I wasn't talking about political science. I was talking about the initiative to vote when one wouldn't otherwise.

so when i said "it's purely conjecture but id be willing to wager if those red states had a voter initiative process MMJ would be passing in those states as well."
you thought i was not talking about the voter initiative process?
i can see where that could be confusing to you

And since that post, you've learned that 24 red states have exactly what you're saying would take to pass mmj.

How many have actually passed? One? How many actually have mmj initiatives in the works?

it would be hard for me to learn that "24 red states have exactly what you're saying would take to pass mmj."
when they so obviously don't...
it just a simple fact that most red states DO NOT HAVE A VOTER/BALLOT INITIATIVE PROCESS

We know that dag. But there are more dem lawmakers attempting reform than rep lawmakers. And I don't care if you discount it.

the numbers just dont support your position here.
but you keep playing the old tired "but what about the republicans" card.
THEY SUCK!!!!
i am not now nor have i ever said they were the answer..
you are arguing against that man of straw hard,because im sure as hell not suggesting the repubs are our friends.
im saying (once again) neither party is!
maybe this time it will pass through your wall of animosity..

Do you know of any democrats attempting to roll back reform?

boxer was one...
but again the argument that repubs are somehow better or worse is one of your own creation...
burn that scarecrow

Republicans are currently trying in MT. But I get it, you're ignoring stuff like this. Maybe it's your impulse that conservative voters will save the day. But their representatives are typical, conservative moral police that want to control our private lives.

no one is ignoring a damn thing!
both parties have their moral police and both are wrong.

When I say conservatives are thwarting reform, I'm talking about lawmakers. There aren't media reports of conservative voters thwarting reform. That's why I never said you and hoosier are complicit. But your representatives are.

who do you think my representatives are
How many watts does that crystal-ball consume?

I don't blame you for looking away when conservatives do like what's happening in MT.

it's good you dont "blame me for looking away"
because it would be pretty hard to blame me for something i dont do.
any lib who wants to quell personal freedom is not ok with me.
probably why i have never voted for a repub in my life.

And who's the new IL senator who played pot crusader in 2010?

Lang is impassioned and amazing when it comes to MMJ
did you notice a roll call of that vote?
it was far from partisan.
not so as you would notice but had it been as simple as red/blue IL would be a med state today.
but once again this whole red/blue argument is an obfuscatory construct


i had thought you were a disagreeable albeit somewhat educated type.
i realize the folly of assumption is my onus to bear in this regard.
your lack of understanding of the basic difference between V.I. states and non V.I. states displays the fact your just a poop flinger.
i thought i was conversing with someone with a basic understanding of civics..
sorry to have rattled your little left right cage..
the next meal should be along shortly. just wait patiently for the party to feed you your talking points.

the 24 V.I. states are the red ones huh?

 

[dagnabit]

Yeah but these lawmakers call themselves conservative. They run on conservative platforms and are voted to office by conservatives.

If they don't do what you want once their in office, I feel sorry for you. I know the feeling myself.

So hoosier, how do you feel about ol' dag calling your party big gov liberalism? They are pretty liberal with the top earners. But if I said what daggy did you'd have a fucking cow.

legislation of morality is by definition a liberal idea.
whether that be
banning gay marriage
or
banning toys in happy meals
or
banning abortion
or
mandated insurance
or
sodomy laws
or
prohibition


you get the picture.
these are all expansions of government scope.
the plainest example of the true nature of our one party liberal expansionist system is the current executive's (and legislative's) complicity concerning the u.s.a.p.a.t.r.i.o.t. act.
repubs and dems alike voted to extend this awful piece of government power extension.

 

[Baba Ku]

Disco, my disposition is only rotten when I am interacting with dipshits.
Do I seem to always have a rotten disposition to you?

And just what makes you think the Republican party is my party? I know how your type loves to make assumptions..about EVERYTHING really. And I understand why you do this...because you find yourself the authority on all things, and if it isn't in your book of tricks it is somehow bad for humanity.
Thing is, you are way too smart by half.
I am a Conservative American, and don't you fucking forget it.
And Conservative Americans are all about less government intrusion, a strict adherence to the US Constitution, and above all the personal freedoms that man should be able to enjoy. All of which if followed is the clear path to all things legal and just in the cannabis world.

Explain the platform of the liberal, the socialist, the communist, the anarchist, or just about any other left wing faction...then see if their charter fits with personal freedoms.
Oh sure, the left wants folks to believe thy are the champions of all good causes, but it's phony shit IMO. In fact, the left fashions all of it's arguments around phony shit.
And in order for phony shit to be bought and sold, there requires a constituency that enjoys eating phony shit...although some have no idea what they are eating is excrement...

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

so when i said "it's purely conjecture but id be willing to wager if those red states had a voter initiative process MMJ would be passing in those states as well."
you thought i was not talking about the voter initiative process?
i can see where that could be confusing to you






it would be hard for me to learn that "24 red states have exactly what you're saying would take to pass mmj."
when they so obviously don't...
it just a simple fact that most red states DO NOT HAVE A VOTER/BALLOT INITIATIVE PROCESS



the numbers just dont support your position here.
but you keep playing the old tired "but what about the republicans" card.
THEY SUCK!!!!
i am not now nor have i ever said they were the answer..
you are arguing against that man of straw hard,because im sure as hell not suggesting the repubs are our friends.
im saying (once again) neither party is!
maybe this time it will pass through your wall of animosity..



boxer was one...
but again the argument that repubs are somehow better or worse is one of your own creation...
burn that scarecrow



no one is ignoring a damn thing!
both parties have their moral police and both are wrong.




who do you think my representatives are
How many watts does that crystal-ball consume?


it's good you dont "blame me for looking away"
because it would be pretty hard to blame me for something i dont do.
any lib who wants to quell personal freedom is not ok with me.
probably why i have never voted for a repub in my life.



Lang is impassioned and amazing when it comes to MMJ
did you notice a roll call of that vote?
it was far from partisan.
not so as you would notice but had it been as simple as red/blue IL would be a med state today.
but once again this whole red/blue argument is an obfuscatory construct


i had thought you were a disagreeable albeit somewhat educated type.
i realize the folly of assumption is my onus to bear in this regard.
your lack of understanding of the basic difference between V.I. states and non V.I. states displays the fact your just a poop flinger.
i thought i was conversing with someone with a basic understanding of civics..
sorry to have rattled your little left right cage..
the next meal should be along shortly. just wait patiently for the party to feed you your talking points.

the 24 V.I. states are the red ones huh?

Whatever dag. We'll just keep acknowledging that conservatives thwart reform, when and where it happens. I hate it for MT but the voters should take that kind of thing into consideration when conservatives are no strangers to this sort of stuff.