WA might ban MMJ doctors.

[Nirvana_Papaya]

Washington state has a bill that is looking like it might pass, with an amendment that is going to make it a lot harder to get a medical marijuana recommendation.

"EFFECT: Health care professionals may not have a practice with
the primary purpose of authorizing the medical use of cannabis. They
also may not include any statement or reference on the medical use of
cannabis in any advertisement for their business or practice. Health
care professionals who violate this section are subject to a
misdemeanor."

here is a link to the bill -

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=5073&year=2011

 

[pearlemae]

As those who are of a more conservative mind set are increasingly elected to office, we will see more of this type of action. States that have voted and approved MMJ, are looking for ways to curtail the will of the people/voters, by passing laws to make it harder for a person to get a card. So less cards, less users, and on down the line in the never ending battle for the rights of the people and MMJ.

 

[TB Gardens]

^^ yup

 

[GanjaPharma]

the amendment (5073-S2 AMS CARR S1945.1) by senator carrel (isnt that supermans kryptonian name?).
looks like it hasnt made it into the bill yet, but will be introduced on the floor.

carrel (no relation to superman) who sits on the health and long term care committee, was the jerkoff responsible
for the LAST bad amendment which was thankfully REMOVED. it would have required patients to visit a doctor 4 times a year, and had the doc repoting quarterly to the health dept (who could take the docs license if the decided there were too many scrips).

this guy has a single agenda. to poison this bill and morph it from "the bill that finally gives arrest protection for patients, and establishes licensed dispensaries and producers" into "the bill that killed MMJ in Washington state"

we need a few hundred patients to camp out in this guys office, or better yet show up at his next big photo op.

 

[HighDesertJoe]

I live in Calif on a Sunday they had a girl in a bikini on the street with a sign pointing to where your could get your doctor recommendation. Needless to say that business was chased out of town only to be opened up next town over minus the HOT girl in a motel room.

 

[igrowone]

this is an interesting legal issue
many doctors have specialties, standard medical practice
my understanding is the method of restricting doctors from a specialty is by a certification process, normally done by a medical board that oversees that specialty
so outlawing a specialty might be a legal stretch, curious how that might play out in the courts

 

[mrktwiz]

Looks like boo is going to get more expensive in WA.....

 

[Noobian]

It's Kal-el btw re: supaman

 

[Nirvana_Papaya]

the amendment (5073-S2 AMS CARR S1945.1) by senator carrel (isnt that supermans kryptonian name?).
looks like it hasnt made it into the bill yet, but will be introduced on the floor.

carrel (no relation to superman) who sits on the health and long term care committee, was the jerkoff responsible
for the LAST bad amendment which was thankfully REMOVED. it would have required patients to visit a doctor 4 times a year, and had the doc repoting quarterly to the health dept (who could take the docs license if the decided there were too many scrips).

this guy has a single agenda. to poison this bill and morph it from "the bill that finally gives arrest protection for patients, and establishes licensed dispensaries and producers" into "the bill that killed MMJ in Washington state"

we need a few hundred patients to camp out in this guys office, or better yet show up at his next big photo op.

Thanks for pointing that out, I thought it was weird that the amendment was added after it got set for a 2nd reading. Hopefully they don't allow it in.

 

[Nirvana_Papaya]

Carrel has been busy. Here is another amendment he wants to add.

"EFFECT: Valid documentation must be an original statement that
includes the proper form of cannabis consumption and dosage amounts for
the most effective treatment of the terminal or debilitating medical
condition."

 

[Nirvana_Papaya]

Okay, the amendment banning MMJ doctors has been pulled. Many other amendments have been put up, most are okay rules imo. I'll be reading the patient registry one in more detail.

EDIT: okay, the amendment banning mmj doctors has been suggested again with different wording by Carrel.

 

[GanjaPharma]

tvw . org

has the floor proceedings going on right now live
5073 is supposed to be on the calendar.

-----------ok well it passed in the senate. 29-20
some seriously fucked up amendments were adopted.
the 2 worst are:

EFFECT: Health care professionals may not have a practice with
the primary purpose of authorizing the medical use of cannabis.
They also may not include any statement or reference on the
medical use of cannabis in any advertisement for their business
or practice. Violation of these provisions constitutes
unprofessional conduct.

so i need to go find me a new doctor, since the guy on my insurance was scared to sign. and i had to goto thcf (with 5 years of records, mri, etc...)

and...

"NEW SECTION. Sec. 704. A licensed dispenser may not sell
cannabis in any city, county, or town without first being authorized
to do so by the city, county, or town legislative authority."
EFFECT: Requires licensed dispensers to be approved by a city,
county, or town before selling cannabis in that city, county, or
town.

which means that every single operating dispensary , is ILLEGAL unless the municipality says otherwise.
what happens if they decide not to do anything? drag their feet? wait and see?
this is a very bad one.

now we have to see if any of this changes when the senate bill is reconciled with the house bill. i need a spliff.

 

[Nirvana_Papaya]

Thats some BS. I'll have to find a new doctor too then. Most normal doctors won't recommend it because they are afraid to lose their job or get arrested. It's not like the clinic I went to wasn't following the law. Everyone that got approved had conditions that qualified them. Carrel is a dick.

 

[David762]

You are too kind to describe them as "conservatives".

You are too kind to describe them as "conservatives".

As those who are of a more conservative mind set are increasingly elected to office, we will see more of this type of action. States that have voted and approved MMJ, are looking for ways to curtail the will of the people/voters, by passing laws to make it harder for a person to get a card. So less cards, less users, and on down the line in the never ending battle for the rights of the people and MMJ.

You are too kind to describe them as "conservatives" -- they're fascists. Real conservatives would support States' Rights, as well as a maximum of rights, liberties, and freedom of each person, with absolute minimal intrusion by the government. The same holds true for business regulations, including the tilting of the "free market" in favor of crony corporations through special interest tax incentives and other corporate welfare.

OTOH, fascism can be defined as preferential government treatment of favored corporate interests, to the benefit of those corporate interests instead of all the citizens under that government's dominion. "Private profit and socialized risk" is one of their maxims. The USA stopped being a constitutional republic infused with small "d" democratic principles about the same time as the rise to power of the Military Industrial Complex and the National Intelligence infrastructure, at the close of World War 2. Over the course of the past 40+ years that trend has been greatly accelerating -- highlighted by the assassinations of JFK, MLK, RFK, the Vietnam Conflict, and Nixon's War on Drugs.

 

[hempluvr]

Good thing I just got a new one.....on another note that shit ain`t gonna work

 

[xaraph]

5073 passed, Now they're waiting on the companion House Bill.

Some pretty sweeping changes with a lot of amended text. I don't have time to read through it all, but it looks like there's a fairly unified effort at the political level to make this happen.

 

[Nirvana_Papaya]

It passed the Senate with the amendment banning the MMJ doctors. I recommend people who got their's at a clinic, if they have to renew yearly, next time they go in (before this new law kicks in), to ask the doctor to make it so their recommendation never expires. This law does not invalidate your recommendation.

 

[love2gro]

You can not get a never- expiring reccomendation..lol..If your paying more for a "never-expiring" rec, your getting ripped off..You cant get a lifetime scrip of Oxy's can you? Also, if they pass the bill saying you cant have a clinic for reccomending mmj, they will most likely find a way around that by opening as an alternative meds clinic

 

[Nirvana_Papaya]

In Washington State there is no expiration required for recommendations. That is up to your clinic/doctor if they give you one. By law, a MMJ recommendation can last forever. If you can get them to give it to you without an expiration, then why not do it?

 

[love2gro]

Good luck with that holding up in court. Any doctor that reccomends meds to a patient and doesnt have a "follow Up" once a year is risking losing there license..I have crohn's disease, and get prescribed some regular anti-inflammatory meds. Every time i go to the doctor even though i tell him i am fine, he still makes a follow up appointment in 6 months to a year. A while ago he prescribed me some meds ( an immune suppressant), and it looked like i was going to be fine taking the meds after multiple blood tests and appointments to make sure..Had he not made that follow up appointment, he wouldnt have found out I became Anemic a few months later and who knows what would of happened? Point is, any doctor that cares to not lose his or her license would never give out a "lifetime" reccomendation because with all meds they need to have a "check-up" to make sure the meds are still "effective" and for addiction problems, especially with a controlled substance.Have fun when your doctor does not show up to defend you in court and is sitting at home smoking a blunt laughing about the money he made off of you and your "LIFETIME RECOMMENDATION" LOL