Large soilbed, no drain, reused soil, problems occurring

[GDK]

Hey peeps.
Im running a 1000 liter soilbed with soil that i am using for the 3rd grow now. I have been using Growdoc´s recipe, and have re-ammended at ½ strength after harvest , tho using more EWC than GD´s recipe. First grow was pretty nice, as was the second. But i have recently planted clones into the bed for the 3rd time, and after 10 days vegging, they look wrong. I have several strains in the same bed, and all are reacting different. The HappyBrother cuts are doing best, with just a tad of twisty leaves and a slight pale look to them. The White cuts are looking slightly droopy, with purpling of stems and a dry feel to the fans. The starfunk plants are acting like the white, but with a little spotting on the leaves. The niterider plants are looking like they need calmag...Now heres the recipe used:
Per 100 liters/2 bags
60 gram seaweed meal
60 gram bone meal
120 gram blood meal
80 gram Guano Peru
40 gram lime
3 liter worm casting
12 liter Perlite
I fear that the lime has accumulated and are now throwing off the ph, but a slurry test with ph paper says that soil ph are around 6,5. Pics will be added later today. Any idea whats going on?

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[GDK]

Heres a cpl of pics.

Notice the retarded new growth on these Starfunk plants.

Happy brother plants lookin the best of the bunch(still not great).

Niterider plants lookin like its calmag def?

Hope yall can help me out..

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Quoted from my thread in the infirmary.

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[Scrappy4]

I have no experience with cal deficiencies, but I would venture you have a mag deficiency and possibly a N deficiency. The leaf twisting, and some color loss, and possibly the red in the stems looks like mag, the burnt leaf tips look like N. Lucky for you both are fairly easy to correct............scrappy

 

[mad librettist]

transplant shock.


just a guess.

 

[GDK]

Thanks for the replies guys...I deffo believe it to be mag def, and possible p def as well. But im not sure at all. Tranplant shock i dont believe tho...roots were not stressed in any way. I rootprune all my mothers vigilant when i transplant, and it never shows any of these sypmtoms.

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[statusquo]

Thanks for the replies guys...I deffo believe it to be mag def, and possible p def as well. But im not sure at all. Tranplant shock i dont believe tho...roots were not stressed in any way. I rootprune all my mothers vigilant when i transplant, and it never shows any of these sypmtoms.

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Ya I was thinking P def on those upper plants too. What do you think is the issue with those niterider plants? I'm referring specifically to the strange texture of the leafs not the discoloration.

 

[jaykush]

EWC slurry to the rescue!

 

[David762]

GDK, how long did you let the soil "rest" after adding the amendments to your used soil? Whatever deficiencies your plants are showing may be a temporary condition. Feed your girls some extra Cal-Mag liquid supplements at 1/2 strength, along with some new "microherd". You didn't state what type of H2O you were using -- try distilled H2O for these liquid supplements. You may be experiencing some seasonal shift in pH & EC if you're using tap/well H2O, or your RO system may need servicing.

BTW: I like your large soil-bed implementation -- all you are missing is some mulch and worms ...

 

[mad librettist]

the reason I thought transplant shock was it looks like the bed is directly on slab? Is it winter or summer where you are?

 

[GDK]

Ya I was thinking P def on those upper plants too. What do you think is the issue with those niterider plants? I'm referring specifically to the strange texture of the leafs not the discoloration.

Yea the purple petioles on the SourKush, but evenmore the brown spots on the Starfunk fans leads me to this. The Niterider cut has very distinct leaves, and that is what you see...maybe a small reaction to hot soil, but it is miniscule.

EWC slurry to the rescue!

Jay my man!! You know what..if you say so, then thats what ima do..I havent ever seen one piece of bad advice from you brother..

GDK, how long did you let the soil "rest" after adding the amendments to your used soil? Whatever deficiencies your plants are showing may be a temporary condition. Feed your girls some extra Cal-Mag liquid supplements at 1/2 strength, along with some new "microherd". You didn't state what type of H2O you were using -- try distilled H2O for these liquid supplements. You may be experiencing some seasonal shift in pH & EC if you're using tap/well H2O, or your RO system may need servicing.

BTW: I like your large soil-bed implementation -- all you are missing is some mulch and worms ...

Hey Dave. The soil was left to cook for 3 weeks. And yes im starting to believe its temporary..ill get to why. And yes, Cal-Mag will be fed in form of hard water combined with epsom salt. Im also spraying a kelp tea today. My water is tap, from one of the best water supplies here in Denmark...they use sand filters, and no chlorine whatsoever. Its also the hardest water in the country tho, and the ph is around 8-8½. I was just recently informed about the seasonal changes, and will look into that. Thanks for the props on the bed man....actually i found several healthy looking worms in there, when these girls was transplanted..made me pretty happy as i take it as a sign of healthy soil.

the reason I thought transplant shock was it looks like the bed is directly on slab? Is it winter or summer where you are?

Hey Mad. Its winter and a pretty damn cold one too. If "on slab" means directly onto the concrete floor, then no. I insulated the bottom with 150mm styrofoam insulation under the tarp lining.

Now...i think i may have solved the problem. And its pretty embarrasing if im right. But i believe the problem might have been underwatering resulting in unavailability of nutes. I watered very lightly until yesterday, with ph adjusted water. Mistake! Yesterday i watered with about 100 liters of plain water, and girls are already lookin way better today. Tomorrow ill water in some ewc/kelp and hope for the best. Ill definately keep you guys posted....your help is invaluable!!

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[mad librettist]

Large soilbed, no drain, reused soil, problems occurring

sweet!

I am having trouble picturing applying 100 liters indoors. it's massive!


really cool project bro, much respect.

 

[MrFista]

EWC slurry! or compost tea from EWC.

Yeah watch the lime bro. Love your bed. Take a gander at the biochar sticky when you got time it could be what you seek if you want to tweak, some mulch would really help your girls too.

 

[mad librettist]

some mulch would really help your girls too.

straw would look nice in there.

anyone know if clover would be a disaster? you can get these really tiny clovers that cover ground but never get big.

 

[guest2012y]

EWC slurry to the rescue!

I'd empty a 40 lb bag on that and maybe even part of a second bag. 3 days after a good water in they'd be stoked.

 

[GDK]

EWC slurry! or compost tea from EWC.

Yeah watch the lime bro. Love your bed. Take a gander at the biochar sticky when you got time it could be what you seek if you want to tweak, some mulch would really help your girls too.

Yea i have been lookin into it..gotta read up some more tho. Definately looks interesting.

straw would look nice in there.

anyone know if clover would be a disaster? you can get these really tiny clovers that cover ground but never get big.

I have actually been thinking of straw, but im worried id bring bugs into the garden.

I'd empty a 40 lb bag on that and maybe even part of a second bag. 3 days after a good water in they'd be stoked.

I dropped 120 lbs into the bed with the meals and guanos before planting...i could top dress some more, but ill try the teas for now. I have a strong feeling that water was really all that was needed, and perhaps some mag.

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[Hank Hemp]

Why do you grow like this? You've put a lot of hard work into this and it looks great. Isn't it hard to rework your soil? I've reused soil in the past and I always dumped into a pile and added some ewc and ferts and repotted. Your bed seem hard to work with is it?

 

[mad librettist]

I have actually been thinking of straw, but im worried id bring bugs into the garden.


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something like mainely mulch (heat treated chopped hay and straw)

 

[FreedomFarmer]

second that on getting heat treated + chopped straw, less treated straws could have bugs and lots of seeds too!


Quick question for the slurry masters..... approximately how much water to EWC do y'all use and waht kind of consistency am i looking for? Also how thick of a layer to apply when using it??

 

[GDK]

Why do you grow like this? You've put a lot of hard work into this and it looks great. Isn't it hard to rework your soil? I've reused soil in the past and I always dumped into a pile and added some ewc and ferts and repotted. Your bed seem hard to work with is it?

Hey Hank. Well i grow like this because i feel that its the closest i get to replicating mother nature indoors. I love the whole idea of having a whole living ecosystem of my own, even tho im still just scratching the surface of the organic world. Actully its very low maitenance as i hardly use teas, but mostly just plain water. When i reammend its kinda like you did..just that i have it all in a large container. After harvest i clean out the dead roots as good as i can and re-ammend..mix thoroughly and let it cook before planting again. I actually have living worms in there. So no..its actually not that hard at all.

something like mainely mulch (heat treated chopped hay and straw)

I have been searching for it here, and its available. I was thinking i could use some pure wood pellets maybe..whatcha think?

second that on getting heat treated + chopped straw, less treated straws could have bugs and lots of seeds too!


Quick question for the slurry masters..... approximately how much water to EWC do y'all use and waht kind of consistency am i looking for? Also how thick of a layer to apply when using it??

Just what i was about to ask.

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[mad librettist]

I have been searching for it here, and its available. I was thinking i could use some pure wood pellets maybe..whatcha think?

save the wood pellets for your asparagus bed. annuals get hay and straw, that's what they need, and when you have it, trimmings from your plants. For feeding fungi, use woody growth from your plants, but cut it up so that you give bacteria a chance.

To favor fungi: lignin and cellulose, above ground, big chunks.
to favor bacteria: fleshy stuff, buried, small pieces