Lady Gaga: "I Smoke a Lot of Pot"

[Greyskull]

nope not chump change at all... but it's certainly not the top earner nor does it equate to originality
... like I said, it's a persona formula that makes money in the industry ... not talent.

With the right persona formula and aimed at the correct buying demographic you don't even have to be to person who actually sang/recorded the song/album in the studio to go platinum. Think that can't be true?
haha
go Google "Milli Vanilli" ...

"Girl you know it's true " ... uh, uh, uh they fooled you!


Get real guys, Why is it that "video killed the radio star"?


...the formula.

the formula is worthless without the 'talent' to back it up though
whether the 'talent' is just looks, dance moves, whatever,,,,

shit, the 'formula' and 'talent' are worthless unless you also have a support team brokering your deals, marketing your 'whatever it is', and basically putting up the $$$ needed to allow the puppet to make the investors' even richer.

wasnt she #4 on Forbes list for 2010?

 

[WasntMe]

wasnt she #4 on Forbes list for 2010?

nope ..... but she was in the top 10 for musicians ... #7

 

[Greyskull]

sorry
it was 4th most powerful celebrity in 2010 according to Forbes

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/16...ah-top-forbes-2010-celebrity-power-list.jhtml

my bad

The singer, who launched her latest iteration of her never-ending Monster Ball Tour in Montreal on Monday night, debuts on the list this year at #4. She landed there thanks to high marks for her Web visibility (#1 on the list) and a $62 million haul between June 2009 and June 2010, $31 million of which came from touring (after a gross of $95 million), with much of the rest courtesy of deals with Virgin Mobile, Polaroid, Monster Cable and MAC.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Maybe what I saw was first in crazy costumes...

Thanks for the info, WM and Gs.

 

[dagnabit]

peaking at #1 on the Billboard 200.The album spent 16 weeks on the charts, and sold eleven million copies

the above "artist" was a high earner in 1990 their album debuted at number one and their annual earnings were the highest in their genera that year.

sales and earnings does not equal talent..
just ask 'ol rob vanwinkle

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Y'all wanna see some farkin' tallant?

Y'all wanna see some farkin' tallant?

Check out Reggie Watts on Conan, (seeings believing.) You can watch him a couple of times and pick up stuff missed the first time around.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/17/conan-reggie-watts-sings-_n_824728.html

He's a damn genius as well as a black man so our gaga haters won't feel it necessary to defy "talent" logic.

 

[Space Toker]

I don't care what she did or did not do, as far as I am concerned she is a talentless waste of skin, air and space. There are not many people that I wished never existed, she is one of them, she annoys me that much!

 

[WasntMe]

Check out Reggie Watts on Conan, (seeings believing.) You can watch him a couple of times and pick up stuff missed the first time around.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/17/conan-reggie-watts-sings-_n_824728.html

He's a damn genius as well as a black man so our gaga haters won't feel it necessary to defy "talent" logic.

haha that is funny

 

[VerdantGreen]

nope not chump change at all... but it's certainly not the top earner nor does it equate to originality
... like I said, it's a persona formula that makes money in the industry ... not talent.

With the right persona formula and aimed at the correct buying demographic you don't even have to be to person who actually sang/recorded the song/album in the studio to go platinum. Think that can't be true?
haha
go Google "Milli Vanilli" ...

"Girl you know it's true " ... uh, uh, uh they fooled you!


Get real guys, Why is it that "video killed the radio star"?


...the formula.

really that is BS, yes hype and marketing etc do play a part but in the case of singer songwriters you need talent as well.

and in the male dominated music biz if you've got a female who isnt massively attractive being successful - you can bet shes got a LOT of talent to get noticed over and above the sexy pinup popstar girls.

milli vanilli - not a valid comparison in the slightest. they were eye candy chosen to front someone else's pop songs.

VG

 

[Stoned Coder]

Here is a video of Stefani performing at NYU in a talent show before she became lady gaga. Hmm I wonder if she had kept this look and style.... would so many people in this thread call her an untalented man?

Her music is certainly not my cup of tea, and I don't dig the funky outfits, but I can't deny she's a talented chick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM51qOpwcIM

 

[Madrus Rose]

She puts the rumor to bed here , that shes just a "well endowed boy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxHTtNWdAns&feature=related

then admits using "pot slang" she does have a: "ReaL BiG dONKEY dICK"

( the Brits sure still go crazy with the phony laugh-tracks on their talk shows )


* This Christopher Walken sit down wry performance/ reading of Poker Face lyrics
on BBC is definitely funny ....BBC audience loves it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJDx3H_hvI8&feature=relmfu

 

[WasntMe]

really that is BS, yes hype and marketing etc do play a part but in the case of singer songwriters you need talent as well.

and in the male dominated music biz if you've got a female who isnt massively attractive being successful - you can bet shes got a LOT of talent to get noticed over and above the sexy pinup popstar girls.

milli vanilli - not a valid comparison in the slightest. they were eye candy chosen to front someone else's pop songs.

VG

VG,
I was not directly comparing Gaga to Milli Vanilli ... I was just pointing out the simple fact that neither record sales nor $$$ equate to talent, as people keep inferring in this thread. I was also showing that if properly marketed, a formula star, need not even be able to sing to become a multi platinum singer. These days, Formulas and Marketing are far more important in that industry then talent. (I personally think it's sad that it has evolved into that.)

... but that's a fact Jack, regardless of what you choose to believe.
-WasntMe

 

[CANNATOPIA]

She smokes alot of pot?.......didn't know that...

I do know that she wears alot of meat though.....

* maybe her next hit could be called 'Stoner Face?'.....

lol

 

[VerdantGreen]

VG,
I was not directly comparing Gaga to Milli Vanilli ... I was just pointing out the simple fact that neither record sales nor $$$ equate to talent, as people keep inferring in this thread. I was also showing that if properly marketed, a formula star, need not even be able to sing to become a multi platinum singer. These days, Formulas and Marketing are far more important in that industry then talent. (I personally think it's sad that it has evolved into that.)

... but that's a fact Jack, regardless of what you choose to believe.
-WasntMe

actually you'll find that you also need talent, especially if you are writing your own songs. major labels dont take that many risks. they let the smaller labels and artists do that. they generally sign people that are already successful on a smaller label or who have a live following from gigging - i.e. talent. then they spend all the money on marketing etc knowing that the artist has already proved themselves. they would prefer to lay down a big advance for a tried and tested act than give a small advance for a nobody with potential.
really, if you have watched the youtube posted by stoned coder a few posts back and you are still claiming gaga has no talent then you not being objective. no tricks there and she has a good voice and can play piano well. just playing an instrument and singing at the same time is very difficult and requires a fair bit of talent in itself. you really cant refute that.

These days, Formulas and Marketing are far more important in that industry then talent

dont get me wrong, the above statement is true up to a point in making hit records, but you still need the talent as well - especially if you arent a pin-up, and the argument that this thread has turned into is whether gaga has talent or not - which she clearly has whether you like her music or not.

VG

 

[dagnabit]

actually you'll find that you also need talent, especially if you are writing your own songs. major labels dont take that many risks. they let the smaller labels and artists do that. they generally sign people that are already successful on a smaller label or who have a live following from gigging - i.e. talent. then they spend all the money on marketing etc knowing that the artist has already proved themselves. they would prefer to lay down a big advance for a tried and tested act than give a small advance for a nobody with potential.
really, if you have watched the youtube posted by stoned coder a few posts back and you are still claiming gaga has no talent then you not being objective. no tricks there and she has a good voice and can play piano well. just playing an instrument and singing at the same time is very difficult and requires a fair bit of talent in itself. you really cant refute that.



dont get me wrong, the above statement is true up to a point in making hit records, but you still need the talent as well - especially if you arent a pin-up, and the argument that this thread has turned into is whether gaga has talent or not - which she clearly has whether you like her music or not.

VG

i've got talent too!!!
i can tie a cherry stem with my tongue!
i also play a mean drum kit.
maybe if i tape back my balls and make myself a freakshow ill get a contract?
new kids/gaga are equal in talent..
did you know that jordan can play piano and donnie can act!!!!!
NKOTB is not talent it's marketing as with Mr. Gaga

 

[PistilPete]

I pretended to like the new kids so i could bang a girl when i was in the 8th grade.

 

[VerdantGreen]

maybe if i tape back my balls and make myself a freakshow ill get a contract?
new kids/gaga are equal in talent..
did you know that jordan can play piano and donnie can act!!!!!
NKOTB is not talent it's marketing as with Mr. Gaga

maybe if you are a good singer songwriter as well

NKOTB didnt write their own material (maybe a bit of it later on in their careers) so again a poor comparison - but when they held the auditions for NKOTB they would have still picked kids with some singing and dancing talent - im sure there were plenty of wannabees there.

VG

 

[WasntMe]

dont get me wrong, the above statement is true up to a point in making hit records, but you still need the talent as well - especially if you arent a pin-up, and the argument that this thread has turned into is whether gaga has talent or not - which she clearly has whether you like her music or not.

VG

VG, I think you maybe missing my point.

regardless if she has talent or not (as being argued by some in this thread) ... the examples of $$$ and sales DO NOT equal talent. They are separate entities. Personal $$$ and record sale numbers = quality marketing, and PR... nothing more. So these should not be preached or used as arguments of whether she has talent or not. These are irrelevant to the subject of talent.

my personal beliefs concerning her musical "talents" don't change that.


Also, how can you even type "NKOTB" without recognizing the supreme $$ making joke of the boy band formula ... let's see if I remember it...
(they should have 4.14 members, the mean age should be 19, approximately one will be married, one rumoured to be gay, one pin-up material and 1.14 boy-next-door)
... sound familiar?

this thread is truly hysterical.

 

[VerdantGreen]

VG, I think you maybe missing my point.

regardless if she has talent or not (as being argued by some in this thread) ... the examples of $$$ and sales DO NOT equal talent. They are separate entities. Personal $$$ and record sale numbers = quality marketing, and PR... nothing more. So these should not be preached or used as arguments of whether she has talent or not. These are irrelevant to the subject of talent.

my personal beliefs concerning her musical "talents" don't change that.

again, i agree with some of what you say, but its not black and white a you see it. talent, marketing and PR all go towards making a consistent stream of hit records. you MAY get a one hit wonder with little talent if they have had huge promotion or are already famous for something else. but consistency takes talent as well as PR, marketing etc. and above all lots of hard work - many people forget about the hard work too.

VG

 

[WasntMe]

Hard work is true... and that I think is what people are sometimes confusing with talent in this thread. It also seems to be a common confusion in society too.

It takes hard work to learn to play the piano ... not talent.... dedication and practice = hard work. Talent can bring hard work to the next level, extraordinary. But the simple act of a learned motor skill does not mean talent.

I have not one doubt that every single person in this thread could, 100%, learn to play the piano with a good level of skill IF they decided to dedicate the time to learning the skill ....skills are learned. Playing piano, writing music and singing are just as much skills as are using a chisel, baking a cake or snowboarding. Anyone can learn a skill ... it just takes hard work ... practice practice practice.

Talented people can take a learned skill to another extraordinarily level that is awe inspiring to others that are skilled.

And taking that into consideration is were I draw my OPINIONs about a talent level of someone.


so when it comes to record labels signing an artist they tend to find people that have put the time in to polish their skills already as opposed to training someone from scratch ... but it doesn't mean they worry about picking someone talented.