Committing suicide...

[#1cheesebuds]

I totaly agree wit ya man.. life is cool, even though sometimes it really blows.

but what blows even more is that you'd be ripping ur familys harts apart for ever.
my WHOLE family be super megga sad for the rest of there lifes.
And I love my life & family way way too much to ever do it to em.

+ I look forword to each new day & that it could be a great one.
and also IM really looken forword to the future in science and technology and growing my green medicine.
+ I couldn't ever live with out my 2 cats & a weener dog.

this is a really great thread BTW.

 

[Strainhunter]

im pretty sure they just want to secure themselves and their
familys security in heaven.
its more of a reward i think they believe?

edited;

We do NOT want to have a political discussion here or this thread won't last much longer.

However if you Google "rewarding suicide bomber" you'll be surprised what that search comes back with.

Let's just leave the above by that on here.

 

[Weird]

its a part and parcel of life

my father, my great uncle and two of my first cousins successfully committed suicide (all with at least one doctor in their immediate family), not to mention others including one of my peers from treatment

i was so manic depressant that at age 15 i was given a prognosis of 6 months till permanent institutionalization or death, I had already spent a year institutionalized

needless to say im still here

if ANYONE in this world can appreciate the devastation of mental disease, behavioral disorders and addiction it is I

it took a couple decades past that to get my shit together and marijuana was pivotal in my rehabilitation

I would not be here if it were not for the miracle that was marijuana on the infirmaries of the mind body and spirit that other medicines cant seem to heal

 

[Weird]

really what is the zen diagnosis of suicide?

the delusion that there is NOTHING one can do to effect the outcome of the future in a positive manner what so ever

there is no logic reward to life anymore

whether it is born from a bias of our emotions (inconsolable sorrow) or our logic (jumping from a burning building) it is the net result of our lives being perceived as less than worthy

my natural bio-chemical disposition for depression was so great as a child that it was not until much later life when I was going through withdrawal from a real intense opiate addiction and suffering the subsequent depression and anxiety born of that withdrawal that I realized that these were the baseline emotions throughout my childhood

in fact weed is so fucking kind i dont feel i NEED to smoke as much as I simply enjoy the benefits, after all it has done for me, it hasn't been a master but a teacher

i really feel i am testimony to it being the ultimate medicine and probably the one reason i still am involved, to know what i found might possible find another like me

 

[Madrus Rose]

The suicide of this 15yr old Irish girl Phoebe Prince back in Massachusettes after she was bullied & tormented mercilessly by a team of "Bad Girls" she had become a target, for just briefly dating a popular football star...really raised my wrath .

She wasn't prepared for the kind of heightened verbal abuse & threats
being newly arrived from a small village in Ireland ...
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...new_girl_driven_to_suicide_by_teenage_cy.html

"School's 'new girl' driven to suicide by cyber bullies "

"The bullying, for her, became intolerable."

Students said Phoebe was called "Irish slut" and "whore" on Twitter, Craigslist, Facebook and Formspring.Her books were routinely knocked out of her hands, items were flung at her, her face was scribbled out of photographs on the school walls, and threatening text messages were sent to her cell phone. Scheibel said she had drawn the ire of the "Mean Girls" by briefly dating a popular senior football player in her first freshman weeks at the school. One student later said it felt like the whole school ganged up on her.

On Jan. 14, after mos of torment , Phoebe was harassed and threatened in the school library and in a hallway, Scheibel said. As she walked home, one of the "Mean Girls" drove by and threw a can of Red Bull at her.Phoebe walked into her house and hung herself in a stairwell. The nastiness didn't even end there. Her tormentors posted vicious comments on the dead girl's Facebook memorial page. (after her death)

For months, community anger simmered that no punishment had befallen Phoebe's bullies. Petitions were signed and town hall meetings held. Scheibel said her investigators were taking the time to investigate thoroughly, and she slammed "the inexplicable lack of cooperation from Internet service providers, in particular Facebook and Craigslist."

just makes you want to cry .....was she just weak cause she couldn't just 'chin up' ?

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I just lost a friend to suicide.

You cannot say whether or not they thought it worth it.

You can impress your own beliefs all over their actions.

All I know is nobody makes it out alive.

Judge, postulate, and theorize as you like.

 

[Weird]

I just lost a friend to suicide.

sorry for your loss

You cannot say whether or not they thought it worth it.

i am willing to bet at the time they took their life they PERCEIVED there was nothing to live for WHETHER it was born from the emotional part of the brain or the region where higher level thought is processed

the feeling could have been neurologically or chemically induced but the perception is the same

obviously you did not share the same perception and I all too well can identify with that pain

there is reconciliatory healing to be had although time is a huge element

You can impress your own beliefs all over their actions.

as he did with yours, but do not take it as a reflection of his action as a reflection of anyone elses

suicide is really something unique to our species because of the dynamics of our mind and is consequence of human conscience

All I know is nobody makes it out alive.

Judge, postulate, and theorize as you like.

i judge no one

having lost my father among others and KNOWING the state they were in since i drank from the same "emotional fountain" i will,share my very real experience on the matter

as I shared I was inpatient for a year by 15 for the same tenancies
the lives of those who have come before me are like books with stories to tell including my own.

having actually found a lasting serenity coupled with knowing how difficult it is to fight out of a self damning depression its important to share that there is hope in light of a seemingly hopeless situation

it is very easy for people who simply dont understand to get frustrated and give up

HOW THE FUCK YOU THINK IT FELT when my father reached out to me and I KNOWING HOW IT FEELS didn't get the message?

it took a few years to get past that one but there was indeed a relativity and something to be learned from it

the living are not to serve the dead but the dead are to serve the living

just because some one you loved did not find hope does not mean someone living who feels the same way should not try to find hope for themselves

once again very sorry for your loss i hope you find a way to turn it around

one of my very close friends OD'd recently and when i was able to turn it around not only did it bring me comfort but it seemed to brings honor since i was able to embrace those memories and the spirit of them within in me

 

[mean mr.mustard]

just because some one you loved did not find hope does not mean someone living who feels the same way should not try to find hope for themselves

I definitely agree.

I thank you for your condolences but I am one of those really weird people that think life is a ride.

I'd never talk anybody into or out of anything they wanted to do... regardless of my take on the matter.

Life's a garden... dig it?

If one would like to check out I would tend more often than not to think it would be at one's disadvantage.

There are also certain circumstances that may alter my perception on that.

By no means should you take my last post (or this one really) personally.

:friends:

 

[Hazy Lady]

Suicide is a cowards way of dealing with life.......The most selfish act one can commit....fuck how you feel about yourself....the impact you have on those that love it eternal damage....Man the Fuck Up Cousin

Did you write this for effect?

 

[OsWiZzLe]

Did you write this for effect?

Seems like you sure did....save the hand motion for Pinocchios Nose

 

[Hazy Lady]

Seems like you sure did....save the hand motion for Pinocchios Nose

You win, you're far too witty and learned for me to joust with you.

 

[Unclepeter]

My Grandad didn't....he had a stroke in his early 70's and a fine, strong man was reduced to a part paralyzed gimp in a wheel-chair who could only say a handful of words because the stroke had affected his brain so......and there he sat for 10 years cared for by his wife till she couldn't cope any more and then my Mother....With loosing his mind he lost his dignity and independence and as his body atrophied, I could see the pain and anger in his face....and the tears would roll down it as he suffered greatly for the last 10 years of his life......there was no joy.

hit a cord there... my grandad more or less brought me up, he had a stroke when I was 14 left him paralyzed etc pretty much like you have described here... it was horrible to see him like that and had a profound effect on my life, seeing someone I admired so much left fucked.. I was with him one day.. a few months after this when there was just me and him in the room... he was staring at me and muttered the words "I want out" obviously he couldn't do it himself nor could my nan... this has stayed with me forever and has me shaking as i write it.. some will say that was selfish of him to do to me and to a degree I agree.. just wish there was another way... for me theres clear different situations with regard to suicide.. some are cowards others arent.. jeez i've known too many!

Suicide is a cowards way of dealing with life.......The most selfish act one can commit....fuck how you feel about yourself....the impact you have on those that love it eternal damage....Man the Fuck Up Cousin

Saw you get a few neg req's for this, but I agree to an extent... IMO terminally ill and those like my grandad need a better way to deal with it... like those that are depressed need help for that.. like I have said above i have known many that have killed themselves, many due to them not wanting to deal with something, nothing more nothing less.. the damage that is done to those left behind is truly horrific... IMO you will see more and more going this way mental health is the biggest prob we will see in the coming years...

 

[mosstrooper]

I know all of these things and never implied something different.

Then i apologise. The thread though was intended to be a reflection on why so many young people with so much to look forward to (seemingly) would see fit to commit suicide.

 

[mosstrooper]

Something i have been thinking though is, if you grow up in a very affluent household, and you have had lots of nice times, and lots of nice things by the time you are 16-18-20 then you are cast out into to the meritocratic world, you actually are looking down a dark tunnel in many respects, you go from being looked after, well cared for, materially satisfied, to having to make your own decisions, having less money, having more responsibility, possibly struggling to find employment, or a home. The transition between being a child/teenager, to being an adult in the real harsh world that is out there im sure is hard for many young people.

I found it to be very much so when i was 16 and leaving home, nowadays it must be 10x harder.

 

[statusquo]

Then i apologise. The thread though was intended to be a reflection on why so many young people with so much to look forward to (seemingly) would see fit to commit suicide.

No worries, I apologize for being curt. It wasn't clear that I knew these things and they are certainly important facts and relevant to the conversation and many other peoples. I think the second part of my previous post addresses the main point of the thread. What are your thoughts?

 

[Unclepeter]

Well, no, 30 isnt old at all, but you are hardly just out of your teenage years at 30

but ya rested ya case on it!

AGE 30 i rest my case.

 

[mosstrooper]

but ya rested ya case on it!

Yes, i did, and i do, people who die by their own hand at the age of 30 are definitely not teenage suicides.

i made a new Thread so we can have this stupid debate without ruining (though we may have already done this) Strainhunters thoughtful thread.

 

[Unclepeter]

Yes, i did, and i do, people who die by their own hand at the age of 30 are definitely not teenage suicides.

i made a new Thread so we can have this stupid debate with ruining (though we may have already done this) Strainhunters thoughtful thread.

I wouldn't worry the mods will delete as they see fit!

 

[cheesey]

I wouldn't worry the mods will delete as they see fit!

only took 5 mins after reporting . good job too . thanks to what mod deleted .

 

[mosstrooper]

Me either, i suspect strongly Cheesy got one line into my first post on that thread and then made his mind up about what my intention was, he cant possibly have read it, or considered my motivation im sure, he even gave me some neg rep, NICE!!

So i gave him some positive, cos im a positive kind of guy.