Thomkal Vwalaa
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this guy right here... I'll let you hide out anytime, all the hash you can smoke and then some
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Monsanto's Really needs to be STOPPED HELP
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this guy right here... I'll let you hide out anytime, all the hash you can smoke and then some
mosstrooper
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Test grows in Uk are done in secret now i think, i often look at those uniform rows of corn and wonder if its a gm trial.
mostnonymouse
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electrolytes ftw.
That's bullshit. You obviously don't have any connection to today's reality.
Sigh. And here is the conclusion of your "solid" science.
"So, it was clear that the investigations of B&E and mine were quite different and both researches were incomplete."
That does not pass for science that calls for the ban of anything. But I already know you are a liar since you lied about the cost of bell peppers as if you even know.
You fucking hippies in search of a cause wouldn't even know what science was if you tripped over it.
So one thing is clear. You folks don't want to eat GM food. So don't. Buy your shit at Whole Foods and you'll be happier, but poorer and you will not live any longer. But you'll feel good about yourself. Like driving a Prius. Charging that battery each and every night with a coal produced energy.
Sigh. Idiots.
Science is worried about GMO's so you just sign them off?
Then you call distribution science.... I'm not sure how in touch with reality you are.
You don't understand how my peppers are cheaper than a restaurant's? Your grapes are much cheaper for you than they are on Walmart's shelf. Fuck Whole Foods along with your Walmart.
Be aware that I'm not in search of a cause. I've already been fighting this one for a long time now.
I do know what science is... I'm looking at plenty you won't even acknowledge. Let's see some of yours with certainty written into how GMO's are not dangerous.
Call me a liar all you want but peppers aren't expensive right here and that's not going to change... at least not nearly as fast as your rates change.
Thomkal Vwalaa
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yeah, produce from mexico has quadrupled. but my CSA stays the same. so does all the farmers market "gear".
grape... please dude, just unsub
WasntMe
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Discovery magazine recently did an update article on how weeds are now becoming resistant to Roundup anyways and Monsanto's reaction. Supposedly Monsanto's answer to this is they are now trying to genetically modify Veg to be resistant to a more varied range of pesticides hoping that a variety combination of poisonous chemicals can be used by farmers ...
... and why don't the politicians involved realize the end will be the same result..... dead top soil w/ superweeds.
$$$$
lol...so silly.
Discovery Magazine March 2001 pg18 "Rise of the Superweeds"
here is a link to more similar info on Discovery's blog site:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/8...dup-ready-crops-roundup-resistant-superweeds/
... and why don't the politicians involved realize the end will be the same result..... dead top soil w/ superweeds.
$$$$
lol...so silly.
Discovery Magazine March 2001 pg18 "Rise of the Superweeds"
here is a link to more similar info on Discovery's blog site:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/8...dup-ready-crops-roundup-resistant-superweeds/
Ahhh. so there we have it. "Science is worried about GM", as you say. OK then. As I said before, much of that worry comes not from science based observations, but from small farmers and farmer's unions, who would like to keep things as they are and stay in business. I can totally understand that. I want to stay in business also (BTW, I grow absolutely NO GM modified crops). But farming cannot stand still as each day more and more people need to eat.
Anyway, as green science is desperately looking for reasons to pin bad things on GM, and therefore ban their use, we currently have, at BEST, unsettled science.
Sorta like our idiot in chief banning all US firms from drilling in the gulf of mexico while all foreign firms have never stopped drilling.
That kind of decision making is just agenda driven and has nothing to do with science.
You are ignorant of the fact that most all folks that show up at farmer's markets just buy their products from farmers like myself. Less then 5% actually do any farming. The farmer's market sellers are just low end distributors that have a small percentage of customers that believe in the fantasy. The prior day, these "farmer's market folks" were at our back door buying our #2 product so you folks can think it was really organic or grown locally on some idyllic farm located somewhere in your imagination.
med_breeder
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Wal-Mart to the rescue?
Wal-Mart is the largest seller of organic produce in America.
Monsanto may continue suing farmers who "Steal" their intelectual property (i.e GMO seeds, carried by wind that happen to land and grow on a farmer's land.)
But eventually they will start screwing with Wal-Mart's suppilers.
Monsanto may be a very powerfull company,
But do they have the stones to tangle with Wally?
I wouldn't.
Wal-Mart is the largest seller of organic produce in America.
Monsanto may continue suing farmers who "Steal" their intelectual property (i.e GMO seeds, carried by wind that happen to land and grow on a farmer's land.)
But eventually they will start screwing with Wal-Mart's suppilers.
Monsanto may be a very powerfull company,
But do they have the stones to tangle with Wally?
I wouldn't.
Thomkal Vwalaa
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you are insulting as well as trolling. and wrong. WE known who are local farmers and who are the douche bags reselling such as yourself. It's pretty obvious by the dirty face and hands. You are so delusional I've figured out that you really are convinced GMOs are good. Still waiting for you to start your own thread. unsub or STFU
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And what are you gonna do when this farmer is bankrupt thanks to Monsanto, because a truck lost some Monsanto seeds and grew on his land, you go back to supermarket then to buy your veg & fruits.
Durood Bar Shoma
Monsanto Forbes Company of the Year 2010
Monsanto Forbes Company of the Year 2010
While this is true lets look at the case in Canada. A farmer who had monsanto seed for a canola crop lived next to a farmer who went from his own seed stock. Farmer 1 had the wind blow some of the seed from the Monsanto corn blow into farmer 2's land. Seed grew. Monsanto sent out the Monsanto police force they maintain worldwide for control of their seed. Monsanto found that some of their product was now growing in farmer 2's land. Monsanto sued farmer 2 for his whole crop And won!! Even though the seed was transferred by mother earth through natural processes Monsanto was able to win this court case--in Canada of all places. Who would have thunk it Here is an exerpt:
"In my case, I never had anything to do with Monsanto, outside of buying chemicals. I never signed a contract," Schmeiser says. At the end of the first suit, Schmeiser says he will pursue a second lawsuit he filed last fall against Monsanto for contaminating his seed.
"If I would go to St. Louis and contaminate their plots--destroy what they have worked on for 40 years--I think I would be put in jail and the key thrown away," Schmeiser says.
The Federal Court of Canada issued their judgment in the case of Monsanto vs Schmeiser Enterprises over the technology use fee for Round Up Ready canola on March 29, 2001. Justice Andrew McKay upheld the validity of Monsanto's patented gene which it inserts into canola varieties to make them resistant to their herbicide Round Up.
McKay dismissed Schmeiser's challenge to the patent based on the claim Monsanto could not control how the gene was dispersed through the countryside.
In a key part of the ruling, the judge agreed a farmer can generally own the seeds or plants grown on his land if they blow in or are carried there by pollen -- but the judge says this is not true in the case of genetically modified seed.
It was that part of the ruling that most upsets Percy Schmeiser. The implications are wide ranging and Schmeiser has launched an appeal that was heard on May 15 & 16, 2002 in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. The Federal Court of Appeal subsequently rejected Schmeiser's appeal. Schmeiser then asked for leave from Canada's Supreme Court to hear the case. Leave was granted in May 2003 and the case was heard on January 20, 2004.
The Supreme Court issued their decision in May 2004 and one can view the decision as a draw. The Court determined that Monsanto's patent is valid, but Schmeiser is not forced to pay Monsanto anything as he did not profit from the presence of Roundup Ready canola in his fields. This issue started with Monsanto demanding Schmeiser pay the $15/acre technology fee and in the end, Schmeiser did not have to pay. The Schmeiser family and supporters are pleased with this decision, however disappointed that the other areas of appeal were not overturned.
How about their patent on pig breeding that is the same process that has been used since Roman times. Basically if you breed pigs on the Earth you are violating Monsantos patent.
As of February 2005, Monsanto has patent claims on breeding techniques for pigs which would grant them ownership of any pigs born of such techniques and their related herds. Greenpeace claims Monsanto is trying to claim ownership on ordinary breeding techniques.[12] Monsanto claims that the patent is a defensive measure to track animals from its system. They furthermore claim their patented method uses a specialized insemination device that requires less sperm than is typically needed.[13]
In 2006, the Public Patent Foundation filed requests with the United States Patent and Trademark Office to revoke four patents that Monsanto has used in patent lawsuits against farmers. In the first round of reexamination, claims in all four patents were rejected by the Patent Office in four separate rulings dating from February through July 2007.[14] Monsanto has since filed responses in the reexaminations.
In October 2008, the company's Canadian division, Monsanto Canada Inc., was named one of Canada's Top 100 Employers by Mediacorp Canada Inc., and was featured in Maclean's newsmagazine. Later that month, Monsanto Canada Inc. was also named one of Manitoba's Top Employers, which was announced by the Winnipeg Free Press newspaper.[15]
In January 2010, Monsanto was named company of the year by Forbes.
Just sayin
Monsanto Forbes Company of the Year 2010
While this is true lets look at the case in Canada. A farmer who had monsanto seed for a canola crop lived next to a farmer who went from his own seed stock. Farmer 1 had the wind blow some of the seed from the Monsanto corn blow into farmer 2's land. Seed grew. Monsanto sent out the Monsanto police force they maintain worldwide for control of their seed. Monsanto found that some of their product was now growing in farmer 2's land. Monsanto sued farmer 2 for his whole crop And won!! Even though the seed was transferred by mother earth through natural processes Monsanto was able to win this court case--in Canada of all places. Who would have thunk it Here is an exerpt:
"In my case, I never had anything to do with Monsanto, outside of buying chemicals. I never signed a contract," Schmeiser says. At the end of the first suit, Schmeiser says he will pursue a second lawsuit he filed last fall against Monsanto for contaminating his seed.
"If I would go to St. Louis and contaminate their plots--destroy what they have worked on for 40 years--I think I would be put in jail and the key thrown away," Schmeiser says.
The Federal Court of Canada issued their judgment in the case of Monsanto vs Schmeiser Enterprises over the technology use fee for Round Up Ready canola on March 29, 2001. Justice Andrew McKay upheld the validity of Monsanto's patented gene which it inserts into canola varieties to make them resistant to their herbicide Round Up.
McKay dismissed Schmeiser's challenge to the patent based on the claim Monsanto could not control how the gene was dispersed through the countryside.
In a key part of the ruling, the judge agreed a farmer can generally own the seeds or plants grown on his land if they blow in or are carried there by pollen -- but the judge says this is not true in the case of genetically modified seed.
It was that part of the ruling that most upsets Percy Schmeiser. The implications are wide ranging and Schmeiser has launched an appeal that was heard on May 15 & 16, 2002 in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. The Federal Court of Appeal subsequently rejected Schmeiser's appeal. Schmeiser then asked for leave from Canada's Supreme Court to hear the case. Leave was granted in May 2003 and the case was heard on January 20, 2004.
The Supreme Court issued their decision in May 2004 and one can view the decision as a draw. The Court determined that Monsanto's patent is valid, but Schmeiser is not forced to pay Monsanto anything as he did not profit from the presence of Roundup Ready canola in his fields. This issue started with Monsanto demanding Schmeiser pay the $15/acre technology fee and in the end, Schmeiser did not have to pay. The Schmeiser family and supporters are pleased with this decision, however disappointed that the other areas of appeal were not overturned.
How about their patent on pig breeding that is the same process that has been used since Roman times. Basically if you breed pigs on the Earth you are violating Monsantos patent.
As of February 2005, Monsanto has patent claims on breeding techniques for pigs which would grant them ownership of any pigs born of such techniques and their related herds. Greenpeace claims Monsanto is trying to claim ownership on ordinary breeding techniques.[12] Monsanto claims that the patent is a defensive measure to track animals from its system. They furthermore claim their patented method uses a specialized insemination device that requires less sperm than is typically needed.[13]
In 2006, the Public Patent Foundation filed requests with the United States Patent and Trademark Office to revoke four patents that Monsanto has used in patent lawsuits against farmers. In the first round of reexamination, claims in all four patents were rejected by the Patent Office in four separate rulings dating from February through July 2007.[14] Monsanto has since filed responses in the reexaminations.
In October 2008, the company's Canadian division, Monsanto Canada Inc., was named one of Canada's Top 100 Employers by Mediacorp Canada Inc., and was featured in Maclean's newsmagazine. Later that month, Monsanto Canada Inc. was also named one of Manitoba's Top Employers, which was announced by the Winnipeg Free Press newspaper.[15]
In January 2010, Monsanto was named company of the year by Forbes.
Just sayin
Thomkal Vwalaa
Member
I just wanted to thank oldpink, or whomever moved this thread out of the science subforum.
ditto. I'm surprised it's not locked. Should I put up more pics of small biodynamic farms, lol
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