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bombadil.360

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elmanito, i am not defending monsanto or crappy agricultural practices, just pointing out the fact that cuba is by no means any sort of enlightened society, much less any sort of role model, nor anything anyone could learn anything from, unless what you want to learn is what not to do...

fuck cuba basically.

ok, i stop ranting now
 
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elmanito

elmanito, i am not defending monsanto or crappy agricultural practices, just pointing out the fact that cuba is by no means any sort of enlightened society, much less any sort of role model, nor anything anyone could learn anything from, unless what you want to learn is what not to do...

Fidel castro and his gang are a bunch of schmucks like any other government.The only interest they have is money.They are addicted to it, so companies like Monsanto can wave with their big bucks so their head (governments) will move the other way for their practices like in Anniston,Alabama.

Namaste :plant grow: :canabis:
 

Microbeman

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sorry, but cuba is a shit-hole where people are under-nourished.

been there, done that...

say, you wanna plant a crop in the field next to your neighborhood in cuba? sorry, but no can do, it is illegal.

wake up and smell the coffee... oh wait, not everyone gets to drink coffee in cuba... you need a hook-up from the government to give you a ticket to trade in for coffee... most people get tickets for meat, beans and rice, if they are lucky...

Cuba was given as an example of a place where large scale natural growing was successful.

In China farmers can only have one or two children

In the USA I cannot plant a crop unless my land is zoned for planting...it is illegal

In most states of the USA, as a farmer, I must pay a tax to the government every year on the equipment and land which I own...hard to imagine such socialism

In the USA, the poor are given tickets (stamps) to go get food and certain items cannot be purchased with those tickets

In the USA many people cannot go to the specialist of their choice (as they can north of the USA) and must go see a particular group of doctors....huh? What's up with that?

Sorry for going off topic but some points need to be made for those blinded by their country's propaganda.
 

headband 707

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so many misconceptions, Cuba has a sustainable food system?, elimination of chemical fertilizer/pesticide/herbacide a good thing? organically grown better for health? Nothing is as it seems. OK heres some info about cuba,

"On October 28, 2000, U.S. President Bill Clinton signed the Trade Sanctions Reform and Export Enhancement Act (TSRA) which allowed U.S. firms to sell food and agricultural products to Cuba and other countries. However, the Cuban government did not purchase any of these products until December of 2001 following the devastating damage caused by Hurricane Michelle to important agricultural areas in November of that year.

Cuban purchases from U.S. firms amounted to $4.319 million in 2001, $138.635 million in 2002, and $256.9 million in 2003. Cuba became the 35th most important food and agricultural export market for the United States in 2003, up from last (226th) in 2000. Actual purchases and pending contracts in the first-half of 2004 are at a pace to move Cuba into the top 20 most important markets of U.S. food and agricultural exports. Furthermore, because current U.S. legislation requires that all Cuban purchases from the United States must be conducted on a cash basis, the lack of credit risk associated with these sales makes Cuba one of the most attractive export markets for U.S. firms."

elimination of chemical fertilizer/pesticide/herbacide a good thing? wow goodbye modern agriculture, ever heaar of the green revolution?

organically grown better for health? not even gonna touch that one because it's already debunked, but another misconception is that organic agriculture is better for the environment, which isn't necessarily true either. Sure it can be, but when farmers are subjected to real life situations, where yeilds per acre are imperative, overuse tends to become the norm, and products like copper sulfide, pyrethrums, and worst of all, uncomposted manure are used in toxic levels.

#1 Cuba is doing very well with their organic gro
#2 you do know what pesticides do right? You do know it gets in our ground water and kills mammals right?
#3 who the fuck would ever defend pesticides/herbicides if you have actually worked with them?????? I would suggest you google pesticides/herbicides and then get back to me lol.. Peace out Headband707:tiphat:
 
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As with most threads they usually deteriorate over time and pretty much become useless. Thx to those who contributed about the thread topic and related issues. Yeah threads wander a bit but this one is way off track now.
 

Microbeman

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As with most threads they usually deteriorate over time and pretty much become useless. Thx to those who contributed about the thread topic and related issues. Yeah threads wander a bit but this one is way off track now.

Sorry about that but at least we got the often neglected science articles earlier in the thread which discuss the microbial disruption in the soil from roundup use.
 
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Another story to read

IRAQ: CPA Order 81 Is Even Worse Than Originally Reported

What a break for U.S. corporations, such as Monsanto. The important information about Iraqi Order 81 is that it was designed to have a major impact on the way farming is done in Iraq. This order prohibits Iraqi farmers from using saving seeds from one year to the next.

by Rosemarie Jackowski, Media Monitors Network
August 12th, 2005

On August 8, 2005 Reuters reported that the Iraqi seed supply is at risk. Below is an excerpt from the Reuters report.

"... The war in Iraq destroyed the country's seed industry, putting the country's domestic food supply at risk, the United Nations food agency said on Monday as it appealed for aid to rebuild farming.

The Food and Agriculture Organisation said it needed $5.4 million to help the agriculture ministry rebuild a seed industry destroyed by the fighting and looting.

"Iraq had a relatively stable and functioning public-sector-controlled seed industry before the war in 2003. After the war, research and seed production facilities have greatly deteriorated," FAO said in a statement.

Iraq can now cover only 4 percent of its demand for quality seeds from its own resources....

If no immediate action is taken, serious seed shortages can be expected in the near future, threatening the country's food security...."

How convenient...perfect timing. What a break for U.S. corporations, such as Monsanto. First outlaw the seeds and then destroy them, or did it happen the other way around. Were the seeds destroyed first and then outlawed? This news story has thus far received very little attention.

The news story about the Iraqi Orders has been virtually ignored by the U.S. press. Order 81 is just one of 100 Orders that have been imposed on the people of Iraq by the U.S. government. These orders are sometimes referred to as the Bremmer Orders. No one in the U.S. or Iraq was ever allowed to cast a vote in the ballot box for any of these Orders. This says a lot about the kind of democracy that the U.S. is imposing on the people of Iraq.

The important information about Iraqi Order 81 is that it was designed to have a major impact on the way farming is done in Iraq. This order prohibits Iraqi farmers from using the methods of agriculture that they have used for centuries. The practice of saving seeds from one year to the next is now illegal in Iraq. Order 81 wages war on Iraqi farmers. They have lost the freedom to choose their own methods of agriculture. The legalese in which the orders are written creates confusion about their exact meaning, but the desired result is obvious. Order 81 prohibits the farmers from using their own seeds, on their own farms, to grow their own crops.

Prior to the U.S. invasion, agriculture in Iraq was flourishing. The Fertile Crescent had developed a system of farming that was the envy of the world. Now, under Occupation, centuries of progress have been destroyed, almost overnight.

The food chain has been under worldwide assault by U.S. corporations for some time now. The Master Race of corporations has seized control of the very essence of life itself. We are now in the age of Genetically Modified Doomsday Seeds. The USDA was complicit in the development of these bastard seeds.

This is not a new phenomenon. It has been a gradual takeover. Remember Percy Schmeiser, the Canadian farmer, who was sued by Monsanto? Not enough people stood up for Percey, so then they came for other farmers. In fact, Monsanto has sued so many farmers that a national hotline (1-888-FARMHLP) has now been set up to assist them.

Is it possible that Iraqi farmers think back fondly to the good old days before the Occupation and before Order 81? Even Saddam Hussein allowed them to save seeds for the next year’s crop. Is the Pentagon a worse master than Saddam?

Farmers and consumers around the world need to stand in solidarity with the farmers and consumers in Iraq. There is no one who contributes more to society than the farmer. At the top of that hierarchy is the organic farmer. Doctors, lawyers, plumbers, and factory workers make important contributions to society, but none would survive without the farmer.

Why did the U.S. destroy the seeds? Did the Pentagon mistake the seeds for bombs and WMD's? Think of that as a headline for tomorrow's paper, "CIA confuses pomegranate seeds with WMD's." This sounds like a comedy "headline" from the Leno show. If the survival of thousands of people was not an issue, we could all laugh at the absurdity of this saga. The propagandists will try to convince the world that the destruction of the Iraqi seeds was just a mistake, an accident of war...collateral damage. Iraqi Order 81 proves otherwise. Iraqi Order 81 is proof that the U.S. had a strategic plan which would insure that U.S. corporations would not have to compete with the Iraqi farmers. U.S. corporations don't like competition. The idea of free markets is just a myth. The Predatory Capitalism of the U.S. could not survive without the threat of the military behind it.

Can it be denied that U.S. corporations are seeking total control of the food supply of the planet? After all of the seeds that are owned by farmers are destroyed, it will be necessary for the farmers to purchase them. Those most likely to profiteer are U.S. seed companies. General Smedley Butler was right. War is still a racket.

Imagine what would happen if there was a successful worldwide movement of resistance, an international Save the Seed Campaign. A source in Australia reports that a seed bank has been set up there. Every other nation must heed this warning and set up secure seed banks. It is not known what the U.S. government will do to eliminate this competition to U.S. seed corporations. Will the countries that institute seed banks be on a Pentagon hit list? Another possibility will be a covert CIA operation.

The U.S. policy of using food as a weapon of war shows a depraved, mind numbing level of cruelty. This has been referred to as the Ultimate War Crime. It is one of the most serious Crimes Against Humanity of our generation.

There is a hidden tragedy in this seed destruction policy of the U.S. The U.S. has not only endangered the entire population of Iraq but it has also shot each of its own citizens in the foot. Maybe it has rendered a fatal shot to our children and future generations. No one will ever know if any of the seeds, that have been destroyed during our war and occupation, would have produced plants that could have been used to prevent or cure disease. The seeds that have been lost can never be replaced.

Someday, in the distant future, maybe we will become more civilized. Then we will have monuments to honor farmers. We will have parades in celebration of farm workers. The era of glorification of war will just be a fading memory.source
 
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Denmark to monitor glyphosate in drinking water

ENDS Europe
Monday 24 January 2011


Danish environment minister Karen Ellemann has announced that drinking water quality checks in Denmark will now be extended from 23 to 32 substances including glyphosate, the most widely used herbicide in the member state.

http://www.endseurope.com/25438

Namaste :plant grow: :canabis:
 

cyat

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deep stuff elmanito.
the new food safety act in the u.s has implementation of the codex alimentarius written into it.
 

StRa

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thanks to elmanito for this 3d!!!

WikiLeaks: US Ambassador Planned ‘Retaliation’ Against France over Ban on Monsanto GMO Corn

Posted on December 22, 2010 by geobear7| 3 Comments
Craig Stapleton, former US Ambassador to France

By Mike Ludwig
t r u t h o u t
The former United States ambassador to France suggested “moving to retaliation” against France and the European Union (EU) in late 2007 to fight a French ban on Monsanto’s genetically modified (GM) corn and changes in European policy toward biotech crops, according to a cable released by WikiLeaks on Sunday.
Former Ambassador Craig Stapleton was concerned about France’s decision to suspend cultivation of Monsanto’s MON-810 corn and warned that a new French environmental review standard could spread anti-biotech policy across the EU.
“Country team Paris recommends that we calibrate a target retaliation list that causes some pain across the EU since this is a collective responsibility, but that also focuses in part on the worst culprits,” Stapleton wrote to diplomatic colleagues.
President George W. Bush appointed Stapleton as ambassador to France in 2005, and in 2009, Stapleton left the office and became an owner of the St. Louis Cardinals baseball team. Bush and Stapleton co-owned the Texas Rangers during the 1990s.
Monsanto is based in St. Louis.
The EU’s 1998 approval of MON-810 corn has since expired. In recent years, several European countries joined France in banning MON-810 and similar biotech crops while the products are reassessed in light of research showing they could harm the environment and human health.
It is not clear if Stapleton’s retaliation scheme was ever implemented.
“In our view, Europe is moving backwards not forwards on this issue with France playing a leading role, along with Austria, Italy and even the Commission … Moving to retaliation will make clear that the current path has real costs to EU interests and could help strengthen European pro-biotech voices,” Stapleton wrote.
MON-810 is engineered to excrete the Bt toxin, which is poisonous to some insect pests. A stacked version of MON-810 is also engineered to be resistant to glyphosate, an herbicide first popularized by Monsanto under the brand name Roundup.
The debate in France over Monsanto’s GM products has grown ugly in recent years.
A recent Truthout report detailed the story of Dr. Gilles-Eric Seralini, a scientist at the University of Caen in France. Seralini’s supporters claim the scientist has faced intimidation from within the French scientific community after he published several studies showing Monsanto GM corn and glyphosate posed risks to human health.
more info here:

http://blog.friendseat.com/wikileaks-cables-on-monsanto-gm-crops/
 
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GIS

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I remember seeing a documentary talking about how Monsanto will go out and search farmer's field and see if any of their patented genetics drifted in, or was dropped from passing trucks, and sprouted on their land. Then they sue the farmer for using their product without paying, it's a really messed up scam they have going on. Being able to patent self replicating biological life seems like it shouldn't be legal.
 

whodare

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I remember seeing a documentary talking about how Monsanto will go out and search farmer's field and see if any of their patented genetics drifted in, or was dropped from passing trucks, and sprouted on their land. Then they sue the farmer for using their product without paying, it's a really messed up scam they have going on. Being able to patent self replicating biological life seems like it shouldn't be legal.

thats what makes them such an evil company.

gm crops aren't the bad part its the company that uses patented gm crops to control food markets and put competition out of business through lengthy litigation.

if we operated in a true free market this wouldn't bee an issue but since these companies can have laws and regs written in their favor and have friends put in government offices we lose.
 

Budley Doright

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I grow a vast variety of fruit trees.... as well as numerous berries etc...

I should point out that virtually all were and a few still patented....

Those that are not patented I can propagate as I please....

Those patented I do not....

I have patented varieties because after 20 years patents run out......

then generic competition can do its thing....


I looked up the monsanto patent and it like all other patents has an expiration date...


and its rapidly approaching .....2014....


I dont know that much about the specifics but if farmers are using these patented genetics there are probably clear reasons they do so....


I bought a new strawberry for this spring(500)its called mara de bois.... french strawberry it has a fabulous rep as a truly great strawberry.....


the bad thing is its also patented which means I cant propagate it yet...

the good thing is the patent runs out this year.....


Thats the way these plant patent work.... if a company develops a new plant it can patent it under certain circumstances.... however in a maximum of 20 years it becomes one of the vast numbers of plants that are now open for competition.....



Almost every fruit plant I have is or was patented.....


but those great plants eventually go to the public domain....


The Honeycrisp apple was on patent until about 2 years ago....


I can make as many of them legally as I want now.....


Im planning on making about 80 new honeycrisp trees to sell this year....

perfectly legal.....

So too will monsantos patented soy beans....
 

mean mr.mustard

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This should make you children happy. Or piss you off.... no one can ever tell.
LOL

GM Alfalfa so we can use all the roundup we want all the time.... right over the top of the alfalfa. Sweet.

I am not a child. Neither are you. Good luck opening your mind.... and good luck changing anyone else's.

It's cool to not care.

You rock.

:yes:
 
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Global food security at risk as crop biodiversity is lost

Saturday, January 29, 2011 by: David Gutierrez, staff writer

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/031144_food_security_biodiversity.html#ixzz1CbEQlfaZ

Global food security may be in peril unless immediate measures are taken to stem the dramatic loss of genetic diversity among food crops and their wild relatives, according to a report by the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO).

It is largely the genetic diversity found in both cultivated and wild varieties of food crops that allows farmers and scientists to create new strains. In the face of a changing climate, the ability to develop crops that can resist drought, heat, salinity, disease and pests will only become more important. Yet according to the report, 75 percent of crop diversity has already been lost since 1900, as agribusiness focused on increasing the output of a few big cash crops and rare local varieties disappeared. Habitat destruction has wiped out wild relatives of food crops, and global warming is exacerbating those effects. By 2050, the report predicts, 22 percent of wild bean, peanut and potato relatives will be lost to climate change.

Brian O'Leary describes the situation in his book Reinheriting the Earth: "It is as if humankind is painting a picture of the next millennium with a shrinking palette -- the world will still be colored green, but in increasingly uniform and monocultured tones. One in eight species are immediately threatened. To make matters more challenging, the genetic diversity of food supply keeps decreasing. For the sake of improving agricultural efficiency, large centralized seed providers narrow the choices for farmers and raise the risk of major crops being wiped out by blights or bad weather."

The FAO report calls for an immediate effort to collect and study the remaining wild crop relatives and rare cultivars.

"The loss of biodiversity will have a major impact on the ability of humankind to feed itself in the future; all nine billion of us by 2050, with the poorest in the world most affected," the report warns.

Namaste :plant grow: :canabis:
 

grapeman

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Global food security at risk as crop biodiversity is lost

Saturday, January 29, 2011 by: David Gutierrez, staff writer

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/031144_food_security_biodiversity.html#ixzz1CbEQlfaZ

Global food security may be in peril unless immediate measures are taken to stem the dramatic loss of genetic diversity among food crops and their wild relatives, according to a report by the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO).

It is largely the genetic diversity found in both cultivated and wild varieties of food crops that allows farmers and scientists to create new strains. In the face of a changing climate, the ability to develop crops that can resist drought, heat, salinity, disease and pests will only become more important. Yet according to the report, 75 percent of crop diversity has already been lost since 1900, as agribusiness focused on increasing the output of a few big cash crops and rare local varieties disappeared. Habitat destruction has wiped out wild relatives of food crops, and global warming is exacerbating those effects. By 2050, the report predicts, 22 percent of wild bean, peanut and potato relatives will be lost to climate change.

Brian O'Leary describes the situation in his book Reinheriting the Earth: "It is as if humankind is painting a picture of the next millennium with a shrinking palette -- the world will still be colored green, but in increasingly uniform and monocultured tones. One in eight species are immediately threatened. To make matters more challenging, the genetic diversity of food supply keeps decreasing. For the sake of improving agricultural efficiency, large centralized seed providers narrow the choices for farmers and raise the risk of major crops being wiped out by blights or bad weather."

The FAO report calls for an immediate effort to collect and study the remaining wild crop relatives and rare cultivars.

"The loss of biodiversity will have a major impact on the ability of humankind to feed itself in the future; all nine billion of us by 2050, with the poorest in the world most affected," the report warns.

Namaste :plant grow: :canabis:

You lose any and all credibility when you quote anything from the U.N. as a reference.
 

DaPurps

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Monsanto is a real tragedy of a company. They are causing permanent negative effects around the world.

Order 81 is just insane and i can't believe it is still allowed.

Anyone ok with Monsanto, is not OK in my book.
 
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