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2012 Legalization Effort Starts

mean mr.mustard

I Pass Satellites
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Well I do support my local breweries and the local restaurant over the chain, but to not legalize weed simply because someone with more money will do a bigger grow than you is fucking ludacris.

Then why do you support smaller local businesses?

Your Levi's aren't made in the US.

They used to be made out of hemp.

Are hippies as "useless" as hemp?
 

BiG H3rB Tr3E

"No problem can be solved from the same level of c
Veteran
Then why do you support smaller local businesses?

Your Levi's aren't made in the US.

They used to be made out of hemp.

Are hippies as "useless" as hemp?

1. Be as a small business owner I like giving them my business and theybusually hav better product/service

2. I don't care where they are made $20 for jeans is fucking a deal

3. And we used to smoke weed out of a stone pipe....

4. I'm fairly certain you knew this answer before you asked the question
 

MadBuddhaAbuser

Kush, Sour Diesel, Puday boys
Veteran
From the office of drug control policy website.


Is information available on why marijuana remains an illegal substance?
The following resources provide information about marijuana and why it remains a controlled substance:

* Marijuana Legalization: A Bad Idea http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/pdf/mj_legal.pdf
* Legalization as a Non-Starter http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/news/press09/marijuana_legalization.pdf
* Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6376
* Medical Marijuana Fact Sheet http://www.ondcp.gov/drugfact/pdf/MedicalMarijuanFactSheet.pdf
* California City and County Listing of Illegal Store Front Ordinances http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/statelocal/California_listing.html
* Marijuana Myths & Facts: The Truth Behind 10 Popular Misperceptions http://www.ncjrs.gov/ondcppubs/publications/pdf/marijuana_myths_facts.pdf
* What Americans Need to Know About Marijuana http://www.ncjrs.gov/ondcppubs/publications/pdf/mj_rev.pdf
* Denial of Marijuana Rescheduling http://www.ondcp.gov/publications/pdf/fedreg041801.pdf
* The DEA Position on Marijuana http://www.justice.gov/dea/marijuana_position_july10.pdf

From the DEA Position on Marijuana-

The DEA and the federal government are not alone in viewing smoked marijuana as having no documented medical value. Voices in the medical community likewise do not accept smoked marijuana as medicine:
 

MadBuddhaAbuser

Kush, Sour Diesel, Puday boys
Veteran
Ok heres a FUCKING great one. from the DEA position also I think. page 8 on the PDF. And I saw ansligner mentioned back there, this one is straight out of REEFER MADNESS 2.

The legalization movement is not simply a harmless academic exercise. The mortal danger of thinking that marijuana is “medicine” was graphically illustrated by a story from California. In the spring of 2004, Irma Perez was “in the throes of her first experience with the drug Ecstasy… when, after taking one Ecstasy tablet, she became ill and told friends that she felt like she was…„going to die‟… Two teenage acquaintances did not seek medical care and instead tried to get Perez to smoke marijuana. When that failed due to her seizures, the friends tried to force-feed marijuana leaves to her, “apparently because [they] knew that drug is sometimes used to treat cancer patients.” Irma Perez lost consciousness and died a few days later when she was taken off life support. She was 14 years old
this cant be real right?
 

MadBuddhaAbuser

Kush, Sour Diesel, Puday boys
Veteran
*formatting nightmare. i tried to copy and paste and it looked like butt. so go read the de.a position, some crazy reasons why medical is a "ruse" for overall legalization. according to the de.a
 

BiG H3rB Tr3E

"No problem can be solved from the same level of c
Veteran
hahahha welcome to reefer madness 2k11.....

1 pill of ecstasy and some pot leafs killed this girl. it always some unsubstantiated bullshit like that....lets see the autopsy and see what a DOCTOR said the COD was.... i dont take any information from the DEA with any truth since they can never provide any real evidence or data to back up these ludacris stories.
 

igrowone

Well-known member
Veteran
forced feeding during a seizure? that was an interesting choice
this is their idea of implicating MJ as a cause of death? i think this is something less than a slam dunk
 
T

THE PABLOS

Of course you don't support me your hippies. The only thing you support is phish concerts and grilled cheese sandwiches

lol....ok man I see you. I actually came up 80's american hardcore scene....in a way it was kind of a hippy scene...maybe you remember homes? never seen me no fishes...allmans though...crowes...mule..hank111 hippy as i go.

Peace pot and micro dot my kindest brother....
 
Then why do you support smaller local businesses?
Your Levi's aren't made in the US.
They used to be made out of hemp.
Are hippies as "useless" as hemp?

lol MMM. I wear a lot of hemp clothes. Hemp in CA is something that I can pretty much blindly support, even large commercial farming of hemp. It's not like the small hemp farms are at risk. I think CA would pass a commercial hemp proposition if it were separate from recreational/commercial "drug type"* marijuana. Do you agree mmm...?

*not my term, but commonly used.
 

JJScorpio

Thunderstruck
ICMag Donor
Veteran
I'll ask this again..... Does anyone know the number of people in Cali with certificates?

To get an idea of the number there could be, there are 102 Walmarts in the State of Cal. There are over 2000 dispensories, lol......

Anyone got any idea?
 
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theJointedOne

im down with the bill if it stays true to what i just read on page 1, sorry i didnt want to read 16 pages of idiotic arguing on a otherwise informative thread. thanks to the op
 
I'll ask this again..... Does anyone know the number of people in Cali with certificates?

To get an idea of the number there could be, there are 102 Walmarts in the State of Cal. There are over 2000 dispensories, lol......

Anyone got any idea?
google found this:
http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=001199
Looks like at least 200K for California with recommendations to use medicinal cannabis.
And 575K for the country.
This was as of Jan 1 2009.
 
California Medical Marijuana

California Medical Marijuana

Ballot Proposition 215 (45 KB) -- Approved Nov. 5, 1996 by 56% of voters
Effective: Nov. 6, 1996
Removes state-level criminal penalties on the use, possession and cultivation of marijuana by patients who possess a "written or oral recommendation" from their physician that he or she "would benefit from medical marijuana." Patients diagnosed with any debilitating illness where the medical use of marijuana has been "deemed appropriate and has been recommended by a physician" are afforded legal protection under this act.
Approved Conditions: AIDS, anorexia, arthritis, cachexia, cancer, chronic pain, glaucoma, migraine, persistent muscle spasms, including spasms associated with multiple sclerosis, seizures, including seizures associated with epilepsy, severe nausea; Other chronic or persistent medical symptoms.

Amended: Senate Bill 420 (70 KB)
Effective: Jan. 1, 2004

Imposes statewide guidelines outlining how much medicinal marijuana patients may grow and possess.
Possession/Cultivation: Qualified patients and their primary caregivers may possess no more than eight ounces of dried marijuana and/or six mature (or 12 immature) marijuana plants. However, S.B. 420 allows patients to possess larger amounts of marijuana when recommended by a physician. The legislation also allows counties and municipalities to approve and/or maintain local ordinances permitting patients to possess larger quantities of medicinal pot than allowed under the new state guidelines.
S.B. 420 also grants implied legal protection to the state's medicinal marijuana dispensaries, stating, "Qualified patients, persons with valid identification cards, and the designated primary caregivers of qualified patients ... who associate within the state of California in order collectively or cooperatively to cultivate marijuana for medical purposes, shall not solely on the basis of that fact be subject to state criminal sanctions."

5: [Editor's Note: On Jan. 21, 2010, the California Supreme Court affirmed (S164830 (300 KB)) the May 22, 2008 Second District Court of Appeals ruling (50 KB) in the Kelly Case that the possession limits set by SB 420 violate the California constitution because the voter-approved Prop. 215 can only be amended by the voters.

ProCon.org contacted the California Medical Marijuana Program (MMP) on Dec. 6, 2010 to ask 1) how the ruling affected the implementation of the program, and 2) what instructions are given to patients regarding possession limits. A California Department of Public Health (CDPH) Office of Public Affairs representative wrote the following in a Dec. 7, 2010 email to ProCon.org: "The role of MMP under Senate Bill 420 is to implement the State Medical Marijuana ID Card Program in all California counties. CDPH does not oversee the amounts that a patient may possess or grow. When asked what a patient can possess, patients are referred to www.courtinfo.ca.gov, case S164830 which is the Kelly case, changing the amounts a patient can possess from 8 oz, 6 mature plants or 12 immature plants to 'the amount needed for a patient’s personal use.' MMP can only cite what the law says."

According to a Jan. 21, 2010 article titled "California Supreme Court Further Clarifies Medical Marijuana Laws," by Aaron Smith, California Policy Director at the Marijuana Policy Project, the impact of the ruling is that people growing more than 6 mature or 12 immature plants are still subject to arrest and prosecution, but they will be allowed to use a medical necessity defense in court.]

Attorney General's Guidelines:
On Aug. 25, 2008, California Attorney General Jerry Brown issued guidelines for law enforcement and medical marijuana patients to clarify the state's laws. Read more about the guidelines here.
 

mean mr.mustard

I Pass Satellites
Veteran
I think CA would pass a commercial hemp proposition if it were separate from recreational/commercial "drug type"* marijuana. Do you agree mmm...?

*not my term, but commonly used.

Absolutely.

Unless CA as an entire state think hemp is "just for hippies that make itchy clothes nobody wants to wear".

I'm suprised that bigotry is such a hot hat to wear for stoners.
 

BiG H3rB Tr3E

"No problem can be solved from the same level of c
Veteran
Absolutely.

Unless CA as an entire state think hemp is "just for hippies that make itchy clothes nobody wants to wear".

I'm suprised that bigotry is such a hot hat to wear for stoners.


Hahahahahaha feel free to quote me anytime. My position is always thevsame rather you ask me in 30 days or 30 years....

But seriously...hemp makes food I don't want to eat, clothes I would never wear, and gas I can't drive on, but none the less I support it's legalization of hemp because it's illegality is absurd.
 

kmk420kali

Freedom Fighter
Veteran
I'll ask this again..... Does anyone know the number of people in Cali with certificates?

To get an idea of the number there could be, there are 102 Walmarts in the State of Cal. There are over 2000 dispensories, lol......

Anyone got any idea?

There is no way to get a true number-- There is only a Record of those who get their State Card-- I am willing to bet that it is much, much higher than anybody expects tho--
Almost everybody I know, has a Rec....from 18 to 80!! :tiphat:
 

dagnabit

Game Bred
Veteran
Hahahahahaha feel free to quote me anytime. My position is always thevsame rather you ask me in 30 days or 30 years....

But seriously...hemp makes food I don't want to eat, clothes I would never wear, and gas I can't drive on, but none the less I support it's legalization of hemp because it's illegality is absurd.

makes nice rope and paper though...
 

dagnabit

Game Bred
Veteran
tastes like poop...
so does anything "gluten free"

but taste is mighty subjective and im a raw carnivore
 
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