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Posted per request :joint:

Well there is of course the original Sweet Tooth F1 hybrid of the SPG clone mother x DJ's BB male from the mid 90's, this leaned to the BB side of things in many phenos. This would be the original. Steve made these in Canada while supplying seeds to Marc Emery.

Some selection & backcrossing and such went on of the F1 to the SPG clone and these were sold as Sweet Tooth as well on Marc Emery's website but it noted they were a backcross (Bx1) to the SPG and not just an F1. Alot of people bought these back in the late 90's and know this as the first "Sweet Tooth". Then there was a Sweet Tooth Bx2 which was the third generation of the line that had been backcrossed now twice to the SPG clone. That was never really released for sale commercially but used for breeding by Steve. This was said to be a high yielding generation and very SPG dominant & consistent.

Then there is the very well known and now highly sought after Sweet Tooth #3 which was released in a large quantity by Spice of Life seeds back in the early 2000's. These came from Steve while he was doing huge seed grows in Switzerland and made some of the best genetic crosses that still exist today in the Cannabis world. This was the fourth generation of Sweet Tooth having been backcrossed once again (3 times total) to Steve's favorite SPG clone mother with a special Sweet Tooth Bx2 father that also makes up the male side of crosses like LUI, Blockhead, Blue Satellite 2, Tropicana, & others from that time frame. It was a true stud & proven to have championed some world class offspring!

Then there is the last & final version from Steve himself with the original father he used in Switzerland that came out in 2002-2003 in a much smaller quantity and that was Sweet Tooth #4 which was from an inbred line of the third generation Sweet Tooth (Bx2) line that Steve grew specifically to select for early flowering and high mold resistance since the Sweet Tooth #3 was a known mold magnet outdoors due to such dense colas. The female(s) he chose were then re-pollinated by the same proven Sweet Tooth Bx2 male that had fathered the Swt #3 to begin with to basically make as close to an IBL as you are gonna get at that fifth generation of seed. The Sweet Tooth #4 is more frosty and very SPG dominant as far as aroma's & structure go, much more like the SPG mother than anything else that he always had selected for trait wise in choosing parents because he loved the SPG so much. This strain is great for making hash thanks to the plentiful long stalked bulbous trichomes full of magic resins.

So in the end, the far more rare Sweet Tooth #4 is my favorite and it's totally covered in frosty white trichomes with a super sweet pink grapefruit rind acrid citrus aroma to the buds. It is not as chunky as the #3 as far as straight yield goes but it still has quite high yielding phenos for sure. It's far more suited to humid conditions without the mold issues the #3 can have. It is a great strain for hashmaking also and produces exquisite full melt bubble. The high is totally blissful and very positive with very low to no paranoia or fearful effects. The warm smiling buzz really does keep you happy & positive and the plants are simply beautiful with big Indica leaves and red/purple striped stems that smell like heaven. The medical effects are anti-depressant and anti-anxiety with excellent stress relief qualities perfect for a grower to smoke. This one is my all time favorite and was the final version released from Breeder Steve himself & made in Switzerland before SOL got raided by Swiss authorities.


The far newer Sweet Tooth 1.1 (or GF x BB, is the same exact strain) was basically a remake of the first F1 cross using the genuine SPG clone but with a newer & different "True Blueberry" male sourced from DJ Short. Chimera made these seeds for Spice of Life since Steve was no longer making seeds and people have had some great results with it yield wise but it's different than the originals and does not come from the same special Bx2 Swt father that comprised mostly all of the old SOL strains out of Switzerland. That does not mean it is not a good strain it's just different because of the newer BB male used and it is not backcrossed to the SPG at all.

So there you have it, that is what I know regarding the different Sweet Tooth's and their basic history. Keep it grapefruity! -SOTF420 :canabis:

Here is a nice pure Sweet Tooth #4 grown by Phillthy from special stock ;)

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solarz

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SOTF...on the cool, i would really like a clear cut answer, rather than the bleek (at best) answers that you have provided previously. You keep pumping sweet tooth into everyone brains, on EVERY post...but yet, you can never tell us any info on the release of the said strain. Now, i would like a clear cut answer....when is the "Sweet Tooth IBL" supposed to be dropping? And by what breeder/seed company? Now there is nothing wrong with you not knowing, but if that is the case...just say so. So do you think you could do that for me...since i asked nicely? I'm not flamming you, but you seem to be the resident sweet tooth advocate, continuously recommending the strain, even though it is not available anywhere. You also seem to know something about the release of this strain, but never seem to share any definitive answers about it. Now if you have in a post that i missed, i will gladly read it and retract my statement, but until then...

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mugenbao

SOTF...on the cool, i would really like a clear cut answer, rather than the bleek (at best) answers that you have provided previously. You keep pumping sweet tooth into everyone brains, on EVERY post...but yet, you can never tell us any info on the release of the said strain. Now, i would like a clear cut answer....when is the "Sweet Tooth IBL" supposed to be dropping? And by what breeder/seed company? Now there is nothing wrong with you not knowing, but if that is the case...just say so. So do you think you could do that for me...since i asked nicely? I'm not flamming you, but you seem to be the resident sweet tooth advocate, continuously recommending the strain, even though it is not available anywhere. You also seem to know something about the release of this strain, but never seem to share any definitive answers about it. Now if you have in a post that i missed, i will gladly read it and retract my statement, but until then...

solarz
Look in the Deluxe Seeds forum. The last I remember hearing, the breeder said he was waiting for room, nothing more specific than that (that I can remember). Sweet Tooth is by Spice of Life seeds, but Kootenay is currently doing the breeding, I believe, so Deluxe Seeds is where to get the news and updates.

I remember reading something about a hopeful December drop at some point, and I think there may have been an unexpected issue, but I am too busy at the moment to do all the searching for you, so I'll leave it at that.
 

solarz

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Look in the Deluxe Seeds forum. The last I remember hearing, the breeder said he was waiting for room, nothing more specific than that (that I can remember). Sweet Tooth is by Spice of Life seeds, but Kootenay is currently doing the breeding, I believe, so Deluxe Seeds is where to get the news and updates.

I remember reading something about a hopeful December drop at some point, and I think there may have been an unexpected issue, but I am too busy at the moment to do all the searching for you, so I'll leave it at that.

Its cool bro, i've read that....but i was under the impression that SOTF had some insider info, being that he is ST master and all...lol. But in that case, thanks for the info...and i'd like to reiterate, that i wasn't flamming SOTF...i was just wondering if there was some definite info around about the release. Thanks again bro.

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mugenbao

Its cool bro, i've read that....but i was under the impression that SOTF had some insider info, being that he is ST master and all...lol.
He surely knows more than I do, no question about that. If I remember correctly, he's been growing SWT since Breeder Steve first released it, lol.

I'm pretty anxious to get my hands on some SWT too :)

i was just wondering if there was some definite info around about the release

Seems there won't be any definite info until the release is imminent, which I guess I can understand. I do hope it's released soon, hehe.
 

SOTF420

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There may be more than just one version of Sweet Tooth being re-released and for now I will leave it at that. Everyone has been waiting for Kootenay, waiting, waiting, waiting. Plus he had the #3 seeds, and told me he was not working with any #4 versions.

The Bee Keeper, I think you are confused. The 1.1 or GF x BB is not the picture you quoted (that is Swt #4 from my stock) and if you actually read the post above you will see clearly at the end where I stated the 1.1 was made by Chimera and everyone already knows that boring story with the newer spin on it using a different blueberry male parent and not being backcrossed to the SPG at all like the originals. Very, very, very old news and so you know when I make reference to any "Sweet Tooth" I am referring to the original versions from SOL in Switzerland using the famous Swt Bx2 male that championed all the many now famous & highly sought after SOL seed lines. I have smoked the GF x BB a few times and it was nice and got me high but did not seem to have the certain magic the original versions have and was not nearly as sweet it was more spicy. This is most likely because the father is completely different, it's just the honest truth and not the real Toof. :canabis:
 
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Chimera has a different opnion it appears and neither you or I was there so honestly what do either of us know?I did clearly state that my post was not a attack on you in any way and I'm sure I read you said that steve did the breeding work which is incorrect and the reason for my post.From my extensive research I have learned that Steve actually did the advertising for sol and that breeders did the actuall breeding work with Steves input on selection.Your post may confuse people because you imply that Steve is the breeder and he is not even though his name is breeder steve.
 
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I care who made it,and I'm somebody.I never mentioned anything about what steve was doing with Emery.he very well may have been breeding but when SOL was started Steve was not doing the breeding as you confirmed.And I would like to see the credentials that makes you a expert on all these matters.Ive seen your posts and you come across as a know it all.nobody likes a know it all.
 

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I did not confirm what you stated, you are very confused . Breeder Steve does not breed now, he is retired so Chimera made a "remake" for them and he even call's it GF x BB because he is a smart man and knows it' not the original Sweet Tooth that STEVE made in Canada in the mid 90's that he sold originally through Marc Emery. (which later evolved into Swt #3, #4 and other strains in Switzerland) :biggrin:
 
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SOTF420

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I eat Sweet Pink Grapefruits for breakfast everyday and smoke some afterwards I can tell you that much. I don't claim to be an expert on everything SOL, just Sweet Tooth. :good:

Just asky Gypsy Nirvana what strain is in his top 3 ever next time you see him in chat. ;)
 

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Ok this thread has been cleaned-up some post's have been deleted and some edited if you have a problem with it then send me a PM and ill be more than happy to sort it out, As for the name calling, flaming and general rudeness it has to stop, Sure you can have a debate over who bred what but keep it civil, Cluttering members threads with arguments and slander is not constructive and only ruins it for others so please remember that...

Thanks,,,Benji...
 

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Thanks for all the great info on this strain guys!!! Wow. I grew out an original breeder pack of the SOL ST#3 when it came out, I had almost forgotten about it. I did make f2 seeds and I did a germ test last year and got 5/5, so I will have to resurrect these one day soon.

I got one blueberry-leaning pheno that was phenomenal, very different from the others. I called it the "spinach" pheno, because it had an unusual spinach taste. But it was very potent and had fantastic calyx-to-leaf ratio. Probably just a blueberry-type pheno, I think that was the female I used to make the seeds.

Definitely crazy vigor is the hallmark of this strain, I've never seen a plant grow faster in veg.
 

SOTF420

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Thanks for all the great info on this strain guys!!! Wow. I grew out an original breeder pack of the SOL ST#3 when it came out, I had almost forgotten about it. I did make f2 seeds and I did a germ test last year and got 5/5, so I will have to resurrect these one day soon.

I got one blueberry-leaning pheno that was phenomenal, very different from the others. I called it the "spinach" pheno, because it had an unusual spinach taste. But it was very potent and had fantastic calyx-to-leaf ratio. Probably just a blueberry-type pheno, I think that was the female I used to make the seeds.

Definitely crazy vigor is the hallmark of this strain, I've never seen a plant grow faster in veg.

Would love to see some pics when you run some of those F2 beans, agree on the vigor once those babies are rooted deeply there is no stopping the Sweet Toothyness! :blowbubbles:
 

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BCBD Sweet Tooth #3 --- Front row right and left back row middle

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Starting to bud

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Chimera

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Breeder Steve does not breed now, he is retired so Chimera made a "remake" for them and he even call's it GF x BB because he is a smart man and knows it' not the original Sweet Tooth that STEVE made in Canada ....

Interesting take. Based in a small degree of reality, but interesting!

The GF X BB were sold by Steve as Sweet Tooth 1.1 ..... so are in fact 'real tooth' seeds. It's amusing they were good enough to be included in the sweet tooth series, good enough for the owner of SOL to call Sweet Tooth, but that's not good enough for you. S'funny stuff indeed.

I don't call them Sweet Tooth to avoid hassles with unnammed unstable former seed producers. Whatever the name, the seeds are still the same, and folks who've hacked up 1:1 crosses and inbred versions of such would do well to consider incorporating GF X BB into their 'sweet tooth lines'.. half-sib crosses are the least contaminating way to widen a pool, and pull it out of some of the problems that have been created via inbred lines containing traits that haven't been purged - like the enhanced auto-flowering tendencies in the inbred sweet tooth lines.

-Chimera
 

RicoT

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Chimera's GFxBB bud shots. If I'm not mistaking the conversation taking place, and you indeed, have these genetics there are DEFINITELY keepers to be had! And these weren't even grown to their full potential as they soon will be! I really hope I find something similar to the phenos I grew, in the 5 beans that I have left, and will be popping the end of this month.:tiphat:








:chin: After rereading, maybe we aren't referring to the same gentics, but nonetheless these are some very nice ones.:tiphat:
 
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