2012 Legalization Effort Starts

[Rednick]

Try reading AB 390...
Please, tell me what you think. You asked what it would take to garner support...

Now on to Krunchbubble...What ever happpened to "I don't want Marijuana to be legal and don't give the slightest fuck what you think."?
Or "Medical only"

All I am saying people is that there are steps to Legalization (errr, I acquiesce, regulation). You don't know it yet in those non-med states, but legalization has a price...One way or another. Enjoy it while you can. Or keep bitching and miss the boat.

I am not saying either way to vote yes or no on this bill, I haven't read it (my state legislature keeps my nighttable full of reading material). Just don't let JJ or Dagnabit do your voting for you just because they are the loudest.

I had to get loud just to put things in perspective.
I am on FOX NEWS next week, with whats his name.

P.S. Yes we are emotional, we LIVE here. God help us if a Colorado Legalize thread comes up... Everyone and their mother will jump in to tell us HOW to VOTE. And then accuse us of being selfish bastards when we don't sign up with HB 10-1284 or 11-1043.

 

[igrowone]

in spite of the harsh arguments, there is still some glimmers of agreement
i saw very little opposition to expanding the right of the individual to grow their own(or kept silent anyways)
but how sales were to be managed, that is very different, the bitterness is from those discussions
19 had the noble purpose of giving local governance for managing cannabiz sales
it's not a bad notion, but most voters hate/mistrust their local officials as much as state ones
whatever the new wording, some more specific guidelines are needed for a real chance at passage
without them, fear of the worst possible interpretation will rule the day

 

[Rednick]

or end up like your other handle......

Proof that it is not that easy to trace an ISP address without the consent of the ISP.

Tinfoil hats off boys!

 

[dagnabit]

in spite of the harsh arguments, there is still some glimmers of agreement
i saw very little opposition to expanding the right of the individual to grow their own(or kept silent anyways)
but how sales were to be managed, that is very different, the bitterness is from those discussions
19 had the noble purpose of giving local governance for managing cannabiz sales
it's not a bad notion, but most voters hate/mistrust their local officials as much as state ones
whatever the new wording, some more specific guidelines are needed for a real chance at passage
without them, fear of the worst possible interpretation will rule the day

never understood that..
it is sooo much easier to affect change at the local level.
the more macro the harder it is to change.
dont like your city ordinance? its a hell of a lot easier to change than a state law!

 

[Rednick]

19 had the noble purpose of giving local governance for managing cannabiz sales
it's not a bad notion, but most voters hate/mistrust their local officials as much as state ones
whatever the new wording, some more specific guidelines are needed for a real chance at passage
without them, fear of the worst possible interpretation will rule the day

Reefer Madness!!!!
We are not trying to spread our fears Dagnabit, just trying to relate what we have seen in our states.
So far, people have seen the little guys (i.e. Us) fight amongst eachother for scraps.
Nothing makes the powers that be more happy.
It happened in Cali, is happening in Colo...
You wanna be next?

 

[dagnabit]

Try reading AB 390...
Please, tell me what you think. You asked what it would take to garner support...

liked it..
but i would also like a bill that simply reads "marijuana shall henceforth be regulated in the exact manner as lawn clippings. furthermore any person of whom dagnabit demands a blowjob is required to complete the task to the very best of their ability"
but i know that wont happen.
i guess i could hold out for it though.
i just like how you said you would not vote on the bill that has not even been written...
i think we see where you really stand.
if amaiano's bill were proposed in CO tomorrow. honestly.. you would vote no wouldnt you.
gotta protect the bottom line?
product cant compete in a real open market?

 

[igrowone]

never understood that..
it is sooo much easier to affect change at the local level.
the more macro the harder it is to change.
dont like your city ordinance? its a hell of a lot easier to change than a state law!

it's probably more of a perception, but there are plenty of corrupt local politics
sweet deals are cooked up for the right people
i don't see that changing, not just cannabiz, it affects many legit businesses
but it makes a great weakness for anti forces to fan the fear

 

[MadBuddhaAbuser]

I am not quite so sure that they would take my comments to heart:

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/snip
HOW WERE YOU INVOLVED WITH THE CAMPAIGN?
(X) On email list
Facebook supporter
Twitter follower
(X) Took action online
Volunteered offline
(X) Spoke with friends about Prop 19
(X) Made a donation

OVERALL, WHAT DO YOU FEEL WAS THE IMPACT OF OUR CAMPAIGN?
(X) Prop 19 moved the debate forward
( ) Prop 19 moved the debate backward
( ) Prop 19 neither moved the debate forward or backward

WHAT DO YOU FEEL THE CAMPAIGN DID WELL?
The campaign certainly brought the issue of re-legalization of cannabis to the forefront, not just in CA but world-wide. Kudos for that, at least.

WHAT COULD THE CAMPAIGN HAVE DONE BETTER?
Unfortunately the Prop 19 bill itself was well-intended but, IMHO, fatally flawed. And it's failure to pass at the voting booth has re-invigorated the repressive backlash to Prop 215 and SB 420 besides Prop 19, both at the State and Federal level. We are seeing the results with a dramatically increased number of raids by local, state, and Federal LEOs, as well as increasingly restrictive local regulations in every MMJ state.

The Prop 19 legislation needs to be completely overhauled. Some of it's major failures include: (1) a higher threshold of MMJ rights State-wide to fix gaping holes in Prop 215 and SB 420; (2) better protections for in-state MMJ growers, collectives, and dispensaries which represent the small Mom&Pop operations (who largely voted NO); (3) less restrictive area|canopy growing specifications than the 25 square foot in Prop 19; and (4) better public education regarding the long history of the Federal government's known fraudulent propaganda in spite of considerable scientific evidence to the contrary (La Guardia & Shafer Commission Reports, US Patent 6630507, the VA acceptance of MMJ, etcetera).

WHAT KINDS OF ISSUES SHOULD WE FOCUS ON OVER THE NEXT 12 MONTHS?
You need to focus on re-writing Prop 19, as well as widening those public education points, both noted above. The Feds (DEA etcetera) are vulnerable, because they ignore|disparage the truth while they continue to spew falsehoods.

DO YOU HAVE A PERSONAL STORY ABOUT HOW MARIJUANA PROHIBITION HAS SIGNIFICANTLY NEGATIVELY AFFECTED YOU AND YOUR FAMILY?
None, except that two family members by marriage have been denied the beneficial aspects of Medical Marijuana in the treatment of their medical ailments (cancers), all due to this insane prohibition of cannabis.


WOULD YOU SUPPORT A MOVEMENT TO CONTROL & TAX CANNABIS IN CALIFORNIA IN 2012?
( ) Yes!
( ) No
(X) We’ll see

ANY OTHER FEEDBACK?
That previous question regarding support of a movement to control & tax cannabis in California in 2012 is conditional upon those changes being made that I have expounded upon above.

Any future mobilization on legislation to legalize cannabis needs to fill in more of the gaps and grey areas that I have mentioned, instead of re-hashing legislation that could be seen by many as focused primarily upon the commercial interests of one person, Richard Lee, hero that he may be.

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Hey man. good job! thats a perfect eample of doing something to make a better law.is there a website you can access that from? maybe other CA people can check it out and throw in thier two cents.

There are so many people growing for profit in Cali that it doesn't matter what it says. These people will never vote for legalization. That's the way it is. There would be no more paychecks. And I can respect that....... And I don't care what any poll says about Republicans or any thing else. It's never going to pass with so many depending on Cannabis for their livlihood......

I'm not even sure about leaving this thread open. 19 seperated people and caused a lot of animosity. And it's going to be worse this time.....

Yea it is definitely more about people relying on it, as opposed to republican over 50 demographics and such. If all the people who grow and smoke in cali got behind it, it would have passed no problem.
i think were doing an ok job keeping it together. well expect for those two. but it hasnt gotten too crazy.

 

[krunchbubble]

Now on to Krunchbubble...What ever happpened to "I don't want Marijuana to be legal and don't give the slightest fuck what you think."?
Or "Medical only"

i still firmly believe in what i have said and feel. but im not so blatant about it anymore, just about everyone on here knows my position.....

i want to join this conversation, but i have chill. i get to passionate about what i believe in and people get to passionate about legalization, then people end up getting banned and i dont want that to happen to me....

so ill just kick back and post worthless one word or one sentence remarks on this subject, unless something really good comes up....

 

[igrowone]

i sense a moment of calm here, so a modest proposal, just off the cuff
how does new legislation get passed? in some cases, there are generous grandfather clauses
take EPA, back in the day, EPA was not an easy sell, but there were deals struck
one was for existing facilities, such as coal fired power plants, to be exempt from new regulation
this is not a perfect way of doing things, nasty old coal plants still puking out their junk
but it advanced the cause of environmental protection

so let us say we grandfather the medical grower/dispensary, here's the deal
grandfathered sellers has first right of sale, this ensures their business will not suffer
furthermore, they can compete for new recreational business, this is an incentive
recreational only sellers become part of the market more slowly
gradually, grandfathered permits expire, leaving a freer market
you get rec sales, break the ice so to speak

 

[Yes4Prop215]

either delete the thread or ban dagnabit and BHT and their emotional little outbursts from here.

this thread just makes us all hate eachother. the ones who depend on mary to pay the bills versus the legal eagles. its gonna be hard to convince otherwise.

i like things the way they are now. i might still end up in jail, but fuck it. bail out and get right back into out thats how we do here in california. i think its wrong that weed is illegal. weed should most definately be legal. but the government has blessed thousands of us with the gift of prohibition, and we are able to make livings because of it. make due while the suns shining thats how i look at it. and i kind of want the sun to shine for as long as possible.

looking at Moonshine, DMTs grows is both mindboggling, inspiring, and scary. because shit like that will definately shut many of us down. there will be no way to compete growing weed in your extra bedroom or basement with dozens of 500k multi million dollar facitilies owned and financed by government regulated businesses.

one day when montasanto and merck are selling buds for 50 bucks a ounce and we are all struggling to find work, we will look back upon this time when we were all undergound marijuana revolutionaries....earning tax free money and doing what we loved!

and dagnabit dont bother responding you are on ignore lol.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

either way, im already getting land up north. when punching the numbers for running a vineyards and other legal farming businesses the margins are downright scary. you might have to invest 50k per 10 acres to gross 100k in revenue, whereas a few acres of buds and a 50k investment will yeild you a million in todays market.

so even if its legalized and bud sells for 50 a zip you could probably still scratch out a meager living running a budfarm. just gotta get used to only making 50k a year instead of 400k....

and i know my OG kush will still sell for top dollar no matter what so i can count on her thanks for the cut KB you gotta see the latest batch.....shes dialing in real nice.

 

[dagnabit]

either delete the thread or ban dagnabit and BHT and their emotional little outbursts from here.



and dagnabit dont bother responding you are on ignore lol.

what outbursts?

sure im on iggy thats how you can see my emotional outbursts...

 

[JJScorpio]

Did I miss the note that you're in charge now?

If I ban them there'd be a few others going to.... I asked everyone to calm down and a few have taken it to far...... It's a passionate subject. So lets everyone be respectful....

And so you know, it's not the thread making people hate each other..... It's some people's views on not wanting legalization.....

either delete the thread or ban dagnabit and BHT and their emotional little outbursts from here.

this thread just makes us all hate eachother. the ones who depend on mary to pay the bills versus the legal eagles. its gonna be hard to convince otherwise.

i like things the way they are now. i might still end up in jail, but fuck it. bail out and get right back into out thats how we do here in california. i think its wrong that weed is illegal. weed should most definately be legal. but the government has blessed thousands of us with the gift of prohibition, and we are able to make livings because of it. make due while the suns shining thats how i look at it. and i kind of want the sun to shine for as long as possible.

looking at Moonshine, DMTs grows is both mindboggling, inspiring, and scary. because shit like that will definately shut many of us down. there will be no way to compete growing weed in your extra bedroom or basement with dozens of 500k multi million dollar facitilies owned and financed by government regulated businesses.

one day when montasanto and merck are selling buds for 50 bucks a ounce and we are all struggling to find work, we will look back upon this time when we were all undergound marijuana revolutionaries....earning tax free money and doing what we loved!

and dagnabit dont bother responding you are on ignore lol.

 

[SOTF420]

LEGALIZE IT!

Then everyone can try Sweet Tooth!

(that's plenty reason for me)

 

[Yes4Prop215]

Did I miss the note that you're in charge now?

If I ban them there'd be a few others going to.... I asked everyone to calm down and a few have taken it to far...... It's a passionate subject. So lets everyone be respectful....

And so you know, it's not the thread making people hate each other..... It's some people's views on not wanting legalization.....

i cant even tell what side you are on lol. first complaining about outdoor getting shipped to NY crashing prices, now you hate me because i dont support legalization? legalization in cali would REALLY crash NY prices haha...people would stop growing on the east coast and just get their packs shipped....il stay out of this thread. i dont grow for profit so i could care less. i have my plans for life in a legalized california, but until then things are fine the way they are.

 

[Duckslayer]

For someone who does not live in CA there are two possible ways of looking at this. I could take the view that I don't care what CA does because it will not change the mj climate in my state. That is a flawed way of thinking. The truth is that CA has always been ahead of the curve when it comes to forward thinking "liberal" issues. If CA passes a law that legalizes mj it will not immediately affect me or my state. In fact, I suspect that my state will be one of the last to get on board, but it will put things in motion for the rest of the country.
I find it highly unlikely that the other states that have med mj laws would have them if not for CA blazing the trail. Like it or not, if this is a war, then CA is the front line. This is just my opinion, but I believe that our ultimate goal should be legalization on a federal level. I also believe that if that is ever going to happen, it must happen at the state level in CA first.
I could care less who does or does not make money in the mj biz. My primary concern is with the imprisoning of thousands of otherwise law abiding citizens for the possession or cultivation of a plant. If you have never been busted you have no idea just how adversely that affects your life. I've been there, it is no fun. In my case I was lucky for someone who lives in the state I lived in at the time. I got popped with 68 plants and about half a pound of finished product. Fortunately there were no baggies, scales, or cash in the house so I was only charged with "manufacturing" mj. Had they added a "with intent" to the end of that I would not be typing this right now.
Because I had no record, and I was willing to spend every penny I had to avoid prison time I was lucky. I only lost my life savings, my home and almost everything in it, and my job of 19 years. I got a 10 year suspended sentence and 3 years of probation. Oh and the thrill of being a 48 year old felon in search of a job.
I know that this is long winded, but I wanted to make the consequences real for those who have not experienced it.
CA has it good right now, and I am happy for them. But in today's political climate I wonder how long that will last. Technically everything that goes on in the CA mj biz is against federal law. They may be one Right-wing presidential election from that all crashing down around their heads. That is why I believe that it is important that they take the next step before Palin or Cantor or whomever sends the mj movement back to the stone age.

 

[bentom187]

i dont know where to start as far a hippocrits, but ill tell ya ,im gonna give weed/seeds away so even if everyone thinks they have a market cornered, try selling at negitive costs.

everyone deserves this beutiful plant if your selfish dont contact me i dont really have sympathy for selfcenteredness.

 

[Rednick]

Did I miss the note that you're in charge now?

No JJ, you are in charge!
Don't ever let us forget it!

The real problem is peoples livelihoods depend on MJ earnings in these states, in fact in all the states.
Money makes us whip out our dicks and see who wins.
Once systems are created it is hard to dismantle/reorganize them. (Think welfare, public schools, military, law enforcement)

If we were to make this plant like a tomato plant, then we would all need to sacrifce our retained earnings in the name of the 'greater good'. (sounds quite commie, but it just is)

Since that isn't going to happen just know where your money is going. America is voting with their dollars, and they are not being shy about it. Drugs, Inc. makes a lot of money.

I've told you once and I'll tell you again.
We keep in-fighting and shit is going to be a whole lot worse for your lot if:
Cali/Colo/Wash or Ore legalizes it.
Or
Your state legalizes/medicals it and your lot has done nothing but fight eachother over terroir....
Well you can bet that the same thing that happened in Colo will happen there.
Well organised: collectives, individuals, run of the mill assholes, OC, FLO RidIans, ect...Will over run your state, push out your friends no matter how dank their shit is, and push Budweiser.

But a change in Exec can make this nightmare legalization scenario all but a distant memory.

But I warn you JJ, your friends need to start planning now! Or they are going to be fucked when the flood comes.

Passing legislation just to pass legislation rarely achieves anything good. Just learn more about Colo and you will see. Caregivers can't sell to dispensaries, WTF? That is the state caring about their cut of the pie, not the size of the pie. They all get retroactively flunked for Econ 101!

 

[kmk420kali]

either delete the thread or ban dagnabit and BHT and their emotional little outbursts from here.

Can you show me an "Emotional Outburst" from either one of them in this Thread?? BHT only posted once, and Dag has been vocal, but I have not seen anything that constitutes what you are saying--