The Official MMA Discussion

[NateDizz]

Bummer Brown lost again is that 3 of his last 4 he lost? I remeber hearing he was having some personal troubles for awhile there.

He's lost 2 of his last 4. He's definitely on a bit of a skid, but at the same time, losing to Gamburyan, and Nunes isn't really too much to be ashamed about...

I just heard that he's fighting again on the 22nd against Rani Yahya to fill in for an injury on the next UFC card. Not even a month into the new year and he'll already have two quality fights under his belt! Hopefully he can win this one though. Yahya is no slouch but I think Brown should be able to pick up a win in this one. Hopefully this one will get on the main card this time seeing as how it's not a stacked card or anything.

 

[NateDizz]

Sonnen has bee suspended. DW called it "mutually agreed upon", but thats a bunch of bullshit. hes going into damage control mode.

i wouldnt be suprised to see sonnen let go as soon as there is enough distance between him and the organization. my guess is that SF will pick him up just like they did barnett.

...if not, theres always the Jose Canseco fight in japan. where mma careers go to die.

Chael really had an eventful year last year, both in and outside of the cage. The rise and fall.. whether he emerges again is going to be the interesting part.

If he does get released one way or another there's still a handful of fights for him elsewhere (mainly Strikeforce like you said Raven) but I really hope he does manage to stick around. Strictly because he's a top guy and the UFC does have the majority of the top talent in the division and I always want to see the best fight the best. A second fight with Anderson has got to happen before it's too late and one of their careers take a dip.

 

[EvilRaven1031]

A second fight with Anderson has got to happen before it's too late and one of their careers take a dip.

i thought thats what happened. LMAO

i wouldnt mind seeing him take a fight in SF...thats just me giving the guy the benefit of the doubt though. we all know hes guilty as sin. he does too.


Seriously though, id like to hear from the IC mma community. what should be done with guys like this? the ones that test hot for roids or guys that cant keep their shit straight outside the cage? if this were any other sport, it would be a much bigger deal than it is now.

so lets hear it fight fans! what should we do with these fuckups?

 

[NateDizz]

Hahaha - yeah I guess his career has taken a dip outside of the cage but inside the cage he's still proven to be the second best and hasn't lost a fight since or been overtaken by someone elses accomplishments. For that reason I want to see the fight and see him continue to fight in the UFC but he clearly deserves to be punished for his actions. I just don't know if I think he should get the boot. There should be some way of discipline not involving his release whether it be a long suspension, financial penalty, or something. I don't know, maybe a release is the only discipline substantial enough though.


So like Raven said - what's all your guys' opinions?


But definitely if it does happen that he ends up being released I wouldn't mind seeing him in Strikeforce. Fights with Hendo, Jacare, or Robbie Lawler would all be really appealing.



Peace

 

[EvilRaven1031]

hell, MLB banned Pete Rose for life for simply gambling on baseball. granted, its a different situation there...but still! there has to be some sort of "black book" for people like this.

im not JUST talking about Sonnen here. guys like Barnett and Kimo, the ones who have been popped MULTIPLE times. once, sure...ill give you the benefit of the doubt. do it again and it becomes actionable. if you add in decapitating some guy with a hedge trimmer and munching on his brains with a silly straw....fuckin black booked!

and no im not advocating a "three strike" policy, thats too much. once will get you a pass, (not withstanding the fines and suspensions from athletic commissions) twice and we see a pattern. any more than that should be ejection from the sport, because its someone else's life you're putting at risk.

 

[Guyute54]

I kind of feel bad for Sonnen but I kind of am mad at him too. If it was just a bad string of unfortunate incidents I would not punish him and as soon as possible give him a title shot as Silva again. But if he took the roids to try and get the edge then screw him no need for cheaters. But just imagine how bigger of a deal Sonnen would have been if Anderson didn't catch him in that triangle.

How do you guys like the Strikeforce Heavyweight tourney?? I like it just hope whoever wins the belt will put the belt on the line more than once a year.

 

[NateDizz]

I was hoping someone would mention the tourney! There's definitely alot of relevance in there but it just sounds too good to be true. I can see this thing going on for a really long time and taking longer than expected to complete or I could see some of these guys dropping out over the course of it and getting replaced by lesser valued fighters. For any tournament to run smoothly is almost too much to ask (ahem - most recently Sengoku's featherweight tourney), especially this one (Fedor's hand issues and constant contract issues, Barnett's license issues, Overeem's non-exclusive deal that sees him fighting elsewhere more often than not, etc, etc). I really hope it does go as planned in an efficient fashion, but I doubt it.

Emelianenko -vs- Silva
Arlovski -vs- Kharitonov
Barnett -vs- Rogers
Overeem -vs- Werdum

On paper that looks great, there's alot of firepower in that lineup. As much as I wish Emelianenko -vs- Silva and Overeem -vs- Werdum wern't happening in the first round because two of the top four fighters in the tourney will be eliminated right off the bat - it might be a good thing in case this thing does fall apart. Atleast we will have got to see a couple of really good matches rather than see them not happen later when it would be more appropriate.

 

[Ramius]

Really looking forward to the Nick Diaz fight too, get ready for 1000 punches thrown in the first round

 

[Green lung]

Am I only one who thought Slvia was toying with Sonnen and the fans. I thought he was playing the old rope a dope with some acting thrown in.


People were saying before the fight that maybe he couldn't take a punch so to make a point he let sonnen beat on him with realatively weak strikes imo and slivia played along and took him out when he made his point.


When he first was having trouble I realized he was playing the rope a dope but after a couple rounds I even started to doubt myself, but he took him out in the end.

 

[NateDizz]

I just can't see a guy taking punishment for 23 minutes in order to prove a point like that. Cost -vs- reward and it just doesn't add up to me...

 

[Green lung]

I just can't see a guy taking punishment for 23 minutes in order to prove a point like that. Cost -vs- reward and it just doesn't add up to me...

I would agree but I would not call what sonnen did was real punishment, had he actually taken punishment from sonnen I would agree with you.

I don't think sonnen can hit harder than forest and he let forest hit him with haymakers and took them stone cold. What Sonnen did where mostly rabbit punches and Silva and no visible damage

 

[Shcrews]

Really looking forward to the Nick Diaz fight too, get ready for 1000 punches thrown in the first round

I will be there, blazing kush in the parking lot before the fights...

and sipping tequila in the top row!


NICK DIAZ!!!!!!!

 

[Shcrews]

I was hoping someone would mention the tourney! There's definitely alot of relevance in there but it just sounds too good to be true. I can see this thing going on for a really long time and taking longer than expected to complete or I could see some of these guys dropping out over the course of it and getting replaced by lesser valued fighters. For any tournament to run smoothly is almost too much to ask (ahem - most recently Sengoku's featherweight tourney), especially this one (Fedor's hand issues and constant contract issues, Barnett's license issues, Overeem's non-exclusive deal that sees him fighting elsewhere more often than not, etc, etc). I really hope it does go as planned in an efficient fashion, but I doubt it.

Emelianenko -vs- Silva
Arlovski -vs- Kharitonov
Barnett -vs- Rogers
Overeem -vs- Werdum

On paper that looks great, there's alot of firepower in that lineup. As much as I wish Emelianenko -vs- Silva and Overeem -vs- Werdum wern't happening in the first round because two of the top four fighters in the tourney will be eliminated right off the bat - it might be a good thing in case this thing does fall apart. Atleast we will have got to see a couple of really good matches rather than see them not happen later when it would be more appropriate.

I agree with everything you said.. the first round brackets could be better, hopefully we will see some good fights anyway though! here are my picks:
__________________________
1st elimination round:

FEDOR > Silva
Sergei > Arlovski
Barnett > Rogers
Overeem > Werdum
__________________________
2nd round:

FEDOR > Sergei
Barnett > Overeem
__________________________
and finally...

FEDOR > Barnett

!!!!!!!
But in a perfect world, Cain Velasquez and Junior Dos Santos will fight soon and the winner will face the Strikeforce champ (fedor) in a co-promotion superfight to end all superfights

Dos Santos > Velasquez
_______________________
then....
FEDOR > Dos Santos

and FEDOR IS ONCE AGAIN UNDISPUTED CHAMP AND GREATEST OF ALL TIME IN 2011

 

[EvilRaven1031]

not again with the Fedor bullshit...

im not jumping on you Schrews, its just the 56,398,757,659,485th time that this has come up. it comes up every time Fedor is scheduled to fight. "When is he gonna be in the UFC? When is he gonna fight the best?"

the answer is, he isnt. ever. not gonna happen.


im gonna throw this out here and see if it makes sense.

Fedor is joined at the hip with M-1. historically speaking, negotiations between M-1 and ANYONE ELSE have been rocky at best when (insert organization here) hasnt caved in and met every single demand set forth by M-1. this has been the proverbial dagger in the heart of many promotions so far. the UFC is in a position where it would be bad business to cater to all these demands, they simply have too much at stake. the UFC didnt get to its current position by making bad business decisions.

Fedor doesnt want to fight the best. he realizes he is getting old. recurring hand problems, his recent loss...hes lost a step and he feels it. its ok, its going to happen to us all eventually. you can see it in his face, something is missing.

then theres this whole tournament thing. strikeforce is betting the farm on this guy and arent hiding that fact. Fedors contract has one fight left on it, so that means that he is going to have to re negotiate after the first round. again, looking back on the past that hasnt been a simple thing. speaking of contract negotiations...hasnt Fedor held out for a better deal after almost every fight?



so while this IS mma and anything could possibly happen......dont hold your breath for Fedor in the UFC octagon any time soon.

 

[Shcrews]

hey i can dream can't I? but no, i dont think fedor will ever fight anyone in the UFC. as for fighting "the best", the only heavyweights that UFC has to offer right now are Velasques and Dos Santos (& Carwin if he can sort out his cardio). most of "the best" heavyweights are actually in strikeforce right now.

as for the strikeforce tournament; yes, fedor may lose a fight, or pull some BS. there is no way to know, only speculate.


I am excited anyway. i like the russians, but realistically i can see Overeem winning as well. Werdum i dont think will submit all 3 of his opponents, which is the only way i see him winning.

Arlovski or Silva would be great underdog victories

and Barnett winning would make just about everyone happy i think

 

[EvilRaven1031]

i hope Barnett gets his skull caved in. i dont care how many tests hes passed, my guess is hes finally worked out his cycle. goddamn juicehead.

 

[ninjashoes]

i hope Barnett gets his skull caved in. i dont care how many tests hes passed, my guess is hes finally worked out his cycle. goddamn juicehead.

If Barnett gets his skull caved in it probably won't happen until the final. I am pretty sure Barnett takes both Arlovski and Sergei with relative ease.

Barnett is getting an easy road to the final if anything. I would rather fight Arlovski, Rogers and/or Sergei than fight Overeem and Werdum.

I am dying to see Fedor fight all of these guys besides Rogers.

This is the biggest thing to happen in MMA for a long time, lets just hope the gp doesent get plagued by injuries.

 

[Guyute54]

. Fedors contract has one fight left on it, so that means that he is going to have to re negotiate after the first round..

Fedor signed a new four fight contract..

I don't think Fedor's going to win the tourney either if they could get overeem to fight more than once a year that's who I'm putting my money on. He's been great all of last year..

Like said Fedor is getting up there in age and the young fighters just keep getting better and better. But then again there's a few fighter's in the tourney that are past there prime..

Green Lung- No way was Silva toying with Sonnen. If it was for a round or two maybee, but not 99% of the fight. What I do think might have happened with the Sonnen fight was Silva took him very lightly and got a big head and didn't prepare how he should have. If the Silva vs Sonnen happens again I think we will see a much different Silva in that fight.

 

[Shcrews]

i hope Barnett gets his skull caved in. i dont care how many tests hes passed, my guess is hes finally worked out his cycle. goddamn juicehead.

its fine if you don't like the guy but you should realize that many many many professional fighters have juiced, including probably most elites in all the weight classes...

i think barnett is an exciting and SMART fighter although i am not rooting for him in the tournament

 

[EvilRaven1031]

i agree that the problem is more widespread than we realize. and im not sure that im "angry" or "just dont like the guy"....its the fact that hes gotten popped more than any other fighter in the sport and we still let him compete.

once we find out whos cheating, why still let them fight!