Michigan MMJ law safe!

[bobblehead]

I'm not mad. I'm just not going to sell them my meds for the same price I would sell to my patients, who aren't capitalizing on my product. I'm taking my piece of the pie with no complaints from them. If they choose not to stock my product, so be it...

and where are you getting your numbers? $25 an oz? how do you know what it costs me to manufacture an oz? I'm small time. Most of my earnings get reinvested... Let's talk about start up costs, mkay? Cause I'm pricing a warehouse... That's $650 a month. Plus electric... that's gonna be about $5-600 a month easy... so add fertilizer and we'll call overhead $1500 a month. Let's say I get 10 600w lumateks... I might be able to get them for $150 a piece, $1500, wire up my own lamp cords... another $100-200... The scrubber and fan is gonna run $500 at least... Lamps... oh boy, 600w USHIOs cost $70 a piece... $700... I'm just gonna stop now.

STFU.

 

[grow nerd]

A lot of what you mention are one-time/non-recurring equipment costs. Even in the "drug smuggling" business of storefronts, you have such one-time setup costs. And heavier recurring costs, like employee payroll, lease, insurance, taxes.

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

So, as previously mentioned, why is it not okay for shops to make 50-150% gross profit with larger capital and risk involved, but okay for you to make 1000%+ net profit with less capital involved and oftentimes overlapping budget (i.e., part of "home" is used as grow area, not a separate rented property) making it even larger?

I don't have any felonies so hope my question and concern counts.

dude your spouting out some shit like you know what your talking about but its obvious from the shit you say you dont... you have no clue as it seems... i have been nice and telling you how shit really is and you come up with some ridiculous comments and figures... So much i dont know where to start... and really dont see the point as i dont think you can see or learn or remove what ever it is over your eyes that makes it so reality does not seep through... and who everdont upgrade there room is not a true grower... we buy bigger and better shit to make better medicine... On top of that we all grow Connoisseur medicine not shit that gets us 2# a light...

we dont have a empty room where we put 1k light in and put 40 plants... we do shit for real... and the over head is expensive as hell... if you grew i would think you would know that... but you keep sticking up for people bringing in cali shit... which is fine... its what ever and the market will smooth itself out i totally agree... but until it does all MOST clubs buy is cali weed and cheap schwag....

im tired of this conversation to all the side involved i wish everyone well but i cant say the same thing more then twice without getting tired of the convo....

 

[vaped]

A shop is in my near future have the lawyers, the backers, and the meds. I will only stock meds from a few of my close friends. Even after doing the math cant figure why the clubs are charging so much. If I can buy a oz off my homeboy for $300 to $350 a zip sell it still make a profit and stay lower price and better quality than the compitition I almost dont even need a good location. Just a bunch of customer driven hype. I could sell the cali way cheep too and still make a profit just giving my customers a benifit of a lower grade choice. What I see now if well not if when I get the doors open many clubs will have to follow suite. My tops will run 450 a zip 18 a gram and my bottoms will run 300 an oz 12 a gram. Still enough to give me atleast a proffit of 800 a pound before shop expenses. Grower and I can walk away happy. You add smokeware, clones , hash and edibles I should be able to not fuck the growers and keep cali weed from becoming top shelf in my shop. Not to diss cali weed seen some pretty good shit much better than alot of the newb michi growers shit but I wouldnt not stock a growers stuff to lower my quality and raise profits. I see alot of Fubba kush, recigning buddha, Sour Bubble, and Durga Matta dominating my shop plus a few more like Dr. Kevorkian and Las Vegas purple kush.<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><!--Session data--><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">

 

[grow nerd]

You wouldn't know about expensive overhead. $0.50/kwh? Much higher rent? High-end equipment? Lower wholesale prices?

If you're not getting 2# a light from almost anything you should rework your growing style and room because I think it should be possible with most strains.

 

[bobblehead]

You wouldn't know about expensive overhead. $0.50/kwh? Much higher rent? High-end equipment? Lower wholesale prices?

If you're not getting 2# a light from almost anything you should rework your growing style and room because I think it should be possible with most strains.

Stop talking out of your ass. 2# a light doesn't mean shit. How long did it take you to grow that 2#? 8 weeks? 10, 12...? With all of your knowledge, I would like to become your apprentice... Maybe you could teach me how to grow. If you want to break it down, then we should also devalue the equipment... Fans, Ballasts, etc... all need to be replaced at some point. Scrubbers every 6-12 months. Lamps every 2-3 months. Again, if your pics are yours, you know the expenses and time involved in growing. Caregiving for 5 people other than myself is a full time job. What you can grow theoretically doesn't mean shit in a real life garden.

Like PTB said... I'm done with this. We're real caregivers really working here in Michigan. IDK if that counts for anything...

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

You wouldn't know about expensive overhead. $0.50/kwh? Much higher rent? High-end equipment? Lower wholesale prices?

If you're not getting 2# a light from almost anything you should rework your growing style and room because I think it should be possible with most strains.

omg face palm.... im done with this conversation

 

[TickleMyBalls]

still no mods care about all of the violations of TOU in this thread?? how come other threads get binned so fast? where is payaso? isn't he the news section mod?

 

[grow nerd]

still no mods care about all of the violations of TOU in this thread?? how come other threads get binned so fast? where is payaso? isn't he the news section mod?

Translation: OMG I'm getting pwnt! Help! Ring the bell!

 

[TickleMyBalls]

haha. yeah, more like I'm sick of people without a clue bumping this thread to say things completely unrelated to the original topic.

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

sigh

 

[gingerale]

1. Once again....if you are bitching about overhead and expenses at $300/oz, God help you when its legalized and indoor goes for $50-$100/oz wholesale all day long. Real businesses can't just throw piles of money into their operations, they have to spend the least amount possible and worry about efficiency. Those who spend too much money go out of business.

2. I don't understand the mentality that it's somehow wrong for a dispensary/club to mark up prices and make a profit. News flash, drug companies aren't in it for compassion, they're in it for the almighty dollar. Just about everyone is. That's capitalism, and that's why our country is successful, because every human is naturally looking out for his own interests. If you give patients cheap prices out of compassion, that's great, and good on you, but don't act like others are lesser than you cause they don't share your ideals.

If I have a patient who is truly hurting for money and needs pain relief then sure, I'm willing to cut deals, but I'm growing because a) I like to grow, b) I like to smoke, and c) I really like to get paid. I'm not ashamed of that and I don't look down on others who want to make a cut too. Running a store front in this black market is inherently riskier than a grow, because it's a fixed location that's right there in the public eye, unlike my grow which is kept locked up and hidden.

3. Other than compassion reasons, why charge less for patients than for dispensaries? That's ass backwards. If anything the club should get the cheaper (i.e. wholesale) price because you are selling to them in bulk, right? That's how legit businesses operate. But I'm not judging, run your own business how you please and I will do my thing.

4. TMB you might want to pick up an economics book some time and educate yourself. People driving the pricing down and you're whining because they are changing how things have "always been" for the past 10 years? Wake up man. Economies and markets aren't static entities, they fluctuate and change over time. Either go with the flow, adapt, overcome, or go out of business. It's that simple.

 

[est1977]

1. Once again....if you are bitching about overhead and expenses at $300/oz, God help you when its legalized and indoor goes for $50-$100/oz wholesale all day long. Real businesses can't just throw piles of money into their operations, they have to spend the least amount possible and worry about efficiency. Those who spend too much money go out of business.

2. I don't understand the mentality that it's somehow wrong for a dispensary/club to mark up prices and make a profit. News flash, drug companies aren't in it for compassion, they're in it for the almighty dollar. Just about everyone is. That's capitalism, and that's why our country is successful, because every human is naturally looking out for his own interests. If you give patients cheap prices out of compassion, that's great, and good on you, but don't act like others are lesser than you cause they don't share your ideals.

If I have a patient who is truly hurting for money and needs pain relief then sure, I'm willing to cut deals, but I'm growing because a) I like to grow, b) I like to smoke, and c) I really like to get paid. I'm not ashamed of that and I don't look down on others who want to make a cut too. Running a store front in this black market is inherently riskier than a grow, because it's a fixed location that's right there in the public eye, unlike my grow which is kept locked up and hidden.

3. Other than compassion reasons, why charge less for patients than for dispensaries? That's ass backwards. If anything the club should get the cheaper (i.e. wholesale) price because you are selling to them in bulk, right? That's how legit businesses operate. But I'm not judging, run your own business how you please and I will do my thing.

4. TMB you might want to pick up an economics book some time and educate yourself. People driving the pricing down and you're whining because they are changing how things have "always been" for the past 10 years? Wake up man. Economies and markets aren't static entities, they fluctuate and change over time. Either go with the flow, adapt, overcome, or go out of business. It's that simple.

Amen!!!!! ,IDGAF Equipment ,Nutes,Electricity is expensive as hell
And Hydro stores don't give people breaks at all

 

[ambition]

Question guys...is there a precedent for arresting/harassing apartment/rental growers in Michigan?

 

[TickleMyBalls]

News flash, drug companies aren't in it for compassion, they're in it for the almighty dollar. Just about everyone is.

yeah, thats the point. these aren't multibillion dollar pharma companies, these are operations literally calling themselves "compassion clubs" and they are all 501-3c non-profit organizations. so they don't pay federal taxes and barely pay state tax.

we know pharma is out for profit margins. non-profit compassion clubs shouldn't be. if you've ever been to any of these places they make you sign paperwork aknowledging that you understand it is a non-profit organization and in those documents is a mission statement, usually something like "we're here to give access to medicine to sick people who need it." then something about compassion and their belief that people should be able to medicate how they feel works best for them.

so yeah, remember what you're talking about. this isn't just any industry, and in med states it's not an entirely black market.

when is the influx of out of touch idiots going to stop in this thread? it should be split off into a another thread called "you'll understand when it happens to you" half of the people responding here aren't in med states, and aren't legal growers, but want to tell us how to react when criminals impact our market to the point that legitimate caregivers who have been operating for the last 2 years providing patients with quality meds at affordable prices, has their hard work devalued. nothing has changed except for the influx of the criminal element bringing in 50-100 lb of outdoor at once and moving them to the dispensaries dirt cheap. then the dispensaries charge more for the cali outdoor that they have already tumbled and collected all of the resin to sell seperately, than anyone I know has ever paid for indoor local herb prior to these shops opening.

yes we understand overhead, but the cost of overhead disappears quickly when you're making 200%+ profit on all ganja transactions and more than that on everything else they sell. especially when they'll take the meds that a local caregiver sells them and tumble the kief off and sell that separate from the nugs. then they have your product for $75 1/8 of herb and $50 a gram kief that they aquired by ruining your product in the first place.

 

[bobblehead]

Yep. Let's go through the checklist... Do you grow cannabis? Do you live in a med state? Are you a caregiver? If you answered "no" to any of the previous questions, please see your way out...

If you want to talk about how prices will change when legalization happens... refer to this thread https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=85328 or one of the many like it.

 

[Sam the Caveman]

I'm glad the Michigan MMJ law is safe!!!

 

[grow nerd]

Non-profits still have to make money for payroll, rent, utilities, lawyers, security, future expansion, bribes, etc.

 

[Gooey]

Seems to me like you are still making no point TMB...yes the above happens...why complain? why not just grow your frosty nugs n be happy its better....true patients know whats up...their still is a market for the best everywere....gingerale put it nicely above...gl

 

[whodare]

if your not from mi you should have any sort of input period.

ive been to the clubs and i see wht goes around.PTB and TMB are right its a joke, ive been getting black market shit cheaper and of a much higher quality for years.

for the record 200-250 oz would be a good wholesale price if you didnt feel like you were getting fucked in the ass when the club sells it for 500. honestly if someone told me an oz is more than 325 im laughing at them and walking away that shit aint right.

oh and i do grow i have a 4k stadium now. i can put out 6# every two months at 3500 a piece that 21000, or 10k a month. or 120k a year. last time i checked thats a pretty easy op to maintain and it certainly cost me no more that 1500 a month. and with a 4 k initial investment im looking at waliking away with a profit of 15-19k per harvest.

all together its not that 200 is to low its that the clubs want them that cheap to sell for 500, which is bs to the grower and patient, i mean this is about the patients right.