What the best way to increase Terpene/Terpenoid production/complexity in Cannabis?

[BrnCow]

Phedrosbenny: I personally love the shit. When u get some crazy ass lookin post like this:

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I get interested and leads me to shit like this:

First you must know that electromagnetic field always propagates itself
and thus it is also called EM wave. These EM waves are separated in
different domains according to their frequency as follows (roughly):
- radio waves: ... to 3E+12Hz
- infrared waves: 3E+12Hz to 3E+14Hz
- visible light: 3E+14Hz to 3E+15Hz
- ultraviolet light: 3E+15Hz to 3E+16Hz
- X-rays: 3E+16Hz to 3E+19Hz
- gamma-rays: 3E+19Hz to ...

One reason why EM waves are separated into these categories is that
there are different methods needed to generate / detect EM waves
from different categories. For example you use an antenna to emit
radio waves and a light bulb to emit light. Visible light can be
detected by the human eye but radio waves not. Instead radio waves
can be picked up by an antenna but not visible light.

It is interesting that all these things represent just ONE phenomenon
and there is only ONE parameter which separates visible light from
radio waves: frequency.

By asking how to produce and measure electromagnetic field you probably
meant radio waves. The answer is: by using antennas, just like an ordinary
radio or mobile phone does. An antenna is a conductor through which
electric charges (electrons) move accelerated. This is done by applying
a variable voltage. Actualy the voltage varies with the same frequency
as the emited wave. Also the length of the antenna is correlated to
this frequency: for higher frequencies you need smaller antennas.

I have never constructed a radio emitter myself so I really don't know
how hard / easy it is. But I would recommend you to search for one
that is already built. You should be able to modify the frequency of the
emitted wave and this wave should have high power if you want to
observe something. Otherwise I suspect nothing interesting will happen.
Also you should make sure that your emitter does not disturb other
"EMF users" nearby.

The problem is that it is too much trouble to do this and probably will
observe nothing interesting. The effect of radio waves on living things
is yet uncertain. Probaly you've heard concern about mobile phones causing
cancer but statistical date to infirm this. Also there were concerns
about possible negative influence on human body of the electric field
nearby electrical energy distribution network's wires; again statistical
data seems to suggest that this low frequancy fields (50Hz) have no effect
on human body.

It would be interesting however to concentrate on different regions of the
electromagnetic spectrum. For example very high frequency radio waves,
called microwaves, have a very easy to observe effect on plants and
anything containing water in general. You can "cook" a plant by placing it
in a microwave oven, which is an emitter of electromagnetic waves in this
region of the spectrum (above GHz). The plant is heated because it
contains water and water is resonant to microwave frequencies. This means
that it is able to absorb the energy of the EM waves.

Another type of EM waves that have a definite effect on plants is visible
light. If you keep a plant without light for a long time it will die. This
is because plants need light for photosyhthesis which is a process by which
they obtain "food" from the minerals extracted from earth. You could try to
see what happens if you keep different plants into different kinds of
light: red, green, blue, etc.

Which is part of what hes talking about but still doesnt tell us shit. He wants us to take his study course i guess.

Teach away short ryder. just make it so someone can understand you and give us somemore clues specificly to how this is the best way to increase Terpene/Terpenoid production/complexity in Cannabis since that is what this threads about!

Darn! He forgot the microwaves - and I need a cheese sandwich before I go finish building and tuning the tube guitar amp I am building from scratch! What freqs do I need to tune the amp to if I want to use it for a bass guitar? Where do I start? Can you help me ole' short one?

 

[FoCo(No.Co)]

How can you call us cheapasses when we're willing to spend the money on products to enhance it?

Said like a real chump!

 

[whodair]

i grow stink !!

i grow stink !!

plants on the perimeter of my garden are smellier...so possibly lower temps or more gradual angle of rays from the bulb ??

chemdd 78 day stinkeroo

 

[ItsGrowTime]

I didnt read the thread so pardon if Im repeating someone else. The single thing that increased smell and resin production for me was Floralicious Plus at 1ml/gal throughout flower. Botanicare Hydroplex (full of aminos) helped boost potency. These products were used on a strain Ive grown pretty exclusively for years so I know for sure they helped.

 

[FreezerBoy]

To everyone in general and short ryder in particular: Civility is not an option!

Stick to science and leave your insults at the door.

 

[Cannarado]

Organic... anyone?

As i re-read the tread, i hear a lot of claims for Organic. But i would like to know what your guy's opinions on what Organic truely is. Where do you draw the line at "Partial organic" and such?

Also - time lines for micro-bacterial useage. Is it immediate or do you have to actually grow and farm the bacteria first before it will become of use to the plant?

At itsgrowtime - What else do you and or have you used on them?

p.s. By show of hands, anyone foliar feed? with?

 

[ItsGrowTime]

My base nutes are Floranova and Ive used various stuff over the years that have come and gone from my nute shelf. Doesn't really matter. I only stick with things that I know work. Those two particular products are now mainstays in my nute regimen because they have proven themselves through both my observations as well as my customer's observations.

 

[Chief Rbud]

Organic... anyone?

As i re-read the tread, i hear a lot of claims for Organic. But i would like to know what your guy's opinions on what Organic truely is. Where do you draw the line at "Partial organic" and such?

Also - time lines for micro-bacterial useage. Is it immediate or do you have to actually grow and farm the bacteria first before it will become of use to the plant?

At itsgrowtime - What else do you and or have you used on them?

p.s. By show of hands, anyone foliar feed? with?

i foliar feed with water and mollasses, about a tablespoon per gallon, maybe a little less. right up until i am ready to chop

 

[whodair]

lower buds are greasy stinkers, made in the shade !!

lower buds are greasy stinkers, made in the shade !!

whodair: Great observation...i also get what seems to be more trics on the lower buds as opposed to the ones getting direct light...or maybe its just that their less hairy...?

stinky lower creeper bud

heres the bottom of the barrel of chemdd

i smoke bottoms !!

 

[bendoslendo]

From http://www.growthproducts.com/pdfs/News_as_It_Happens-What_are_L-Amino_Acids_1_.pdf

"With names like L-Glycine, L-Glutamic Acid, L-Aspartic Acid, L-Alanine, L-Proline, and L-Leucine, it’s pretty easy to imagine that amino acids are some sort of far-out alien entity."

Really?

 

[ganjasuiteseat]

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[gingerale]

do you work with wireless frequencies everyday do you have thousands of dollars worth of wireless technology at your disposal?

Hi. I'm a satellite communications technician. I know all about RF, frequencies, and resonance. Your ideas are bullshit.

I especially like how you say humans can't produce a frequency or hear a frequency above 5 MHz.... LOL. You're off by several orders of magnitude there buddy... the average person can't hear frequencies above 18-20kHz or so... a FAR cry from 5 MHz.

 

[dmt]

using grow type hps at 60% and mh at 40% makes for amzing plants. you can also kill the lights for 3-5 days and add ice water to your plants preharvest, d

 

[SativaHybrid]

ORGANIC!

ORGANIC!

First off let me say that some of you guys get too stuck on the fact that some scientific article dealing with some petunias is the hail all source of information. I'm all for scientific backing to any truth claim but sometimes the honest opinion of a veteran cannabis grower far outweighs that of a college student conducting theoretical research. That is the amazing thing about Cannabis alot of the botanical and horticultural research still needs to be performed to come up with rock solid theories. I still hear educated debates regarding things as simple as photoperiod so my guess is there are not many "one right answer" scenarios when it comes to something as complex and often overlooked as terpenoid profiles. The one thing that i can say is that in my opinion organicly grown cannabis tastes better than it's chemical counterpart. Much of this can be negated with a thorough flush, but not all. Personally i can be tricked into thinking good chemically grown cannabis that was fed lightly throughout and flushed for a couple weeks is organic. But one of my friends can taste it every time. She will always catch the slightest differences. That beign said i have had some limited experience with organically gown hydro that had some amazing taste. Still it didn't have as complex of a smell or taste. I think this may be due the the fact that a well mixed organic soil is likely to have considerably more variety in nutrients, minerals, vitamins, etc. However i do believe this could be matched with much diligence and ingenuity in a hydro setup ($$$). Also i have noticed as some have suggested a minute difference in the feel and structure of hydro vs soil however my expirience is not in-depth enough to make any claims. All this being said here are some observations ive made of many cycles with various strains. Outdoor cannabis usually has a more complex taste and smell especially if it is more sativa dominant. I've found in general sativas have a more complex taste and high profile that seems more susceptible to outside influences, but not always. However there are some strains that have a very simple almost one dimensional smell that seems more pungent indoors. Also outdoor bud seems to get atleast some smell from the enviroment. Regardless of the strain my outdoor always seems to have a very faint smell that is always present regardless of the more dominant smell. Organic grows seem more pungent and "seem to burn your nose a little more when smelling the jar". However sometimes the increse in smell isn't necasarily a good thing sometimes it can take a strain that smells like ripe fruit and make it smell almost sickly sweet, it all depends on user preference. And one of the few things that im almost sure of is that mollases makes buds sweeter. That is almost any bud from diesel to skunk it makes it a little sweeter. And as a side not to the nay sayers who claim that science doesn't support the fact that there is any difference in organic vs chemical look into all of the beneficial micro organisms. In the real world soil does more than just feed and support the plants it creates an enviroment and this can be the key. Many beneficial organisms help to absorb nutrients, fight disease, etc.

 

[messn'n'gommin']

Greetings fellow green thumbs. I'm trying to figure out how to grow not just resinous pot but how to push the flavor and smell of my herb as far as possible.

Genetics and Organics seem really important, but I have a number of questions:

Is soil the best medium for the most flavorful/pungent pot?
How does stressing the plant in flower alter the taste/smell?
What methods of soil/nutes have produced the most flavorful/pungent pot for you?
What spectrum has produced the most tastiest/stankiest for you?
Is there a tradeoff in growing for yield/resin production versus growing for taste/smell?

Has anyone come across other horticultural experiences in pushing terpene/terpenoid production in other flower-like herbs (maybe in growing potpourri material, or incense materials)?

Any growers out there on a similar mission - pursuing cognoscenti qualities in cannabis as opposed to cash crop qualities?

Organic vs. Chem "discussions" not-withstanding, probably the easiest way to enhance taste and aroma is by adding UV-A. Most flavonoid production is affected most at somewhere around 350nm to 390nm with the mid-ranges and lower of UV radiation start to have less and less effect. Coincidentally, the CMH/MH lamps spectrums start to drop off somewhere in that range. I haven't looked all that hard for it, but I haven't seen any SPD's on either the CMH or MH lamps that included less than 390nm, so I can't say exactly what range output of UV-A they have in general, but I know they do radiate at ranges lower than 400nm.

As an aside, THC can be enhanced by UV-B (somewhere around 290nm to 310nm), there is some evidence that low fluence rates (<1 mol/cm2/sec) can "prime the pump," as it were, as opposed to full-on UV-B radiation for the whole growth cycle (or at least during flower), which affects yield. I interpret that to mean that adding CMH/MH during veg and most of the flowering phase will benefit from a late application of high fluence rates of UV-B to one's crop. But that is just a best guess on my part and not all that relevant to this thread anyway.

Short and to the point.
The Chemical Ecology of Cannabis, D.W. Pate
http://www.hempfood.com/Iha/iha01201.html

Biochemical and Molecular Genetic Aspects of Floral Scents
http://www.plantphysiol.org/cgi/content/full/122/3/627

Floral Fragrance. New Inroads into an Old Commodity
http://www.plantphysiol.org/cgi/content/full/127/4/1383

It Takes a Garden. How Work on Diverse Plant Species Has Contributed to an Understanding of Flavonoid Metabolism
http://www.plantphysiol.org/cgi/content/full/127/4/1399

Flavonoid Biosynthesis. A Colorful Model for Genetics, Biochemistry, Cell Biology, and Biotechnology
http://www.plantphysiol.org/cgi/content/full/126/2/485

Biochemistry of Plant Volatiles
http://www.plantphysiol.org/cgi/content/full/135/4/1893

Plant Immunity: It’s the Hormones Talking, But What Do They Say?
http://www.plantphysiol.org/cgi/content/full/154/2/536

Flavonoids and Isoflavonoids: From Plant Biology to Agriculture and Neuroscience
http://www.plantphysiol.org/cgi/content/full/154/2/453



These three are more for reference:

UV-B Mediated Responses in Plants
http://www.plantphysiol.org/cgi/content/full/133/4/1420

This was written before a UV-B specific signaling component was discovered.
Stress Under the Sun: Spotlight on UV-B Responses
http://www.plantphysiol.org/cgi/content/full/132/4/1725

A UV-B-Specific Signaling Component Orchestrates Plant UV Protection
http://www.pnas.org/content/102/50/18225.full

hth

 

[guest396]

have no idea what the L means. don't know what it is or how it works.....

in my group of growers, we do side by sides very often. one of my boys noticed that the L's did big things to the end product. and through our own research, we have found that the additives or nutrients with lots of L ingredients, made the end product have much more smell and taste.....

have no idea if its directly related to cannabis or any other plant....

those i'm thinking maybe the aminos. what are you running for nutes krunch, AN???

 

[Indian Culture]

Great read, thanks guys

 

[!!!]

"Organic" bud might be different just because people who grow organic mix a whole bunch of different stuff together, and there's beneficial microbes fixing and releasing a lot of things into the medium as well. In hydro, for example in a sterile res, you only have exactly what you add, usually the dozen or so essential nutrients/trace elements the plant needs. Nothing complex, which may (or may not) have an affect on aroma/potency. It might not hurt the plant, but it certainly wouldn't provide any advantages either.

If you're going this route in hydro (or a hydro medium like coco,) I suggest getting soluble kelp extract to add to your res. It contains Ascophyllum nodosum and a lot of other beneficial things that may (or may not!) help. (Expensive) products like Humboldt County's Own are just a mixture of Ascophyllum nodosum and B1 vitamins in various ratios. Snow Storm is primarily potassium.

My point is, give the plant everything it can use, and then rely on genetics to do the rest. Hydroponics may be lacking in this because if you're running a sterile res with lucas formula the entire grow, the plant may not be getting things that MAY be beneficial for growth.

messn'n'gommin's links are also worthwhile. Most reptile lights produce a lot of heat and must be very close to the plant to have any benefit. Keep this in mind. And just to add an anecdote, my friend's bare CMH bulb rapes my air cooled (glass covered) HPS in terms of THC production and aroma. This is not from any controlled experiments we did so I don't place much emphasis on it.

 

[vertigo0007]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Hi Folks,

There's a new terpene supplement product called Pan's Ink. You add a drop of it to your herb before smoking and it modifies and boosts the effects of your medicine. Perfect for those who want a consistent effect from their herb.

It could theoretically be used by itself in a vaporizer without any herb.

Check out: www.pans-ink.com.

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Syrinx [/FONT]

Stop spamming asshole

 

[tadez2000]

increasing terpene production........

increasing terpene production........

hello people. watched very interesting video on youtube from a guy calling himself the "Grow Pro". check it out. recommends 48 hours darkness in cold dark room. just so happens i watched right at harvest time, in tha winter, and have such a room in a corner of the basement. worked perfectly but i'm wondering if i'm not just psyching my high azz out. living a couple counties over from marion county ky, (cornbread mafia), i always noticed that the late summer/early fall crop always was more flavorable. i wonder if the cooler wheather is why?