New Grower...what's wrong with my plants (mosaic virus?, phosphors def?)

[Bgreenheadband]

Could anyone tell me what kind of water to buy? Drinking, Spring? does it matter?

 

[mr. b]

you need ro water, you will only have problem after problem using water that has gone through a water softner the salt is part of the problem and your ph is locking out nutes the plant needs, if your using a softner you must have hard water which can be more problems, i would go with 5.5 start and let it drift up to 6.0 before adjusting again this will give the plants a full range of available nutrients, jmho

 

[hydr1]

First and foremost...thank you for the replies.

hydr1.....im not quite sure what you mean by ph issues....do you mean my water is fine, and I am just phing the solution too low?
I understand what your chart is telling me, but how dont understand why different nute companies tell you to ph the solution lower (ie canna 5.2-6.2)


Also 5.2 was just a starting point. I fill my rez, which will be full at 30 gals, to about 15 gals. Add nutes, and then add water until my ppm is set, which USUALLY makes my ph about right at 5.2 or so.

The ph slowly rises throughout the week, and I only add ph down, if it gets much about 6.2..and then i only add enough to get it back down to about 5.5

Most recently when I followed the described procedure, my ph was only about 4.4 or so...so i added ph up to get it to 5.1 (thats what i was talking about when i said my well water's ph it seemed to be shifting)


Either way I am planning on doing my next rez change tomorrow, with store bought water (i am getting an ro machine soon), and will add the cal mag you suggested.
Other than that, just add my nutes and ph to about 5.5?

I have also heard to ph the water first, then add nutes, then re- ph? is this true?

what kind of water should i buy? drinking? spring? how soon will i see improvement?
anything else i should do?

thanks so much for the knowledge. knowing is half the battle

Use reverse osmosis water...because your local is unstable. So your starting with water that is stripped of everything and 7.0 ph...0 ppm.

Add nutes...water at 7.0 will prop get you to 5.2 again maybee. Some are against it but I use ph up to bring it to 5.8 or 5.6 and let it swing to 6.0 or 6.2

 

[SumDumGuy]

Use reverse osmosis water...because your local is unstable. So your starting with water that is stripped of everything and 7.0 ph...0 ppm.

Add nutes...water at 7.0 will prop get you to 5.2 again maybee. Some are against it but I use ph up to bring it to 5.8 or 5.6 and let it swing to 6.0 or 6.2

I'm with Hydr1 on this bro. But I'd get an R/O unit because buying water gets expensive fast. Also remember that with an R/O water you will have to supplement the Cal/Mag. R/O unlike regular tap has no secondary nutrients.

 

[kilobyter]

looks like old ph damage and then lock out, whats top growth like? ph should be 5.6-6.0...also you didnt mention medium or RH (or i missed it)
I have had similair problems on early growth with light intensity and changing environment too hot with multiple lights and RH is too low 20-30RH ...too much too soon

also if using pebbles/hydroton ...did you give them a GOOD rinse and run nute in the system before plants entered? i find this helps to stablise the system and saturate the medium and if any probs you can correct whilst plants not in system and not damaging the plants... all the best

 

[Budmentor]

If you're putting your water through a water softener that uses salt, I would have to say the plants are taking up sodium in place of potassium. K deficency will disrupt many different proccesses in the plant. Try cheap bottled water on one for a week using a high p/k fertilizer. Then you will know. K deficency won't improve on damaged leaves nor will foliar spraying K. Soil drench @5.7-6.2 with a complete fertilizer (any hydro fert).

 

[Bgreenheadband]

If you're putting your water through a water softener that uses salt, I would have to say the plants are taking up sodium in place of potassium. K deficency will disrupt many different proccesses in the plant. Try cheap bottled water on one for a week using a high p/k fertilizer. Then you will know. K deficency won't improve on damaged leaves nor will foliar spraying K. Soil drench @5.7-6.2 with a complete fertilizer (any hydro fert).

Im actually using hydroton with the CAP hydro buckets system, so i cant really isolate them.

 

[Bgreenheadband]

Use reverse osmosis water...because your local is unstable. So your starting with water that is stripped of everything and 7.0 ph...0 ppm.

Add nutes...water at 7.0 will prop get you to 5.2 again maybee. Some are against it but I use ph up to bring it to 5.8 or 5.6 and let it swing to 6.0 or 6.2

I have heard to PH twice.......once before nutes to around 5.5, and then after to get it back to 5.5.......but id rather use the nutes to drop the ph...id rather not add so much ph up and down to it

 

[hydr1]

Dude....get your ph of your nutes you feed or anywater you use between 5.5 and 6.0

Just once...

Did you get r/o water? Did you flush the plants with water like I told ya?

Here's the deal....you were feeding too low ph. Wherever you got 5.2 you fucked that up.
your starting water was fucked too...soooo

You were supposed to obtain good r/o water. flush the medium with 5.8 water untill the runoff came out to 5.8

Then let the medium dry out.

After a day of being bone dry, feed the plants with a 600ppm solution at 5.8 ph

After a week if you haven't destroyed these plants you should bounce back