We Could Be Using a Lot More Plants to Grow Our Plants

[CannaExists]

We should be using a lot more plants to grow our plants!

We have learned a lot here in this OrganicCannaForum. Many of us are evolving beyond the linear "NPK" mindset, where we would merely try to satisfy the plants needs of the three MacroNutrients. Plants are biochemical factories, with a lot more going on than NitrogrenPhosphorousPotassium. Alfalfa and Kelp have powerful growth stimulating hormones, as a quick example of their non-NPK contributions. Of course, those are just a couple of beneficial components we know about. The magic that composes plants - foliage, flowers, fruits - is so complex, we can barely even begin to understand it. Tomatoes have been estimated to have 10,000 phytochemicals alone.

A beautiful Heirloom Tomato


If you can grow a StellarPlant using not much other than Alfalfa and Kelp, imagine the power you can tap into using Cucumbers, Pumpkins, Tomatoes, Berries, all kinds of Herbs and Flowers!

Would adding blueberries to your soil mix enhance your BlueberryYumYum's flavor?

The overlooked, noble Dandelion


Wild Herbs, like Stinging Nettle and Dandelion, have incredibly rejuvenating, health promoting properties - extremely nourishing to plants and humans. Most of us have Dandelion growing in our yards. Harvest some Dandelion leaves and flowers, dry and crush them, and mix them into your soil for a Godly amendment.

To help get your imagination going, here are some Green Beans and Tomatoes that I dried in my dehydrator. I will pulverize them in my blender, add them to a soil mix, and watch my plants cry tears of joy.

Some dried Green Beans and Tomatoes, ready to powder and use as excellent soil amendments

Use a variety of plants to grow your plants, expect to be mystified by the results.

 

[redneck shogun]

It's a crazy world we have here with life feeding on life. Life must be more complex than we even now realize. I think of cannabis as a plant with the power to plant a psychic seed. I never think as deeply about my own existence as I do with sacred plants.

 

[jaykush]

i prefer to use leafy green plants to feed my plants, vegetable matter imo is best used to feed some worms.

 

[terry the trich]

Are the dehydrated vegetables safe to mix in with the soil? I'm just wondering if they might rot in the plant pot and have some bad effects? I was crumbling up dead MJ leaves and sprinkling on the surface of the soil, but ive stopped doing that because i didnt know if it was wise or not. If it is safe i will definately carry on doing it again, but i stopped before because i just didnt know. And yeah stinging nettles are just everywhere, along with a ton of other wild herbs/plants such as garlic mustard, wild cabbage and brambles (blackberry) to name just a few...

Weeds feeding weeds

Peace, Tel...

 

[huntingbb]

CHECKING IN- this makes perfect sense.

The plants being fed to the plants have already done the 'hard' work of absorbing enough energy to build things with the soil and nutes around then, and are essentially pre-processed food for plants - sorta like a sugar for humans but way better.

 

[jaykush]

Are the dehydrated vegetables safe to mix in with the soil?

better to do a top dressing with the dehydrated powdered veggies.

I'm just wondering if they might rot in the plant pot and have some bad effects?

with soil decomposition is the giver of life. rot is good.

I was crumbling up dead MJ leaves and sprinkling on the surface of the soil, but ive stopped doing that because i didnt know if it was wise or not. If it is safe i will definately carry on doing it again, but i stopped before because i just didnt know

your good no worries, just dont add like 5 inches at once.

And yeah stinging nettles are just everywhere, along with a ton of other wild herbs/plants such as garlic mustard, wild cabbage and brambles (blackberry) to name just a few...

sounds like you have everything you need all around you. keep the blackberries out of the compost though.

 

[terry the trich]

Thankyou jay, and yeah dont want blackberry seeds germing in the pot lol. I meant the leaves really but i guess boiled blackberry seeds wont germinate. I'll start adding plant material to my pots once again.

Peace, Tel...

 

[hisser]

What about fresh coconut water? it contains natural Auxins and Cytokinins.

 

[huntingbb]

What about fresh coconut water? it contains natural Auxins and Cytokinins.

sounds like an energy drink for plants

 

[jaykush]

Thankyou jay, and yeah dont want blackberry seeds germing in the pot lol. I meant the leaves really but i guess boiled blackberry seeds wont germinate. I'll start adding plant material to my pots once again.

its actually the stems you have to worry about, small pieces can take root and grow. its a real invasive plant around here. you dont have to worry about the leaves.

 

[Ribsauce]

hmmm this has me thinking kinda along the same lines of jaykush... id prolly rather stick to grasses and legumes but we dont really use many other than alfalfa and a few others...i mean i know alfalfa is one of the most nutrient rich from feeding out livestock but what about doing a mix of alfalfa, barley, timothy hay, wheat, red and white clover, orchard grass, rye...there's so many different kinds that i already have access to for cheap and in bulk...any thoughts on that??

 

[Scrappy4]

Don't forget feeding this stuff to our worms too........scrappy

 

[jaykush]

i find leafy plants in general work best. specially weeds and various herbs. trees not so much or shrubs either. flowers are good for extracts as well.

and like scrappy says, when you strain out the plant material. add it to the worm bin they will love it.

ps: those dried tomatoes look like they would be much better in some pasta or pizza than on some soil lol.

 

[terry the trich]

I agree, those tomatoes would be a lot nicer to eat than to give to the plants. I think i would end up eating them all and the plants would miss out on them lol

 

[terry the trich]

Whats the score with poisonous plant matter such as datura leaf? and also tomato plant leaves and stems? I've avoided using those in case the poisons were to be absorbed by the plants.

 

[BobLoblaw]

These guys make fertilizer from food waste:
http://www.convertedorganics.com/

 

[jaykush]

Whats the score with poisonous plant matter such as datura leaf? and also tomato plant leaves and stems? I've avoided using those in case the poisons were to be absorbed by the plants.

i would stay clear of datura as far as anything that ends up on the leaf. that being said i highly doubt though that the toxins would go from the plant to the extract to the soil to our cannabis and into our lungs. there are thousands of other plants and natural materials to turn to before using toxic plants.

 

[apep]

I agree with Jaykush on the use of the leafy green plants. Personally Ive found that using too many fruits and vegetables can led to an excess of potassium, which kinda throws things outa whack, causing problems with the uptake of other nutrients. For me it was magnesium, but it can screw up calcium uptake also. I save the fruits and veggies for compost and the occasional plant extract.

 

[jaykush]

if someone was persistent with a liquid, fruits and solids would be better suited a for an extract with EM( or lacto bacillus culture) in it. put through a blender first, and not so much water. dilute well before application.

the best use for solids is just your little friends the worms. turn it into some black gold which is better than any plant extract.

that being said don't forget seeds, flowers, petals, pollen, roots, stems, rhizomes and a few other parts of plants that nature offers. all contain a different set of nutrients, minerals and plant specific chemicals. what the hydro store/nursery supply on there shelf's is nothing compared to what nature provides.

 

[CannaExists]

Lots to reply here here! Love the love! I'll try my best.

Are the dehydrated vegetables safe to mix in with the soil? I'm just wondering if they might rot in the plant pot and have some bad effects? I was crumbling up dead MJ leaves and sprinkling on the surface of the soil, but ive stopped doing that because i didnt know if it was wise or not. If it is safe i will definately carry on doing it again, but i stopped before because i just didnt know. And yeah stinging nettles are just everywhere, along with a ton of other wild herbs/plants such as garlic mustard, wild cabbage and brambles (blackberry) to name just a few...

Weeds feeding weeds

Peace, Tel...

Dehydrated vegetables are definitely safe.. especially greens, as jaykush said, he's doing a good job of holding down this thread, props jay, you're truly a mentor to me. And trich I'm digging your thinking, with all the different wild obscure weeds, including garlic mustard, I've never tried her with growing but I love her in a salad! A green with that garlic effect, and a hint of mustard? Love it!

What about fresh coconut water? it contains natural Auxins and Cytokinins.

Haha good luck getting that coconut water to the plants. I would drink it first!

hmmm this has me thinking kinda along the same lines of jaykush... id prolly rather stick to grasses and legumes but we dont really use many other than alfalfa and a few others...i mean i know alfalfa is one of the most nutrient rich from feeding out livestock but what about doing a mix of alfalfa, barley, timothy hay, wheat, red and white clover, orchard grass, rye...there's so many different kinds that i already have access to for cheap and in bulk...any thoughts on that??

I love your way of thinking, have fun with whatever you can access, every breed of legume or grass or whatever has its own unique properties to bring to the table, by all means have the best fun ever.

I agree, those tomatoes would be a lot nicer to eat than to give to the plants. I think i would end up eating them all and the plants would miss out on them lol

Hahaha, you bet I love drying fresh locally grown tomatoes and making them into a delicious sauce, however I'm looking to resist the temptation and see how the tomatoes work as a plant amendment, it will be fun at the least... and at best the lycopene content will cause the plants to EXPLODE in growth.

the best use for solids is just your little friends the worms. turn it into some black gold which is better than any plant extract.

that being said don't forget seeds, flowers, petals, pollen, roots, stems, rhizomes and a few other parts of plants that nature offers. all contain a different set of nutrients, minerals and plant specific chemicals. what the hydro store/nursery supply on there shelf's is nothing compared to what nature provides.

Abso-super-lutely! Worms are the best processors of organic matter ever and, whether processed by these magicians of the soil or not, its absolutely essential, for the sake of your imagination and creativity, to have fun experimenting with every part of the plant EVER, leafs roots shoots flowers pollen whatever, and of course always do as much research as you can, to learn whats already learned, and of super-course have FUN! And remember that most everything that matters comes free.

Love you guys n' gals (yeah gals hit me up I'm single), Much Love N' Respect, CannaWillForeverExist'n'Persist