THE GROW OFF: CALI HAZE VS MAX GOM VS LA BLANCA

[skotty]

Hey mate!
One thing i personally notice with the VitaLinkMax is the N content, its bloody high & judging by the dark green colour you have bro your in the same boat. My ideas are to reduce that base rate EC & increase the Bloom Booster(PK) EC during the latter stages(last 3 week of feeds). Thats my only critism of VitaLinkM<, its N is too high during the latter stages & this needs addressing. I like GHRipen, it has no N at all & is a great finisher. I been thinking about using Overdrive too, its only 1% N so im considering it, but ill defo be using GHRipen, For a Bloom Stimulator im using CannaBoost Accelarator(which has its own Carbs) & im inpowering it with AN Hammerhead this time, trying something different, crumbs the trich formation is sick. Im running Si(Budlink) along side it too & Cannazym for extra food/Carb/Sugar production. Let me know what you think of the Overdrive skotty? i might have a play with it.
Great looking plants bro, just watch that N in that Vita mate! Ive been thinking of going with a full compliment of micros & a PK booster only in the final stages to completely get rid of all N in the latter stages. I also wanted to reduce the P, which is why i went with the hammerhead! 0/4/8 new formula & im happy so far. day 38ish(i think). still looking to clear 15-17 ozcar of Primo dried offa a 400w HPS! 12 weeks total grow time, 4 plants! things look on-schedual!
Good Luck Skotty!

btw, i havent noticed a loss in yield keeping things slightly on the lean side, letting EC drift down & PH up(slowly), if anything i get better yields when i run my rig this way. plants always stay healthier. imo you can only lose yield pushing things beyond their limits!

mate wtf i knew all along something wasnt right about this grow and i think you have just nailed it,

i was using canna and getting good results with my old system but i switched to vitalink max this time for flowering and it just hasnt happened as such, my la blanca is on the vitalink max grow and she is fooking loving that stuff but the vitalinki max bloom is lacking somewhere, bearing in mind im only using vitalink max bloom and carboload + buddy so ive checked and compared the npk ratio of canna and vitalink max

canna aqua npk 6-2-8
vita link max npk 10:9:19

to me it looks like canna has a lower npk ration but does a much better job and i did state early on in this thread that my setup is dialled in on every level except something was missing from my setup to increase bud size and i thought it was a bloom booster but in fact i need to get a better flowering formula that works or revert back to canna for flowering and vita link max for veg

although i added hammerhead the new formula to my flowering it didnt make much difference to the grow im thinking i would of had better results with canna pk13/14 instead because it has a higher pk ratio, also on a side note since i have added overdrive my buds have started to increase i just wish that i had known this at the begining of the flowering stage as ive spent the last weeks missing out on some explosive bud growth due to wrong npk ratios

the fact that vitalink max has a higher n ratio could also explain as to why maxi is taking longer to finish because instead of getting proper budding nutrients she is still getting high nitrogen which is for growth this would also explain the high ec levels she reached because she needed more of the vitalink max in order to get the correct dosage of p and k whilst still having high n which she didnt need???

and on another note i have used nearly a whole litre of a + b grow on just maxi i think im gonna switch back to canna for la blanca as i know that can produce nice buds and just use carboload and pk 13/14 and tease some overdrive in there

i have a bottle of ripen sitting right next to me it says to run it @ 1.4 ec and it acts as a stress stimulant to force the plants to finish early, ive seen grows with this being used and it makes all the leaves turn purple and gold etc etc but i dont wanna jeporadise any of her flavour by doing it and force her to finish early

as far a vitalink max goes then yeah it may work well in some systems but the amount of additives needed to balance it out is a bit much and could get exspensive with the bloom feed however the vita link grow is good, but ive gotta say that canna does a much better job as a base nute from my experince

 

[skotty]

ive made a desicion that im gonna switch back to canna aqua in my dwc setup as ive always had good results with it and its never let me down, so im going to the local ponics shop tomorrow to stock up

as for maxi, ive hit her with overdrive and her buds are starting to fatten up but it might be to little to late in terms of getting her to true potenial but i have never seen so much frost on a plant before she is literally dripping with trich production, if there is any growers out there following this thread then i highly recommemed carbo load or molasses from the start of flowering to the end for some insane crystals, i absoloutley swear by the stuff and you only need a bit

as far as vitalink max goes its been a bit of a let down for me in terms of producing well or as good as it could of been so i can put this down to a lesson learnt and if something isnt broke dont try and fix it

moving onto la blanca, after 10 weeks in veg in hydro you can imgine what i am faced with she is alomost as tall as maxi and i havent even flowered her yet, so with my space and her size im not gonna be able to finish her off unless i lose at least the top 1/3 of her but i think this might have a massive impact on her sexuality and cause some major stress,
im faced with a big decision on wether or not to give her a trim or to pull the plug on her and start again with some fresh seeds and back to my old canna way of things, im thinking of doing a hbd alongside sour 60 hydro style as i fancy some blueberry style smoke


ill get some pics up tomoz of both plants in full shot so you can see where im at with maxi and her diamonds and the task i face with la blanca,

and a side note to myself "wait for other people to try out new strains 1st "

peace

 

[uptosumpn]

I feel ya...but otherwise than that..great info and learning tool for all....THANKS! I haved learned a lot from this grow...so in that.. it "still" is a successful grow.....

 

[nealcook420]

If its either lase a 3rd or cut it all I would try pruning her first because it doesn't really matter if it impacts her sexuality. If she hermi's than cut her cause you only have the 2 options but I would deff try to save her even if you do have to hack on her a bit the left over product will be better than no product.
I think that you grew some very nice plants, I'm not a huge fan of LED lighting but you have showed me that some good herb can be grown with LED. It seems to me that if growing strictly for personal/medical use than LED would be my pick but growing for yield and density I would have to go with HPS/MH HID lighting. The size and thickness of the buds are lacking but Trichome production is way higher with LED, So my opinion is that LED lighting is "Quality over Quanity".
Good job man rep +...

 

[skotty]

If its either lase a 3rd or cut it all I would try pruning her first because it doesn't really matter if it impacts her sexuality. If she hermi's than cut her cause you only have the 2 options but I would deff try to save her even if you do have to hack on her a bit the left over product will be better than no product.
I think that you grew some very nice plants, I'm not a huge fan of LED lighting but you have showed me that some good herb can be grown with LED. It seems to me that if growing strictly for personal/medical use than LED would be my pick but growing for yield and density I would have to go with HPS/MH HID lighting. The size and thickness of the buds are lacking but Trichome production is way higher with LED, So my opinion is that LED lighting is "Quality over Quanity".
Good job man rep +...

cheers for the advice guys

there is more to growing than just lights, nutrients play a massive role especially in dwc and some nutes perform better than others as i have found out this grow, i may just cut my loses and revert back to a nutrient line that i know works and start from the ground up again

pics to follow

 

[Seedling]

Wow, the maxi looks amazing! The last picture you posted is out of this world. Keep up the good work, sending some karma over hoping she will fill up soon.

 

[skotty]

day 75 maxi

well this girl should be finished now but is gonna take a couple of weeks extra, her current feed is overdrive mainly with a little vitalink max base nute and she is sitting @ 1.4 ec ph 5.8 this is gonna be her final feed before i flush her out and cut her down

la blanca is crazy big not a true autoflower in any sense of the word and needs more work on her to get her to become a proper auto flower unless attitude seed bank fuked up again and sent out normal strain seeds instead of the auto version i do not know?? even the cali haze didnt represent what it was supposed to

anyways heres the latest installment of pics


la blanca in veg

maxi

 

[skotty]

 

[Scrogerman]

Hey Bro,
No the Vita isnt that strong, i see where your going wrong in places. Your adding the values of both bottles, it is a little confusing i suppose but if you read the bottles carefully it does say 'Total' its real NPK value is half of what your saying bro. 5/4.6/9.6 is the correct value of the Vita Bloom. The other issue bro & i think youve not done it is Vita is designed for RO water really, your supposed to add on your tap EC to your starting value, ie- if your tap is EC 0.2 you add that on in your head after you take your mixed value EC(solution), say thats 1.0, the EC is really 1.2. Have you been doing this bro? Also whats the EC of your top up solutions(remember to add your tap value EC to give your actual value aswell)?, it works just great with normal tap as long as you add your starting tap EC, I thought you EC's looked too high & i also thought it was strange your girls are still hungry at EC 1.8, i think your top-up solutions was throwing you off here. see ill go with a value of say EC 0.8(actual 1.0) & add-back is 1/8th to 1/4 strength(EC0.2-0.4 approx). I think if you'd of gone weaker with your change out solution & stronger with your addbacks, things would of balanced & you wouldnt of been getting false values/readings with your solutions. see with the Canna its different & easier to handle or understand. Does any of this ring any bells bro? or make any sense to you. I did say those EC's were silly high for DWC but it just dawned on me what you may or may not have been doing, i may be wrong but this is how it looks to me,/
Im a bit gutted that you've given up on the Vita before really getting to the bottom of things, it was me who put you onto it after all, sorry man, i wasnt to know it was gonna be like this.
heres a link to the Hydrogarden/Vitalinkmax site, pdf instruction etc. remember this stuff was designed for UK water unlike Canna, i just think you aint got the line dialled-in yet bro, still saying everything ive said, if your having results with the Canna then switch back & be done with, your results with that stuff were stella.
I think this has been you problem with Bud-swellage all along, my point is sort of visible in the Tip Burn, first sign of Overfert. Oh well bro i just hope ive helped you work this shit out some, heres a link to the site!:http://www.vitalink.eu/en/_range/vitalink_max.htm
G'Luck buddy im a bit gutted for ya man. Or have i got this all wrong do you think??

Sick Trich formation btw bro, something seems to be working well.

Yeah thinking on, Tip-Burn(obviously from overfeed) yet the plants ask for more, somethings amiss there bro! sort of points that way imo! Deep colour is a giveaway too, & a couple of other little indications!

 

[skotty]

Hey Bro,
No the Vita isnt that strong, i see where your going wrong in places. Your adding the values of both bottles, it is a little confusing i suppose but if you read the bottles carefully it does say 'Total' its real NPK value is half of what your saying bro. 5/4.6/9.6 is the corretc value of the Vita Bloom. The other issue bro & i think youve not done it is Vita is designed for RO water really, your supposed to add on your tap EC to your starting value, ie- if your tap is EC 0.2 you add that on in your head after you take your mixed value EC(solution), say thats 1.0, the EC is really 1.2. Have you been doing this bro? Also whats the EC of your top up solutions(remember to add your tap value EC to give your actual value aswell)? I thought you EC's looked too high & i also thought it was strange your girls are still hungry at EC 1.8, i think your top-up solutions was throwing you off here. see ill go with a value of say EC 0.8(actual 1.0) & add-back is 1/8th to 1/4 strength(EC0.2-0.4 approx). I think if you'd of gone weaker with your change out solution & stronger with your addbacks, things would of balanced & you wouldnt of been getting false values/readings with your solutions. see with the Canna its different & easier to handle or understand. Does any of this ring any bells bro? or make any sense to you. I did say those EC's were silly high for DWC but it just dawned on me what you may or may not have been doing, i may be wrong but this is how it looks to me/
Im a bit gutted that youve given up on the Vita before really getting to the bottom of things, it was me who put you onto it after all, sorry man, i wasnt to know it was gonna be like this.
heres a like to the Hydrogarden/Vitalinkmax site, pdf instruction etc. remember this stuff was designed for UK water unlike Canna, i just think you aint got the line dialled-in yet bro, still saying everything ive said, if your having results with the Canna then switch back & be done with, your results with that stuff were stella.
I think this has been you problem with Budswellage all along, my point is sort of visible in the Tip Burn, first sign of Overfert. Oh well bro i just hope ive helped you work this shit out some, heres a link to the site!:http://www.vitalink.eu/en/_range/vitalink_max.htm
G'Luck buddy im a bit gutted for ya man. Or have i got this all wrong do you think??

Sick Trich formation btw bro, something seems to be working well.

i took the npk ratio for vitalink max from http://www.growell.co.uk/p/1450/Vita-Link-Max-Hydroponic-Nutrient.html

i was always doing fresh res changes up until the last few weeks where she was to big to move out of the grow room, my starting ec of the tapwater is always taken into consideration ill use it as a staring point and then add to this the nutrients to make it up to the desired level, for instance tap water background ec .4 i will add equal amount of nutirents a + b untill it dispalys 1.8 ec making the strength of the mix 1.4ec + my backgorund ec, tap water conatins calcium and magnesium which is beneficial to the plants if you use r/o water then you have to add this back into you mix, canna has low cal/mag and when used with my tap water it balances it out, how could i have done this any different??

as far as adding back nutrients it all depends on which way round the ec goes if the ec falls then i would increase the add back soloution if it rises (which has never happened through the entire grow) then i would just add ph water,, the only downside to this is that you dont know for certain what the plants are actually drinking so you could end up with a to much of 1 nutrient in the res and cause toxic build up which is why i always prefer doing the full res change and monitor for any change in ec and ph, playing it safe the only time i would be worried about doing add backs is if i were growing in a scrog where i wouldnt be able to move my plants to do a full res change

how could i have got better results with vitalink ?? i was even following their grow chart and i think that also played a factor into me missing out the right time to give the plants the pk boost they needed, pk boost should be added when bud formation starts to develope not when fruits are formed at least thats what ive always done in the past

both canna and vitalink have different growing schedules and charts im sure both nutes will perform well but you have to take time to understand and master them, ive spent the last year growing with canna and gained a full understanding of what and how to use it and i thought i would give vitalink a go to see if there was any difference but it didnt pan out for me and i dont fancy spending another 6 months working out vitalinks secerts when i could be missing out on some better harvest

the trichs are all about the crabo load and i think canna alongside carbo load is gonna win me over all day long but ill find out next grow

sometimes its better the devil you know

that tip burn was there right from near the start of the grow it never got any better and it never got any worse so i just rolled with it, what do you mean about the colour of the leaves ??

 

[Scrogerman]

Growell are Full of shit bro & i wouldnt listen to a word they say, they are clueless these days, their old emploees knew there stuff though ill say that, they just want your money these days!
They have that NPK ratio completely wrong bro, not the only shit they get wrong, believe me, ive had to put there so called top tech people straight on numerious occassions & on various issues. See the Link i gave you, its the makers of Vita's site, who's right Growbullshitters or the manafacturers, Just one of the many things they have wrong, like i said i wouldnt listen to a word any of them say.
Anyway thats besides the point, its obvious im wrong then skotty sorry mate, sounds like you had it all under control, If the Canna is better for you & youve got to know it, i agree it is better the devil you know. just some ideas i had as to why you are running such a ridiculiously high EC in DWC & your saying your Buds are suffering & not swelling, i thought i was barking up the right tree but obviously not, just some ideas, yeah go with what you know bro! it has to be better! G'Luck matey!!

Oh sorry mate, the leaves, i meant the dark green colour, its a little rich imo!

sacked growell ages ago beacuse they no longer offer disscounts on things they used to, & they all full of shit, well 90% of them are anyway! took my business to the little caring hydro guy's that actually know what they are talking about lol! got my disscounts & continue to do so- regular!

 

[skotty]

Growell are Full of shit bro & i wouldnt listen to a word they say, they are clueless these days, their old emploees knew there stuff though ill say that, they just want your money these days!
They have that NPK ratio completely wrong bro, not the only shit they get wrong, believe me, ive had to put there so called top tech people straight on numerious occassions & on various issues. See the Link i gave you, its the makers of Vita's site, who's right Growbullshitters or the manafacturers, Just one of the many things they have wrong, like i said i wouldnt listen to a word any of them say.
Anyway thats besides the point, its obvious im wrong then skotty sorry mate, sounds like you had it all under control, If the Canna is better for you & youve got to know it, i agree it is better the devil you know. just some ideas i had as to why you are running such a ridiculiously high EC in DWC & your saying your Buds are suffering & not swelling, i thought i was barking up the right tree but obviously not, just some ideas, yeah go with what you know bro! it has to be better! G'Luck matey!!

Oh sorry mate, the leaves, i meant the dark green colour, its a little rich imo!

scrogger your input is always appreciated fella and sharing information is the only way we get to better our skills and by doing the hands on approach

im was tempted to try general hydroponics nutrients as people are screaming from the roof tops about that stuff and how well it does in dwc but unless you try these different nutes you will never know if things are better or worse, the only thing stoping me is that its 3 part formula and my local ponics shop dont stock it so id have to order it in

i think there is a sucsess story to be had with vitalink but its about finding the right combination to go with the base nutes imho, for example instead of using buddy i would of switched it for pk 13/14 that new hammerhead ratio is to low and advanced recommened that you can use it as a bloom fertiliser by its self maybe if id of increased the dosage of the hammer head and lowered the dosage of vitalink things may of been different but it would take a another grow to find out, id seriously have a look into getting some carboload though mate as its the tits and at least try it just once and see what you think,

overdrive, since adding the overdrive the buds have increased but i think its because ive added more p and k to the res as you already stated that vita was a bit weak so subsidising it with other nutes is more benificial, where as with canna its base nutes are quite strong so you only need to add a little to get more in return, if i had used overdrive earlier it may of paid off,

vitalink is a weak soloution base nute its the building block for you to add your own formulas to in order to get maximum results where as canna is a better foundation and a stronger nutrient where less is more approach is needed and by tweaking it a little you can get some good results,

this is just what i have learnt from this grow a good base nutrient is essential and i think canna provides this and you dont need to add much more in order to get results

vitalink max is a weaker soloution and you need to add more stuff to it in order to get maximum results i.e higher p k values in bloom from an alternative source like pk 13/14 or overdrive in bigger quantities to balance it out for the plants requirements, i beleive this is where i failed as i let the base nute do all the work and it wasnt up to the task

the reason for the high ec is because vita is so weak that she needed more of it to sustain her growth, she was crying out for a stronger feed which she showed in her leaves pointing straight upwards but i didnt realise at the time in fact i went in the opposite direction and decreased her feed after following vitas charts, i would never of got that high of an ec using canna, as stated you need to bulk up on other nutrients in order to get the best from vitalink max its to weak to sustian a full grow by itself

food for thought

 

[Scrogerman]

scrogger your input is always appreciated fella and sharing information is the only way we get to better our skills and by doing the hands on approach

im was tempted to try general hydroponics nutrients as people are screaming from the roof tops about that stuff and how well it does in dwc but unless you try these different nutes you will never know if things are better or worse, the only thing stoping me is that its 3 part formula and my local ponics shop dont stock it so id have to order it in

maybe if id of increased the dosage of the hammer head and lowered the dosage of vitalink things may of been different but it would take a another grow to find out, id seriously have a look into getting some carboload though mate as its the tits and at least try it just once and see what you think,

Why didnt you do this, i thought this was exactly what you were going to do & certainly what id recommend, always lower your base EC & increase your PK Boost, add in low dose at start of flower formation & up PK as weeks pass at same time lowering base EC to balance & put EC where you want it, at the right NPK ratio for the stage of growth.
Mad for adding Budcandy i am but its too expensive, its just Carbo & sweet mixed aint it! Theres Mollasses/Sugar Carbs in the CannaBoostAccelrator but i do want to add more, Carbo may be my only option as its cheaper! Cheers mate!

overdrive, since adding the overdrive the buds have increased but i think its because ive added more p and k to the res as you already stated that vita was a bit weak so subsidising it with other nutes is more benificial, where as with canna its base nutes are quite strong so you only need to add a little to get more in return, if i had used overdrive earlier it may of paid off,

I wanna try the Overdrive, but ill be going with GHRipen this time to finish off, i love the way it'll finish off mutiple Phenos all at the same time, & this is my experience with it & my present scenario, with 2 different Phenos, i can clearly see they are gonna have slightly different finishing times, not by much, a week to 10 days, but the Ripen will bring them all right into line & they will do as they are told, i know how to keep em smiling.

vitalink is a weak soloution base nute its the building block for you to add your own formulas to in order to get maximum results where as canna is a better foundation and a stronger nutrient where less is more approach is needed and by tweaking it a little you can get some good results,

Canna's good stuff bro, easier to use compared to the Vita for sure, i do think very highly of all there lines that ive used, i remember the Canna Classic whey back when, before Substra/Hydro, ive used all their Hydro ferts & always loved em, ill use them again im sure, i was using Terra for soil earlier in the year, good stuff too.

this is just what i have learnt from this grow a good base nutrient is essential and i think canna provides this and you dont need to add much more in order to get results

Agreed, i use the Vita a bit different from you bro from what ive seen but you still did ok with it, first time, to be fair, it is harder to use than the Canna. Ive grown with just Canna Substra, PK & H2o2(Oxy+) & got 'great results', what can i say, it was mustard poo for sure.

vitalink max is a weaker soloution and you need to add more stuff to it in order to get maximum results i.e higher p k values in bloom from an alternative source like pk 13/14 or overdrive in bigger quantities to balance it out for the plants requirements, i beleive this is where i failed as i let the base nute do all the work and it wasnt up to the task

the reason for the high ec is because vita is so weak that she needed more of it to sustain her growth, she was crying out for a stronger feed which she showed in her leaves pointing straight upwards but i didnt realise at the time in fact i went in the opposite direction and decreased her feed after following vitas charts, i would never of got that high of an ec using canna, as stated you need to bulk up on other nutrients in order to get the best from vitalink max its to weak to sustian a full grow by itself

food for thought

Ill be back to edit this bro, gotta fly, Cheers for now!

 

[skotty]

yes mate, my first time using vitalink and i had to get a feel for it and figure out how it works

im not sure what combo you use but i have a theory of what would work with vita link

vitalink max (base nutrient)
rhizotonic (roots)
carbo load (flavour and insane trich production)
pk 13/14 for 3 weeks at lower dosage when buds first start to form (bud swellage)
followed by overdrive ( big finish)


hammerhead as an alternative to pk13/14, increase hammerhead dosage and lower the amount of vitalink base bloom nutes throughout the flowering stage ( full flowering regiime and drop the overdrive, keep pumping up the amount of hammerhead and lowering the base nute untill finish)

flush

id guess that the above would be a killer combo as it has everything you need for a good harvest

im trying to keep spending to a minimum and results high so my method is

canna aqua (base)
rhizo (roots)
carboload (tatse and insane trich production)
pk 13/14 (bud swellage)
overdrive if needed (big finish)
flush

to be fair you could also implement the hammerhead regime into the canna flowering and drop the pk 13/14 and overdrive aslo and i think the hammerhead would balance out nicely with cannas base nutes
the thing with canna is the base nute is strong enough to pull off a nice grow on its own and you would only need smaller amounts of the other additives to balance it out

as far as a bloom boost goes ive dropped it altogether and gone with carboload in liquid form, its cheap as chips and does everything budcandy and canna boost do for 1/2 the price and you get more for your money

thoughts and suggestions please

 

[skotty]

ponderland

i need some advice from hps growers as regards to light distances from the plant??

my last 2 grows with my led panel has resulted in better buds on the lower half of my plants whch brings me on to my question...

do plants have a light saturation point ????

by this i mean do cannabis plants have a point were to much light is bad for them, in my current grow maxi has had the light at most 8"-9" maybe closer from her top half and i failed to see any big colas up top but the 1s lower down are looking nice and think it may be caused by to much light ??

im not sure if this applies to hps lights aswell were you can have them to close to your plants and it will effect their growth?

im almost certain there is growing guides for hps lights i.e 400 watt and 600 watt distance charts but are these charts made because of the heat from hps or because of their light saturation points??

if anybody can shed some light on this (haha) or has a better understanding of light distances and stauration points id be gratefull for any feedback

 

[killerweed31]

oh shit man...wtf """ these nuggets are full trik's covered , should be a serious tasty man!!
great work you do with auto's, keep this up!!

 

[smokinweedgi]

i thought the leds lights have to be over a certain distance away so the spectrums can mix, if you know what i mean ,ive read some journals recentally that are running the leds over 12 inch some up to 18 inch away from top of plants with very good results maybe u wanna back the light off to at least 12 inch away so the spectrums can mix cant think of anything else ,couldnt be strain related could it?

im just setting up my first led grow but from research ive done im planning on having led light no closer than 12 inch away

 

[fhspolo16]

LEDGirl would be needed to give exact figures and i can't search for the answer due to the HydroGrow portion being taken down but I remember reading something about the 345 needing to be at least 12 inches away due to light saturation issues.

 

[20/4]

MMMM im loving that maxi! ...a smoke report will deff be needed... Its just like the longer flowering pheno of dieselryderXG13haze i have going... Its like a huge bush and is gonna take around 90 days im guessing but i think its gonna pay off! Maybe yield 1-2 ounces im hoping... Man if i were you i woulda had to cross something with that maxi to bring down the flowering time but keep the HIGH level of thc... Good job though bro... cant wait to see your Grams per watt with that light!

Cheers bro, keep up that good DWC work!

 

[skotty]

thanks for the replies everyone, im gonna experiment next time and try and keep the light at 18" above the plants throughout the grow and see what happens,

20/4... maxi is ready to be harvested the breeders say she is ready in 70 - 75 days which is pretty spot and i could take her now as her trichs are mostly cloudy ,it really depends how you like your smoke but im going for about 50/50 or 60/40 amber/cloudy trich mix so its gonna take me a little longer to finish off, i wanna get the best possible smoke from her and her final flush will start next week, also gpw on the led panel aint really fair this round as im still dialing in,ive used a nutrient that ive never tried before and its my 1st full grow with the light i think it will be a few more grows before i can get maximum results from my setup, however id settle for 60g + as her buds are pretty tight

also if i was going for gpw i wouldnt be trying to achive it with autos it would have to be a regular strain vegged for at least 4 weeks then flowered, i do have some nice chronic seeds and the church seeds in my fridge which are supposed to be heavy yielding but i aint breaking out any of my regs untill im 100% dialled in with my current setup

im not sure about her trich coverage but i think its the carboload as this is meant to increase the plants oils etc ?? however ill hopefully be able to do the same again next round, every grow i learn something new