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The Pendulum Swings Back

Tony Aroma

Let's Go - Two Smokes!
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Today is a sad day for the fight against prohibition. Not only was California’s Proposition 19 soundly defeated, but medical cannabis initiatives in three other states failed as well. Even in Arizona, where medical cannabis had already passed twice before. I hate to say it, but I think the pro-cannabis pendulum is now on its way back to the prohibition side. And I’m afraid it will swing pretty far the other way before coming back around again.

If you want to know what’s in store for the future, you just have to look to the past. Anybody remember the 1970s and 1980s? Back in the 1970s, things were starting to look pretty bleak for prohibition. Over 20 states had passed medical cannabis legislation. Many others decriminalized cannabis. But then in the 1980s, things changed. The Republicans took over, and every single one of those medical cannabis programs was either repealed or never implemented. Even the federal government’s own medical program was discontinued. It wasn’t until 1996 that the pendulum started swinging back to the pro-cannabis side again.

I predict the same will happen all over again starting now. In 2012 Republicans will once again control the country. They will be stoked by yesterday’s defeat of Proposition 19 and the other medical initiatives. And why shouldn’t they be? The voters have spoken, and told them that prohibition is what they want. Of course, the politicians knew all along that being pro legalization was political suicide, and this just confirms it. And their fears that medical cannabis was just a first step toward full legalization have also been confirmed. So it will be full steam ahead for prohibition in the years to come.

What can we expect over the next 10 to 15 years? Here are my predictions:

  • No new medical cannabis legislation will pass.
  • No new decriminalization or legalization legislation will pass.
  • Medical cannabis programs in some states will either be repealed or drastically cut back.
  • Penalties for possession and other cannabis-related offenses will increase in some states, which will probably involve mandatory minimum sentences and/or three-strikes laws.
  • Arrests and imprisonment for cannabis offenses will increase across the country.
  • The same things will happen in Canada.

Sure, the Proposition 19 folks are giving things a positive spin, saying they’ll be back in 2012. But let’s face it. There will never be a legalization initiative that will please everybody. The existing black market and wild-west mentality are too deeply established. There's just too much money involved. The result will be what we have now: Constant bickering about the best way to go about ending prohibition without endangering the children or cutting into anybody's profits.

So check back here again in 10-15 years and see how accurate my predictions were. Around that time the pendulum should start swinging back again. The older folks who are the staunchest supporters of prohibition will be gone, and we might have a fighting chance. Then again, the younger voters will be older by then and worrying about the message they send to their children. Sadly, when many people become parents, that message becomes, "don't do what I did."
 
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Fantastic post.


However, with the current financial situation, which differs dramatically from the one 1980, I'm not sure that enforcement and imprisonment levels will be able to keep up with even the current situation, much less so if they increase penalties while repealing decriminalization and medical programs.

If things turn out how you have laid out, it will be as I always suspected: don't waste your time going to protests and rallies and voting; instead talk back with facts on the ground.

Overgrow those fuckers!!!

They'll never relent, and they'll take back any quarter they give in this war. But they're such lunatics, they've bankrupt themselves.

In other words, we will win, and its coming sooner than you think. :gday:
 

Cool Moe

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Veteran
c'mon tony, I understand being sad today but to give up on everything? Prop 19 opened the national discussion about the futility of prohibition. A new and improved Prop 19 will be back in 2012. Each year that passes will mean less and less of the tired old people with the money who control the vote. This one didn't go our way. So are you gonna retreat? Or reload?
 
C

Chamba

I totally agree Tony

If history repeats, this really could be the dawning of a new age of Cannabis oppression..I wonder how long it will take before they will wheel out old Nancy Reagan for another decade of Just say NO?
 

mr noodles

Member
The same things will happen in Canada.

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its already happening in canada

its very hard to even find a doctor who sign the paperwork and it dont work like cali at all . even if you have aids , ms,fibro name it....doctor dont sign your papers ...

we have less than 5000 legal patient in canada , most of the doctor who sigh paper do it for money and they will get caught soon or later ...one doctor is almost responsible for 90 % of ontario patient ...if he lost is license ....hundreds of peoples will be srewed up at the same time

they closed all the dispensary/compassion club in my province

many patient will get busted because their doctor dont sign anymore even with money bribe...and they find no doctor to sign the papers so they will be illegal and totally under the radar

plant # is restrictive as hell and they will pull the 5 x5 grow area for all patient later this year as stated by rob nicholson and is mmj reform because they dont like the 1000 w per plant people do to trick the low plant # . also they said they want the mmj thing to be temporary measure so they want to make it illegal to use marijuana for long period...just short period...

canada gov is the only entity entitled to sold marijuana legally in canada.....

they publicly said they want to phaze out home grow for legal mmj patient

we have a pending bill s-10 where 6 plant is a mandatory jail sentence of 6 months and you should see the rest of the bill

will be illegal to transform cannabis for edible, resin even if you have a mmj card ...


i forget some because its not all ...and it was so cool in canada not so long ago....

this is what california voted for last night , you gonna get served a hefty plate of cold shit by the prohibitionist and big pharm corp that want to sold pills at any cost .
 

Bacchus

Throbbing Member
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I give it 2 years before prop 215 in California is either reversed or dramatically scaled back :(
 

mr noodles

Member
I give it 2 years before prop 215 in California is either reversed or dramatically scaled back :(


2 years, thats generous...i expect a backfire in less than 6 months .

anyway sit back and watch (in disbelief) to the destruction of the whole mmj scene in cali .

all the new dirty trick they will pull in order to have plant # and restricted grow area will get back ...

dispensary will get busted one after one , coop will be busting big time .

doctor who brag to give mmj cards to anyone will be accused of wrong doing and drug dealing ...sanction against doctor will make the game different

those who are healthy might not be able to have a mmj card for pain in their hair or stupid thing like that ...
lots of folks will lose license and dea will knock the door at 5 am..

fighting all these crap will take time and money with little result , law enforcement have a clear mandate against you . voted by you

thats what i call irony

soon the cali gov will tell mmj is for sick people and nothing else ...the critera will change the game a lot ...just like in canada...no one wish that ...
 

CaptainTrips

Active member
I give it 2 years before prop 215 in California is either reversed or dramatically scaled back :(

It can only be reversed by a vote of the people, don't really see it happening. You yes on 19 are doing just what you accused the no voters. Fear mongering medical rights. If p19 was such a danger to medical rights, maybe Dlee shouldn't have put something on the ballot that had no chance of passing.
 

Bacchus

Throbbing Member
Veteran
It can only be reversed by a vote of the people, don't really see it happening. You yes on 19 are doing just what you accused the no voters. Fear mongering medical rights. If p19 was such a danger to medical rights, maybe Dlee shouldn't have put something on the ballot that had no chance of passing.
Not fear mongering, just trying to predict the future. Yes, you are right that it cannot be reveresed. But, the counties and cities now have ammunition to shutdown or curtail the licensing of the dispensaries and impose more restrictions. Look at what LA is already doing.
 

igrowone

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thoughtful thread, and it is a possibility
but i think we are in a post 19 funk, all looks to be darkness and ashes

NY may be some positive news this year, MMJ still a very real possibility
the NY senate composition may be the pivot point, close elections still not decided but composition may be favorable to MMJ passage
it did pass last year, vetoed by lame duck governor in a legislature feud that was unrelated to MMJ
keep your eyes on NY, we could restore some momentum
 
K

KnightRueben

Words cannot express my sheer disappointment, and ultimately rage, towards these midterm election results.

For me it's yet another sign that our country is ruled by corporations. My people are enslaved and they do not know it. Has our race lost all logic and rationality in its pursuit for shitty consumer goods?

WHEN DID SO MUCH FEAR creep into our hearts? Such pathetic, vile fear...a fear of not holding onto what we have today. Losing ourselves in the noble goal of trying to "make the world a better place for our kids." MEANWHILE we have corporations committing crimes WORSE THAN MURDER - I'm looking at you BP - yet they continue to operate AT A PROFIT thanks to our neighbors and brothers in (lack) of arms. SLOWLY bleeding our country dry, MORALLY even, guaranteeing our eventual downfall to literally line the pockets of a few men - YET WE DO NOTHING.

No, instead we rush to the polls to vote our way back to the good old days. Let's keep marijuana criminalized and lets definitely keep suckling off the teat of corporate America...while they morally bankrupt our country in the meantime committing unspeakable acts of horror for a few extra cents in their pockets.

No, criminalizing marijuana and restricting personal freedom should be our continued focus. Of course. No need to worry about BP and its fellow corporate brothers ravaging the America we're supposedly fighting to keep for our children down to it's last morsels of moral, social, and political capital.

BRAVO America.
 

Grendelkhan

Member
Sorry guys I don't agree. First off just because Rep won some seats this go around doesn't mean that they are going to win in 2012. Clinton had much the same thing happen to him and won easily for a second term. As to the state going crazy on medical users. The state is broke, the jails are overfilled, the cities are broke, the police forces are broke and being downsized and honestly there aren't enough jails to hold all the people that they would want to arrest. Plus do you really think that Oakland is just going to stop? They do make very good tax money from medical MJ and that isn't just going to stop. Lets not forget that Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown is in now too and Moonbeam is a smoker. Tony does have some points that could happen but I really do thing that its a worse case that your thinking of. Like others have said don't just give up. Be like the crazy far right and just put a new bill on the next election. They do it all the time with other bills why not do it with the MJ.
Peace.
 

ddrew

Active member
Veteran
. Like others have said don't just give up. Be like the crazy far right and just put a new bill on the next election. They do it all the time with other bills why not do it with the MJ.
Peace.
That's a good point, the nuts never give up do they?

We'll keep fighting then I guess.
 

Shcrews

DO WHO YOU BE
Veteran
I lived in california and i just smoked a joint in front of a cop.

i do it often

criminalized? ha please
 

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