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Will California Vote to Legalize in November 2010?!
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Here rives... this is actually funny to me as you've said you read every word I wrote in that thread... but anyway:
State laws in Alaska, Colorado, Georgia, Iowa, Indiana, Ohio, South Dakota, and Texas allow for parents to give their underage children alcoholic beverages.
The fact that I have read the whole thread in no way means that I have committed your drivel to memory. In my view at least, "buying" your children alcohol connotes something entirely different than allowing them some wine at dinner.
It's drivel is it?
I didn't mean to connote anything... I meant it literally.
Is your post supposed to connote doubt about my drivel?
Not in California. Prop 19 is for California.
Oh in that case, subvert anything I've said previous.
We are not talking about what we think is right...that is a whole other subject--
But in Cali, second hand smoke is a big deal-- It is already a $100 fine, if you smoke a cigg with an underage kid in the car....and it is just a matter of time before they figure out a way to do the same for your home--
There is no way this would pass, here in Cali, if they didn't make it as kid-safe, and limit some things the way they have--
I wish it was different...I really do, but it isn't--
So it's not vote for what you think is right as much as it is vote for what you think will pass?
I'd believe that if you told me so.
I'd believe that if you told me so.
That is pretty accurate-- All Laws are made from "Compromise"--
It would be silly to put the time and $$ needed, into a Prop that you loved...but had no chance of passing--
As for what I believe?? I believe I will continue to do whatever I want...whether this passes or not-- I am not even voting on this for what it says in it-- I am voting Yes on 19, because of the "Foot in the Door" aspect of it-- I don't think Cannabis Laws will EVER get liberal enough for what I Believe in...that is simply the Reality of it--
But I do think that this Prop has the potential to start the Public Pivot towards True, Unconstrained Legalization...however I (unfortunately) think that may never happen--
bromhexine
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i dont think your child is your property. they're your responsibility though you have a responsibilty to allow their brains to grow properly and prevent them from ingesting any harmful substance. pot may not be harmful to an adult brain (although how much do we ever really know?) but its been proven to screw with a developping brain. The problem with people who are on any drug is they feel its harmless its so easy to share with people or get them doing it too when you're on it yourself. but if you stop doing the drug for a while you'll realize how crazy it was to think it is okay for a child to inhale your fumes. stop being selfish go outside to smoke and make sure you'll be a reasonable parent when high hell i know i'm not.. i was high and i walked by a wall and scratched my baby's hand on the wall and she started crying that wouldnt have happened if i hadnt smoked. i know plenty of hardcore smokers who think they're perfectly in control when stoned but if you watch them you'll see they're just as off.
ion
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votes? we dont need no stinkin votes!!
votes? we dont need no stinkin votes!!
vote yes or no on prop 19? if the vote goes yes, it gets "legalized" in the stae of Cali......do you honestly think it'll stick? if it goes yes next month it'll be obama-ized...or whatever...by the end of the year.
unless TPTB are looking at those tax dollars and the whole concept of legalization fits in their plans, but i dont think so. if it gets legal, the law wont stick more than six months i say....it just aint "time" yet.
now, the other hand; the bottom line, in my view; once this plant of all plants is legalized, monsanto/ADM/bayer/cargill will start spewing out their fuckin GMO seeds. ......B.S. right? the greatest cash crop on the planet with the greatest potential of altering fuel/textile markets also.....thatsa can of worms that needs to be buried inj a deep, dark hole. in the current paradigm we live in, cannabis needs to stay illegal as hell. yes, we pay the price constantly for it's prohibition, but i'll gladly dance with that devil beofre i'd entertain the thought of the ultimate devil(us.gov)having "legal" access to commoditize/marketize/productize/fuckifize the plant cannabis. if it goes legal, everything changes in many ways we do not forsee. just spekul8tin....
votes? we dont need no stinkin votes!!
vote yes or no on prop 19? if the vote goes yes, it gets "legalized" in the stae of Cali......do you honestly think it'll stick? if it goes yes next month it'll be obama-ized...or whatever...by the end of the year.
unless TPTB are looking at those tax dollars and the whole concept of legalization fits in their plans, but i dont think so. if it gets legal, the law wont stick more than six months i say....it just aint "time" yet.
now, the other hand; the bottom line, in my view; once this plant of all plants is legalized, monsanto/ADM/bayer/cargill will start spewing out their fuckin GMO seeds. ......B.S. right? the greatest cash crop on the planet with the greatest potential of altering fuel/textile markets also.....thatsa can of worms that needs to be buried inj a deep, dark hole. in the current paradigm we live in, cannabis needs to stay illegal as hell. yes, we pay the price constantly for it's prohibition, but i'll gladly dance with that devil beofre i'd entertain the thought of the ultimate devil(us.gov)having "legal" access to commoditize/marketize/productize/fuckifize the plant cannabis. if it goes legal, everything changes in many ways we do not forsee. just spekul8tin....
I have never seen a piece of literature that suggests that alcohol in moderation at a young age, say a glass of wine at dinner from age 12 on is detrimental and we haven't even gotten to the testing time for mj. What I am saying is that we are the people and the government exists to serve as our protectors and it is us who have let them do all these things to us that we don't agree with. It is when we accept mediocrity out of our leaders that our government becomes mediocre.
bromhexine
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what makes you think the seeds arent being genetically modified now? its all underground they can do anything at this point atleast regulated you have more of an eye on things and you always have your choice to buy from the people who grow it organically or with chemicals etc. anyone who wants this prop to fail is making money off it being illegal and we need to vote against the dealers so the people have freedom to produce their own without worry of prison. this is a giant world we live in there is no way big government is going to gmo every strain there is and somehow delete all the ones that havent been modified. for all we know the modifications have been going on for years i dont know wbout you but id rather buy my pot from the government than some shithead down the street spraying fiberglass or who knows what else on the stuff. above board and registered is the best way to atleast know what you're getting sure some will have bad stuff in it but you wont be ingesting it without reading it on the ingredients label first.
I havent read this thread yet, and Ive been avoiding it for a while. I have a lot to say.
I will say that I dont live in a med state. I have a decent understanding of some parts of the game between reading on here all day and friends that moved/lived/live out west. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING COULD USE SOME POLISHING.
Now, this is what I have to say;
those afraid of corporate take over- bull shit. Most of the "BIGTIME" growers operate just below the corp mentality anyway. Greed, shitty growing conditions, overpriced nonsense, etc. A couple of goozzle neck white guys may give some of you shitty commercial growers a reality check.
Those afraid of 'diversity' - bull shit. most growers are growing a hybrid of the same ol' same diesel this and kush that... NL. C99... not many of these ppl ALSO are running OTH, OHSK1, or anything longer than 10+ weeks. Thats not to say that you arnt out there but MOST are not really divers in reality.
5x5 space- This is not bad. For someone who lives where I live we "dream" of a 5x5 space. I mean a stealth cab can only do so much. YOU CAN DO ALOT WITH 5x5, ask THUNDURKLE lol. he went from a HDmicro sog to DR80. Give me a 5x5 space and Ill show you how to have a dope garden AND diversity. I say this with the most humble tone as I am only ME.
there are some imperfections, but still we have to mover forward. If we can get this passed then we can tweek the details later. Then maybe we can get more and more states ready for some real solutions to bullshit problems. (ruining good ppl for seeds in the ashtray where I live)
that is all for now. Im sure Ill be back in a few days.
I will say that I dont live in a med state. I have a decent understanding of some parts of the game between reading on here all day and friends that moved/lived/live out west. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING COULD USE SOME POLISHING.
Now, this is what I have to say;
those afraid of corporate take over- bull shit. Most of the "BIGTIME" growers operate just below the corp mentality anyway. Greed, shitty growing conditions, overpriced nonsense, etc. A couple of goozzle neck white guys may give some of you shitty commercial growers a reality check.
Those afraid of 'diversity' - bull shit. most growers are growing a hybrid of the same ol' same diesel this and kush that... NL. C99... not many of these ppl ALSO are running OTH, OHSK1, or anything longer than 10+ weeks. Thats not to say that you arnt out there but MOST are not really divers in reality.
5x5 space- This is not bad. For someone who lives where I live we "dream" of a 5x5 space. I mean a stealth cab can only do so much. YOU CAN DO ALOT WITH 5x5, ask THUNDURKLE lol. he went from a HDmicro sog to DR80. Give me a 5x5 space and Ill show you how to have a dope garden AND diversity. I say this with the most humble tone as I am only ME.
there are some imperfections, but still we have to mover forward. If we can get this passed then we can tweek the details later. Then maybe we can get more and more states ready for some real solutions to bullshit problems. (ruining good ppl for seeds in the ashtray where I live)
that is all for now. Im sure Ill be back in a few days.
C
Chamba
Or there will be stories on the news about parents being arrested because they smoked pot in the same structure as their children.
any parent who blows joints or tobacco cigarettes in the same room as their kids are bad parents......anyway, the proposed law states "place" not structure, which is vastly different.
once again, if this passes, demand for bud will be so high that cash croppers will make a killing in the first 12~18 months...so will head shops, seed sellers etc
any parent who blows joints or tobacco cigarettes in the same room as their kids are bad parents......anyway, the proposed law states "place" not structure, which is vastly different.
once again, if this passes, demand for bud will be so high that cash croppers will make a killing in the first 12~18 months...so will head shops, seed sellers etc
C
Chamba
25 square feet!
I wonder if this can be interpreted as 25 sq ft of floor space (not the spread of the actual foliage?...if so, can you imagine the size of the scrog canopies that they will be growing in Cali next month! lol
I wonder if this can be interpreted as 25 sq ft of floor space (not the spread of the actual foliage?...if so, can you imagine the size of the scrog canopies that they will be growing in Cali next month! lol
C
Chamba
and all those who are voting NO because it isn't total decriminalization are underestimating the importance of this proposal and it's potential snowballing effect.....if 19 passes it will be the beginning of the end of the world wide war on cannabis.....if 19 is passed, total decriminalization will naturally follow.
instead of worrying about details, plan ahead, now is the time to work legally with the plant you love whether it will be a clone and seed shop. a coffee shop, farm etc
instead of worrying about details, plan ahead, now is the time to work legally with the plant you love whether it will be a clone and seed shop. a coffee shop, farm etc
C
Chamba
California!
and of course how appropriate and natural that Cali has the right to be e first state......most people not from California at one time or another have made fun of that state, but the fact remains that this where a majority of new trends first happen, whether it's firsts in technology, new popular culture trends, tv & film or laws like prop 19
and of course how appropriate and natural that Cali has the right to be e first state......most people not from California at one time or another have made fun of that state, but the fact remains that this where a majority of new trends first happen, whether it's firsts in technology, new popular culture trends, tv & film or laws like prop 19
Johnny Rotten
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Just by looking at the poll numbers, I can see most Californians aren't seeing the big picture. Some my be Idealists, others may be like the record industry who is watching their world change around them and are failing to adapt. They need to take a step back and reevaluate their strategy because the world is evolving at an ever increasing rate.
This bill, if passed, will most likely end up in the scotus and hopefully end with the rescheduling of cannabis.
The whole world (YES, THE F'N WORLD) is watching to see what happens as this could signal a global shift in cannabis regulation. Many countries are sick of fighting a useless war on its citizens and are sick of having their arms twisted by the IMF/World Bank and the U.N/U.S.
Do the right thing and vote YES....even if you think the bill sucks. This bill isn't set in stone and can be changed at a later date. What can't be changed is the damage to our cause that will happen if it fails. Think about that and think about all the families being broken up and all the upstanding citizens being thrown in jail all over the world because of the prohibition of the amazing plant.
That blood is on your hands if you vote against this bill. Stay the fuck home if you don't want it to pass. Just don't vote against it.
This bill, if passed, will most likely end up in the scotus and hopefully end with the rescheduling of cannabis.
The whole world (YES, THE F'N WORLD) is watching to see what happens as this could signal a global shift in cannabis regulation. Many countries are sick of fighting a useless war on its citizens and are sick of having their arms twisted by the IMF/World Bank and the U.N/U.S.
Do the right thing and vote YES....even if you think the bill sucks. This bill isn't set in stone and can be changed at a later date. What can't be changed is the damage to our cause that will happen if it fails. Think about that and think about all the families being broken up and all the upstanding citizens being thrown in jail all over the world because of the prohibition of the amazing plant.
That blood is on your hands if you vote against this bill. Stay the fuck home if you don't want it to pass. Just don't vote against it.
Valid point...but it is not the duty of this Prop to change all that--
Child issues are way crazy these days...but it goes a lot further than what Legalizing Cannabis can change-- We're just trying to do that now...not trying to change every fucked up Law, or not vote for this because it doesn't--
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