Floramite and spinosad.....how many days apart?

[burny downz]

In my two prong attack on thrips and mites I was wondering what the delay should be between the application of the two....yesterday i sprayed the floramite to target spider mites and I would like to hit the thrips next. I was guessing to wait a week but if I could do the spinosad sooner I would gladly do so...any advice? thanks BD.

 

[BPJR]

I am not so sure on the thrips but as far as mites it is somewhat dependent on conditions. Humidity and temp will effect the life cycle. That said I would think somewhere in the 4-6 day range would be most effective.

cheers,
b

 

[burny downz]

so nevermind the pests but is a 2 prong floramite/spinosad application gonna be detrimental to living things within a week?

 

[GanjaPharma]

i use spinosad in my flowering rooms mainly as a preventative (as well as Bt) but if you are in veg or early flowering (i hope u are w floramite) then may i suggest imidacloprid if the thrips are bad (great for aphids, and gnats too).
the answer to your ? btw is NO probem at all mixing spinosad drench/treatment w floramite spraying. you could do it at the same time with no effect. spinosad is a really cool but harmless bacteria, you prolly cant screw it up at all even at 2 or 3 times recommended dosage.

if you wanted to do a foliar spray of the spinosad then wait 3 days after spraying floramite, by then, it well into the plants tissues.

 

[MHHSP]

You guys should NOT be using those as preventatives. Use them at the first sign of a problem, your only helping create resistant pests, sinosad is starting to be extremely widely used... only a matter of time before it starts to become infective, which is sad cause its organic and works wonderful on thrips... once you have them! Just like anti-biotics in our own bodies.
A good preventative is keeping health vibrant plants! Fuck spray SM-90 or something.

 

[MHHSP]

i use spinosad in my flowering rooms mainly as a preventative (as well as Bt) but if you are in veg or early flowering (i hope u are w floramite) then may i suggest imidacloprid if the thrips are bad (great for aphids, and gnats too).
the answer to your ? btw is NO probem at all mixing spinosad drench/treatment w floramite spraying. you could do it at the same time with no effect. spinosad is a really cool but harmless bacteria, you prolly cant screw it up at all even at 2 or 3 times recommended dosage.

if you wanted to do a foliar spray of the spinosad then wait 3 days after spraying floramite, by then, it well into the plants tissues.

and imidacloprid?? aka "marathon" NO not in something you ingest never! That is a systemic insecticide listed for ornamentals that can stay in plant tissues up to 3 months, so if your not just looking at the pretty dope plants do NOT use this.

 

[burny downz]

my issues aren't for preventative measures, I am waging WAR on these pests and I will not fail. With that being said, I plan on hitting the plants with the spinosad 3 days after the floramite drenching....muahhhahahahahahahahahahahaha.........

 

[compost]

Burny I use a spray that has spinosad, potassium salts, and neem(in the same bottle.) When I spray I add all three Organic poisons to my leafs and I put a layer on the top of the soil to water in. I also Top dress a loose layer(don't want it to thick to slow air flow) of DE, which is also mixxed into my soil. I mix a dunk into my soil as well as some sprinkled as a top dressing.

When I mix my soil for the next run I put some imidacloprid(bayer tree and shrub) in also. I then water my veg plants with imid about 6 weeks before I will move them to flowering(2 or 3 hits with it.)

My plants are right next to the outdoors in the country. I don't have the luxury of waiting till I see bugs. There is constantly bugs trying to overtake the room. Without a ton of preventative measures I would be done. Right now is the worst with fall coming on the bugs look for that warm area to go lay there eggs. Soon ille add beneficial insects to the mix.

mhhsp makes a VERY valid point though. IF you are in a situation where you have more control of the environment around your grow then over ussage can be a bad thing. Just look at the overuse of antibotics in american medical.

 

[Aksala]

Spinosad is amazing on thrips.....AMAZING!!!

 

[jdkronyk101]

my issues aren't for preventative measures, I am waging WAR on these pests and I will not fail. With that being said, I plan on hitting the plants with the spinosad 3 days after the floramite drenching....muahhhahahahahahahahahahahaha.........

bt is a fungus that infects their bodies in their larval stage.it infects the soft tissues that are in the joints between their head and thorax, eventually severing their little spines and killing them before they can rise out of your medium.
imagine getting repeatedly sprayed from above with a concentrated form of athletes foot. eventually covering your whole body concentrating on your natural folds and joints. unless you can clean yourself and sterilize you will get eaten alive.period
also for the thrips. since they breed in the top three inches of your medium ,so follow up with some mosquito dunks (bt)in your res water, gnatroll (bt)in the h20, or even scratch in a layer of diotomacious earth about a quarter inch thich (wear a mask,and also the cheapest). do one or all of these about a week apart.
the sm-90 above is an o.k. product, it came thru the market as spider mite 90 about ten years ago. i sold hundreds of gallons upon gallons of that stuff to people.unfortunately its alot like neem oil. it works great as a preventitive, o.k. if you have a small problem, and terrible if you have a large infestation.

heres some info on the spinosad product:
Spinosad (spinosyn A and spinosyn D) are a new chemical class of insecticides that are registered by the United States Environmental Protection Agency‎ (EPA) to control a variety of insects. The active ingredient is derived from a naturally occurring soil dwelling bacterium called Saccharopolyspora spinosa, a rare actinomycete reportedly collected from soil in an abandoned rum distillery on a Caribbean Island in 1982 by a scientist on vacation[1] . It has not been found in nature since that time, and was subsequently described as a new species. The bacteria produce compounds (metabolites) while in a fermentation broth. The first fermentation-derived compound was formulated in 1988. Spinosad has since been formulated into insecticides that combine the efficacy of a synthetic insecticide with the benefits of a biological pest control organism.


Spinosad kills susceptible species by causing rapid excitation of the insect nervous system. Due to this unique mode of action, Spinosad is valued in resistance management programs. Spinosad must be ingested by the insect, therefore it has little effect on non-target predatory insects. It is highly effective used as an oral anti-flea medication for dogs, and apparently has the potential for killing any blood-sucking insect.
Spinosad is relatively fast acting. The insect dies within 1 to 2 days after ingesting the active ingredient. There appears to be 100% mortality.
[edit]Use

It is used to control a variety of insect pests, including fruit flies, caterpillars, leafminers, thrips, sawflies, spider mites, fire ants, and leaf beetle larvae. Spinosad is recommended for use in an Integrated Pest Management program for commercial greenhouses since it will not harm most beneficial insects or predatory mites. Spinosad does not significantly affect beneficial organisms including ladybugs, green lacewings, minute pirate bugs, and predatory mites.


in support/response to mhhsp above quote on resistance:
regardless of what your preference is to miticides and insecticides , be them natural bacterium or chemical based. it is proven that its best to rotate between products so that the bugs you are after cannot build a resistance.
for instance a serious mite infestation:
1st week apply pyrethrum spray twice three days apart,
2nd week apply floramite twice three days apart,
3rd week switch to flower(12/12) and apply safer(brand) products or neem based,sm-90,or natural alternatives once a week until there are no more bugs. never spray anything after your flowers form if possible.

thrip infestation:
1st week apply spinosad twice 3 days apart and scratch in d.e.
2nd week mosquito dunks or gnatroll and d.e scratch in.
3rd week switch to flower and apply safer brand pyrethrum and more dunks/gnatroll or even sm-90
4th week de scratch in (by now the thrips should be under controll) if there are a few remaining spray the spinosad again carefull not to spray anything after flowers form.

this is not the ultimate recipe. just an example of how to use and rotate a pest management system,using both natural and unnatural products in a form least harmful to the end user. never spray anything pest related on your flowers period.
also dont just use this in your flower room, sterilize your mother room as well, if you keep your moms and cuts sterile youll have to do way less to keep em clean in flower.
hope that helps

jdkronyk