CA LEO Vows to Disregard Law and Will of Voters

[Frozenguy]

Wow I didn't realize this was a Sheriff. I would expect more from the Sheriff than the other LEA's. Disgusting behavior for a Sheriff and I hope other Sheriffs put him in his place.

And did you know the Scientologists run rehab centers in CA? Where do you think they get the majority of their referrals from? Hint: very few cannabis users admit themselves. Those of you that guessed from the criminal justice system are absolutely correct. Now do you see why Baca doesn't want Prop 19 to pass? Can you say, "vested interest in prohibition"?

So sick.. I'm still on the fence about 19, but if it passes it better be enforced (allowed). Pisses me off that a State Sheriff would go with the feds on a State law issue per the 10th amendment. But as you pointed out, he probably has some third party reasons/incentives to do what he is doing.

 

[igrowone]

when you blatantly arrest someone for a non-existent crime, isn't that termed false arrest?
not really clear, but if memory serves, a police department(i.e. county/municipality) can be sued for false arrest
i wouldn't think this tactic would go too far

 

[Frozenguy]

when you blatantly arrest someone for a non-existent crime, isn't that termed false arrest?<br>
not really clear, but if memory serves, a police department(i.e. county/municipality) can be sued for false arrest<br>
i wouldn't think this tactic would go too far

True, but when you have the federal government saying its a crime, technically the feds can still bust you. They wont be charging you with state crime because there wont be one (well, you know what I mean, as long as you follow prop19). There will still be a federal crime (even though I and many others think its completely unconstitutional) and the feds can prosecute you and apparently this Sheriff will arrest you and refer you to the feds for prosecution. Much like they do with some large cases today.

 

[igrowone]

True, but when you have the federal government saying its a crime, technically the feds can still bust you. They wont be charging you with state crime because there wont be one (well, you know what I mean, as long as you follow prop19). There will still be a federal crime (even though I and many others think its completely unconstitutional) and the feds can prosecute you and apparently this Sheriff will arrest you and refer you to the feds for prosecution. Much like they do with some large cases today.

this does get interesting since the federal government has filed suit against arizona to not enforce federal immigration laws on their own
the collision of state and federal law will be a gift that just keeps on giving

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

How's that Hope and Change working out for ya'?

Yeah, McCain totally would have supported mj & mmj....

 

[HippyJohnny]

Thank God for checks and balances... things could get out of hand without them.
You get the picture.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

True, but when you have the federal government saying its a crime, technically the feds can still bust you. They wont be charging you with state crime because there wont be one (well, you know what I mean, as long as you follow prop19). There will still be a federal crime (even though I and many others think its completely unconstitutional) and the feds can prosecute you and apparently this Sheriff will arrest you and refer you to the feds for prosecution. Much like they do with some large cases today.

can you smell that bubbles? it's the shit winds. the shit barometer is dropping, there's a shit storm coming. a leval 5 shiticane. lol

 

[Tony Aroma]

when you blatantly arrest someone for a non-existent crime, isn't that termed false arrest?
not really clear, but if memory serves, a police department(i.e. county/municipality) can be sued for false arrest
i wouldn't think this tactic would go too far

I think what would happen is local LEO would just make the arrest. Then they'd turn them over to the feds to file charges. I wouldn't be surprised if CA DEA offices ended up with long lines of local cops taking a number to hand off their prisoners for booking. The DEA probably wouldn't even have to leave their comfy offices anymore.

On the bright side, I read about a piece of legislation that is being prepared that would take effect if Prop 19 passes. It fills in a lot of the details missing in the proposition, and one important thing it would do is prohibit CA LEO from aiding or working with the feds to enforce federal laws. Don't remember where I read about that.

HZ: That's what happens when you try to climb a shit rope.

 

[igrowone]

I think what would happen is local LEO would just make the arrest. Then they'd turn them over to the feds to file charges. I wouldn't be surprised if CA DEA offices ended up with long lines of local cops taking a number to hand off their prisoners for booking. The DEA probably wouldn't even have to leave their comfy offices anymore.

On the bright side, I read about a piece of legislation that is being prepared that would take effect if Prop 19 passes. It fills in a lot of the details missing in the proposition, and one important thing it would do is prohibit CA LEO from aiding or working with the feds to enforce federal laws. Don't remember where I read about that.

HZ: That's what happens when you try to climb a shit rope.

hope if 19 does pass, this follow up bill does pass too
i think we're in a very murky area with the local/state enforcing federal law
i believe the current usual practice is local LEO will bust a grow house and have a DEA guy tagging along
it it's big enough, DEA takes over on the prosecution
but if you look at what DEA considers worthwhile, 100+ plant grows, that may not change much
DEA just can't start grabbing a bunch of small fish because they can't keep up now
there could be a spurt of arrests, but they can't win the marathon that is coming

 

[In~Plain~Site]

Yeah, McCain totally would have supported mj & mmj....

Where did I say McCain?

As if you think you have that now with these clowns?

Talk about sheeple.

Enjoy your ambiguity.



:doublefacepalm:

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Where did I say McCain?

McCain

Boom.

Busted.

 

[CrumpleZone]

This is the real fucking Tea Party!

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Baggers...

:triplefacepalm:

 

[Nor'Easter]

Yes Holder and Baca and McCain and Tea Partiers are pieces of shit or sheeple or whatever name fits... the right wing chest thumping from those who think Obama is the antichrist is ridiculous, when it is those you support who screwed up the country and now you are trying to blame someone else for not cleaning up their mess quickly enough or something... ok...who are the sheeple now? Obama is far from perfect, but the right wing is a step in the wrong direction, backwards.
this is not a political thread and yet it is becoming one. Let's get back to the subject, I think it is all bluster and won't be enforecable even it isn't, what do you think?

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I think it's going to be a shitstorm of politics and legal BS... but we won't talk about it here.

 

[Hammerhead]

Its never about what we want. We are about to see how much our votes really matter and when everyone See's that they dont care what we vote in as law maybe there eyes will open. I cant wait to see what happens.

 

[kmk420kali]

Where did I say McCain?

There were 2 choices, McCain or Obama--
As bad as he is, Obama was the better choice-- (IMO)

 

[In~Plain~Site]

Boom.

Busted.

Could you be anymore obtuse?

Yes Holder and Baca and McCain and Tea Partiers are pieces of shit or sheeple or whatever name fits... the right wing chest thumping from those who think Obama is the antichrist is ridiculous, when it is those you support who screwed up the country and now you are trying to blame someone else for not cleaning up their mess quickly enough or something... ok...who are the sheeple now? Obama is far from perfect, but the right wing is a step in the wrong direction, backwards.
this is not a political thread and yet it is becoming one. Let's get back to the subject, I think it is all bluster and won't be enforecable even it isn't, what do you think?

I think you made it into more of a political thread with your extremist view of the world.

Not suprising.

We want CHANGE, remember?

Its never about what we want. We are about to see how much our votes really matter and when everyone See's that they dont care what we vote in as law maybe there eyes will open. I cant wait to see what happens.

And therein lies the rub, fly in the ointment? We shall see.

 

[In~Plain~Site]

There were 2 choices, McCain or Obama--
As bad as he is, Obama was the better choice-- (IMO)

Neither was a good choice, one is too far left with no experience, the other right with too much.

Doesn't sound like much of a 'choice' at all.

Ron Paul

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Could you be anymore obtuse?

Irony at its finest.

I was pointing out that you can't ever say what it is you want to act like you didn't say.

But while I'm at it, it does seem like you think you weren't insinuating that McCain would have triumphed otherwise.

I think kmk has put it best.

How many puppets do we get to vote for at a time?