Let's talk about Molasses.

[TRA1NWRECK]

I am currently running Citrus Sweet, Bud XL, and Earth Juice. I have been running the Sweet since veg. Just started the bud xl 2 weeks ago, and started the Earth Juice a couple days ago. I am on week 6. We will see how it goes running all 3 of these together, or if its too much.

Sweet=10ml
Bud XL = 3.8ml
Earth Juice=3ml currently, 5ml next week.

 

[Hazeo]

Hey guys!

Very nice thread and interesting opinions!!!

Nice to be here

My question concerning the molasses topic is which nutrition informations do you have on your blackstrap molasses products?
I ask because i read that "the best thing to use" is the original "blackstrap molasses". -Okay, it isn`t very hard to get that.... heheee... but i do not live in an english speaking country, and these kind of product isn`t very available here, especially not with the addition "blackstrap".
so i am not so sure which product to use...

It would be so cool if some of you could post the nutrition infos of your product here (with photo or a copy, link or something), but only if you are sure that your products` nutrition is from the blackstrap molasses AND DEFINITLY helped to improve your grow (--->so, i mean the good one`s: well known and aproofed).

If you could do this, i could compare your nutrition infos with that on the little products i found here in order to get that one that has the closest nutrition to the original blackstrap.

That would be so nice!!!

thanks so much

Hazeo

 

[blockhead411]

Just a quick sidenote, from what I've read, unsulphured is the best type of molasses to use, also, I would think that using H202 along with the molasses is going to defeat the purpose of the molasses. I was under the impression that the molasses encourages microbial effects, while h202 kills them. I would also think that if you dont use RO water, or at least let tap water sit overnight, that the chlorine would also kill off the bacterial goodies. Im not positive about this, but it seems to make sense...any ideas?

 

[TRA1NWRECK]

Are you supposed to adjust your PH before you add molasses? Ive noticed it takes more PH up and down to raise and lower once Ive added the molasses.

 

[pray4pistils]

from what I've read, unsulphured is the best type of molasses to use,

Sulfur kills microbes. So, unless you're trying to kill the very critters that the molasses feeds, it's not to be used. Blackstrap molasses has the most nutrients in it but any unsulfured molasses is usable. I wouldn't add this stuff in a sterile chem-based grow -only for organics. That's because it (like most organic nutrients) can't be absorbed directly by the roots. Microbes must first break it down into ionic form.

also, I would think that using H202 along with the molasses is going to defeat the purpose of the molasses. I was under the impression that the molasses encourages microbial effects, while h202 kills them.

You are correct on both counts. H2O2 is used regularly in chemical salt growing to sterilize the root zone and reservoir. It kills everything but the plant itself and is incompatible with organic growing.

I would also think that if you dont use RO water, or at least let tap water sit overnight, that the chlorine would also kill off the bacterial goodies. Im not positive about this, but it seems to make sense...any ideas?

Chlorine is added to the water supply to kill microbes. It has to be removed from irrigation water in an organic grow but is fine in a sterile/salts-based feeding regimen. Chlorine can be removed by letting water sit for 24 hours or so or by bubbling it with an air pump and stone for an hour or two.

Are you supposed to adjust your PH before you add molasses? Ive noticed it takes more PH up and down to raise and lower once Ive added the molasses.

The plants don't care what the pH was before you added the molasses or any other substance. Their absorption of nutrients is tied to the pH *now*. So, I'd recommend setting pH as the final step.

 

[*mistress*]

h202 may not eliminate all microbes. not all nematodes, amoebae, mycorrhyzae, etc, etc... there are lots different types of microbes. difficult to eliminate all from any environment, espcially when water present...

 

[Snagglepuss]

I went out on a mollassas hunt today,from the organic food mart.They had 3 types Plantation,Wholesome sweeteners ,and Tree of Life...I went with the tree of life it looks to have the highest amount of minerals .Heres what the bottle reads

potassium 500 mg
Calcium 15%
Iron 20%
MAgnesium 10%

Im sure the plants will be happy with this

 

[rastaidd]

this is s thread of the important of black molasses..
this is the original thread by:gramsci.antonio
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=80377
i have only translate because it's a very interesting thread for me!
tnx to gramsci antonio!


What is black molasses?

One thing that ALL grower should have.

No, really, what is the black molasses?

Sugar cane molasses is not working. The black molasses is the finest quality. Personally I do not even stand the smell, but the plants seem to adore.

What is black molasses?

The black molasses, chemically speaking, is a source of complex carbohydrates, calcium, iron, magnesium and a pinch of potassium. All natural 100% organic.

What is black molasses?

Molasses is a product that stimulates the activity microbologica nell'intorno roots, and significantly improves the taste buds, making it more tasty and fruity.
Also, unlike other organic products as guano or ox blood, does not alter the taste of the peaks but simply intensifies the flavor and sweetness.


What is black molasses?


STOPPP! CHANGE asks forgiveness!

-Who should use molasses?

ALL!

Who uses the soil organic all'areoponica from coconut all'idroponica. Without worrying about stopping anything, if used correctly.

-How do you use?

Very simple. Take a hot water bottle and pour the desired amount of molasses. Shake vigorously to dissolve any remaining solid again and then mixed with normal nutrient solution.

"But there is no alternative to houses made of nutrients?

Yes, there are several: CarboLoad, Sweet, Taste-enchanter, .... Several homes.

- And why the molasses is better?

For several reasons:

- My molasses expires in two years. Fertilizers on the expiry date even there. You can imagine how many preservatives.

- Molasses, being intended for human food consumption, is subjected to much more stringent monitoring.

- Molasses is a source of carbohydrates much for our noble and succulent plants.

- I pay 4.50 euros a kilo of molasses. It takes me several crop.

- Then the molasses superseding the commercial alternatives?

Not only. The best well

 

[staff11]

Brer Rabbit Blackstrap:

Per Tbsp:
240 mg Potassium
20% Calcium
25% Magnesium
25% Iron

Should note it also contains 25 mg of Sodium......

 

[pray4pistils]

h202 does not kill all microbes, not all nematodes, amoebae, mycorrhyzae, etc, etc... there are lots different types of microbes. difficult to eliminate all from any environment, espcially when water present...

Can you back that up to the extent that your claim refutes my point, Mistress? At normal usage concentrations H2O2 is wickedly powerful. Drop even a dilute solution on your skin and you'll know it. -immediately. That stuff can do some serious damage to body tissues. It's like a nuclear attack on microorganisms and will wreck a working soil/food web on contact.

Of course there are microbes that live within molten sulfur or in Arctic permafrost, for instance. But, those aren't the organisms that we employ in our gardens. Do you contend otherwise? If not, then my point stands whether it's 99.9% or 100% accurate in all circumstances.

 

[*mistress*]

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[SupraSPL]

Brer Rabbit Blackstrap:

Per Tbsp:
240 mg Potassium
20% Calcium
25% Magnesium
25% Iron

Should note it also contains 25 mg of Sodium......

Good info, I'd like to find some brer blackstrap. I am using wholesome sweeteners organic blackstrap which has 730mg potassium but there are times when I want the carbs but would rather not add much NPK so the brer rabbit blackstrap looks be better for that. The brer also has more calmag 200mg calcium, 100mg magnesium and 4.5mg iron.

So if the grower uses a weak dose 1ml/liter (~1tsp/gal) of brer blackstrap that translates to:

16mg potassium (16 ppm)
13.3 mg calcium (13.3 ppm)
6.66 mg magnesium (6.66 ppm)
1.6mg sodium (1.6 ppm)
.3mg iron (.3 ppm)

So even at a strong dose 4ml/liter (1TBSP/gal) the 25mg of sodium is no big deal 1.2ppm.

At 1.3ml/liter (1TSP/gal) the NPK value would be ?-?-2 (if my calculation is correct!)

 

[JamieShoes]

In Holland its not so easy to find Molasses, but "appelstroop" is everywhere and cheaper than dirt...

anyone have any thoughts on this?

I'm going to try it on my next run on a couple and see how it goes...(I'm not expecting apple flavours btw, just looking for a molasses subsitute)


nutritional info - http://www.voedingswaardetabel.nl/voedingswaarde/voedingsmiddel/?id=614

 

[*mistress*]

Good info, I'd like to find some brer blackstrap. I am using wholesome sweeteners organic blackstrap which has 730mg potassium but there are times when I want the carbs but would rather not add much NPK so the brer rabbit blackstrap looks be better for that. The brer also has more calmag 200mg calcium, 100mg magnesium and 4.5mg iron.

So if the grower uses a weak dose 1ml/liter (~1tsp/gal) of brer blackstrap that translates to:

16mg potassium (16 ppm)
13.3 mg calcium (13.3 ppm)
6.66 mg magnesium (6.66 ppm)
1.6mg sodium (1.6 ppm)
.3mg iron (.3 ppm)

So even at a strong dose 4ml/liter (1TBSP/gal) the 25mg of sodium is no big deal 1.2ppm.

At 1.3ml/liter (1TSP/gal) the NPK value would be ?-?-2 (if my calculation is correct!)

see link in post 35, this thread, for how to calculate npk-mg-ca-s of molasses & liquid ferts, etc, etc... w/ molasses, maybe convert from daily values (human food) to get #'s... the formulas may be in thread most 'recommended daily values' are 2000-2500 food calories/day...

approximate npk molasses 1-0-5... see thred link
#18

wholesome sweeteners organic molasses
per 1 tablespoon/22 g, in 1 gallon of water/3.785 liters:

potassium: 730 mg/~20% of 3500 mg dv for k/730/3.785=192.86 ppm

calcium: 115 mg/~10% of 1000 mg dv for ca/115/3.785=30.38 ppm

magnesium: 8% of 400 mg dv for mg/.08*400=32/3.785=8.4 ppm

iron: 15% of 18 mg dv for fe/.15*18=2.7/3.785=0.71 ppm

*vitamin b6: 10% of 2.0 mg dv for vit b6/2*.1=.2/3.785=.05 ppm

*sugars: 10g

*total carbohydrates: 14g

In Holland its not so easy to find Molasses, but "appelstroop" is everywhere and cheaper than dirt...

anyone have any thoughts on this?

I'm going to try it on my next run on a couple and see how it goes...(I'm not expecting apple flavours btw, just looking for a molasses subsitute)

turbinado...

hope this help

 

[pray4pistils]

@ post #85, this thread...
"everything"?...

I already made the point that H2O2 kills enough of the microherd to inhibit uptake of nutrients in an organic grow with a functioning soil/food web. If it doesn't kill literally "everything", then it kills enough to compromise growth. Sure, there's always some organism out there that'll resist most any chemical compound. So, taken literally my use of the word "everything" was exaggerated. My stance is that H2O2 has no part in a healthy organic grow arrangement. Can you prove me wrong about this claim or not?

some off topic threds:

Those threads discuss the H2O2 controversy -mostly in a chemical salt growing scenario. Please point out the information that proves that H202 can play a net positive role in a functioning soil/food web. I say it isn't there.

 

[*mistress*]

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[pray4pistils]

It's not off the molasses topic at all. It is the same discussion. My advice is to NOT use H2O2 to sterilize a grow where microbes are needed to break down the stuff and make it available to the plant as food. With no microbial conversion, the roots sit in raw molasses. What good is that?

Also, I say that there is no need to disinfect the root zone when microbes can do that already with less personal effort and less expense. (But... we can forget that organic vs. chemical salt debate.)

 

[*mistress*]

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[Hazeo]

In Holland its not so easy to find Molasses, but "appelstroop" is everywhere and cheaper than dirt...

anyone have any thoughts on this?

I'm going to try it on my next run on a couple and see how it goes...(I'm not expecting apple flavours btw, just looking for a molasses subsitute)


nutritional info - http://www.voedingswaardetabel.nl/voedingswaarde/voedingsmiddel/?id=614

Hey!

You get rietsuikermelasse in holland for sure!
check this link to a dutch Shop mate

i have ordered just today cause i dont get it here in germany. but this dutch shop is really cheap, nice deal.


greetings to holland

Hazeo

 

[Snagglepuss]

Here's all the mollassas values ,ive collected so far in 1 page to make comparisons

Brer Rabbit Blackstrap:

Per Tbsp:
240 mg Potassium
20% Calcium
25% Magnesium
25% Iron

Tree of Life blackstrap

500mg potassium
15% Calcium
20% Iron
10% Magnesium

Grandmas...non blackstrap

110mg potassium
4% calcium
4% iron
2% magnesium

Plantation Blackstrap

730mg potassium
8% calcium
20% iron
8% magnesium
10% vitamin b6

Wholesome sweeteners blackstrap

730mg potassium
10% calcium
15% iron
8% magnesium
10% vitamin b6

Crosby's family cooking mollasses

Sodium 70mg 3%
carbohydrates/glucides 13g 4%
sugars 11g
calcium 10%
iron/fer15%
riboflavin 4%
vitamin b6 4%
magnesium 15%
copper 6%


Generic store brand sulphured

293mg potassium
4% calcium
5% iron